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Originally Posted by macskull

Originally Posted by ConFlict
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There will be some updates to this and I probably missed some people, but that is the start.

Originally Posted by PermaBanned

what did you get banned for

Originally Posted by Vertistic

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Originally Posted by Borderline Boss

thunderstrike is bugged you are cheat

Originally Posted by Daknah

Yes blind line ups
Yes stalker limit

Originally Posted by CriticalKat

So a person brand new to pvp or still fairly new to pvp should make their own organized test team? Sounds like a recipe for pvp IO farming to me. Thats like telling a chihuahua if they want some bootie they should climb up on a step ladder and attempt to screw the rotweiller.

Originally Posted by Silit

I'm sure all of us can name plenty of good stalkers, but the rules regarding stalkers had nothing to do with stalkers being good/bad, or even ASing at all for that matter.

Originally Posted by Pareto

I didn't get to see many villain matches as I was primarily playing heroes at that point. But from what I hear, yes, both of those players were also premier stalkers.

Originally Posted by Pareto

I'm pretty sure those stalkers were top notch, unlike the stalkers of this issue. People like Banzai and Zero and Vert and Modoom could actually get AS's in those matches, stalkers today just trow sharks.

Originally Posted by perilX

Basically no one can ever play a stalker again if counter-picking is in place. Using two stalkers as a means of offense allows for a lot of diversity in lineups, the CIGAL backroom team proved that. If we could counter, we would have a kin and fort in that match.

Originally Posted by Silit

It has nothing to do with delaying start times, at all. Even if the start time is completely in stone it doesn't prevent counter picking. Understanding lineups and countering is one thing. But counter picking is retarded because of one simple fact: One of two teams will always get the last picks.

I'm not a huge fan of lineup submission either, but I fail to see the problem with it, as long as someone is there to take lineups. I honestly don't care all that much either way, but I lean toward liking double blind submission, since it completely prevents post-entrance counter picking - which by the way takes no skill whatsoever, and requires little (if any) knowledge of game dynamics. "They have stalkers, bring a fort!" What an ingenious tactical move!

Originally Posted by Silit

Enforcing match start times has absolutely nothing to do with counter picking.

Originally Posted by Mirage_Mage

Double blind is imo preferable to the swapping in and out counters each match that used to go on.

Originally Posted by slickadelaphante

I honestly think the line up submission thing is really unnecessary and kind of retarded.

Originally Posted by Kayla Rae

I've PvP'd a couple times and I like zone PvPing more than arena, so I was just wondering..

what are some good Defender, Controller and Blaster Zone(SC) PvP builds?
I'm not really into melee types. And how do you think a Grav.Storm would be?
Thanks for the help, in advance.

Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten

On the subject of spliting up the top teams/having roster caps:

Why can't people seriously put in the time to get decent? Why are we advocating rules that force people that have put in the time to play with people that don't want to but still want to win?

Here's how it should go:
1. You form a team with your friends and join the PvP ladder
2. You have your first practice and lose 50 to 2
3. You sit and discuss "wtf why isn't this working?"
4. You have your second practice and lose 50 to 2
5. You sit in /tells with people who are farming you and they usually give solid advice.
6. You practice said advice
7. Your first official - you lose 20 to 4
8. you practice more
9-X You repeat until you're decent


Seriously...people need to put in the time. If you don't want to put in the time to be decent, don't expect to be. It took dUmb over a year to get to a point where we could compete (we were never top tier, but we might have gotten there had the PvP changes not happened).

The arguement of "People won't continue doing something if they keep getting their face smashed in" isn't valid in my opinion. People should be PvPing in this game because A). Its the only difficult thing to do in this game and B). The competition is good. If people don't want to put in the time to master something that is difficult - then they probably shouldn't do it.

Originally Posted by Filipino Super Hero

I'll join.

The other thread -- "Further Pvp/Ladder" -- talks mainly about the highly competitive 8v8 teams, with no team size limits, etc. That ladder is good for the established/vet pvp players. Since most of them have known each other for quite a long time, are most comfortable and play best with people/friends (and quite frankly, it is really fun to play with friends -- no drama), can have as a diverse or specialized lineup, etc. that ladder can have whatever complex/simple rules or have it done in test or freedom or what ever needs to be done for a formal, competitive 8v8 professional ladder. So maybe we can keep the 8v8 ladder discussed in that thread as a completely different ladder from this mini ladder.

Maybe this mini ladder can be used to help introduce/encourage pvp to (new to pvp) players; and keep it that way -- the mini ladder as the amateur division, completely different, more simple, autonomous from the professional division.

With this mini set-up to focus on new players, everyone new/fairly new to pvp, this could be a nice level playing field... no pressure from established/vet pvp'ers who are either in the team, or from opposing team. People wont be facing off against those who have been playing for several years, are heavily proc'd and pvp iod to the gills, know how to max builds in mids, etc. Likewise, there wont be any of these established pvp'ers in the team who would likely be chosen to play every game, simply because they are the best players in the team; with this, everyone gets a chance to play and not feel being left out.

Things can start off very clumsy, with the new players not knowing what even a "lock" or "evade" is, calling targets, heck maybe even its their first time to know what "vent" is, but eventually the team(mates) learns by themselves. Things can be competitive as this mini ladder goes through the latter stages, and maybe these team will self-impose stuff to get better. Eventually, they'll get to know arena chat, channels etc, learn about making optimal builds in mids, and learn to take advice from the pvp pros from the other (8v8) ladders, but are stil able to play in a league of their peers, in a fair gaming field.

This also takes care of complaints from the established/pro/vet pvp'ers about being stuck with newbies, not being able to team with their long time friends, not wanting to teach (lets face it -- most people pvp to play, not teach) new players since they would be in the competitive 8v8 ladder and not in the mini ladder.

The mini ladder may not be perfect for new players, but its one good way to have a level playing field, as mini steps towards being (later) better in pvp, without much pressure being with and playing against establised pvp'ers and especially established pvp groups/teams.

Originally Posted by Borderline Boss

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Originally Posted by Rodger_Power

I'm in.