boppaholic

Originally Posted by Smersh

Scorch - GFS - Scorch - Incinerate is better damage.

Originally Posted by Acehilator

Yeah, Gloom is awesome, but builds without would be nice. Currently I am looking for a /Fire/Pyre Chain. Wondering if "perma" Incinerate DoT would be worth it.

Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect

I didn't have any particular chain in mind, I was just commenting on the fact that every chain you had posted so far included Gloom.

Edit:

Actually, now that I think about it, I WAS curious about something.

Could you calculate the average DPS of Shadow Punch, slotted with 2 level 50 Acc/Dam/Rech IOs, 1 Dam/Rech and Cloud Senses: Chance for NE Damage, Touch of Death Chance: for NE Damage, and Hecatomb: Chance for NE Damage?

I had an idea I wanted to try out. Remember that Shadow Punch will be keeping a permanent 20% -Res debuff on my opponent. I was considering slotting Reactive Interface 50% -res/50% Chance for DoT.

I was curious as to whether it would be possible to AFK solo an AV by putting Shadow Punch on autofire. To that end I may slot the -regen Interface instead. The tank in question is a Shield/DM, so he'll be getting a 15% damage boost from AAO as well. Was shooting for at least a tier 3 Spiritual Alpha to round it all out.

Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar

The bolded portion is incorrect. The proc fires at a rate stated by the specific Interface power. The math you're repeating is correct, but assumes the 75% chance to proc on attack, or Radial T4, to get 50.1 damage per attack. Note that the chance for each additional tick to occur after the first does not change and is always 75%, so the math is much cleaner looking when you also have a 75% chance to fire the proc per attack.

The average damage per proc is actually 13.36 + 13.36*(4)*(0.75) = 53.44 (which is trivially different but still worth noting). I also fixed the wording of my first post to reflect the difference.

This is very easy to prove if you happen to have an Interface with a DoT proc slotted. Hit something with single target attacks and watch for the initial Interface proc. You will, over time, see that it does not fire every time you attack.

Originally Posted by Angelic_EU

At the moment I have a soft-capped everything except psi/toxic/M/R/A scrapper build which I copied out from the scrapper forum. I was using it as a template to get a more all-rounded soft-capped /Inv but to no avail. I know there bound to be some lacking in the psi area but does anyone have a nearly all soft-capped build that I use as a reference?

I have heard that it can be done. I just need some guildence. Any primary will do for now.


Many thanks!

Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar

The DoT averages something to the effect of 50 damage per proc.

The damage resistance debuff caps at -10% with 4 stacks, and the stacks last 8 seconds. Subsequent procs do not refresh the whole stack, each application has its own timer and procs after 4 appear to replace the one with the least duration remaining.

Originally Posted by Infini

My Elec/Ma runs (after bruising is applied) EC>TK>SK>CAK>CS. This only because last time I played her, the damage buff from EC wasn't kicking in for a few seconds after the attack landed. It would kick in right after TK>SK.

Originally Posted by A_duck

It should be close. TK and SP have the same activation, recharge and damage, and Storm Kick is actually ahead of Smite because it activates a bit faster. A seamless chain for Martial Arts is 4.488 seconds as compared to 4.62 for Dark Melee.

Originally Posted by Infini

I'm curious what folks will come up with for Ice Melee. I'm not too good with the DPS calculations, but I'm running IS>FT>IS>Gloom on my Icer.

Originally Posted by Jibikao

Guys, I think this discussion should include Beam Rifle! My Beamer is lvl 24 now and I swear his ST attack is so high.

How do you calculate -regen effect to show its "DPS" number, assuming the less the target heals back, the more "dps" you have?

I really think Beam rifle's ST can beat Fire Blast if we include Beam's -regen effects.

Originally Posted by boppaholic

I think people are looking at the resilient boost incorrectly when determining its % improvement over cardiac. Now, I will still agree that Cardiac's 45% end rdx is tops typically. But there is one scenario that I can think of where someone would (and probably should) take the Resilient boost. That would be for an electric armor tank. Electric armor already has energize (59.6% end rdx which can be made perma), and power sink. So for an Electric armor tank, they would take cardiac for just the resistance boost (and not much else). So let's say I have an Electric armor tanker and I four slot each resistance power (primaries and tough) and fill it with the reactive armor IO set for max res. I would have resistances looking like this (before any IO bonuses):

No alpha (slotted with 4 reactive armor IOs in each resistance power)
S/L: 78.3%
E : 90%
N : 47%
F/C: 54.8%
Psi : 54.8%
T : 0%

w/ Cardiac T4 Core
S/L: 85.5%%
E : 90%
N : 51.3%
F/C: 59.8%
Psi : 59.8%
T : 0%

w/ Resilient T4 Core (I'm using 27% for resistance buff, but not sure if that's exact)
S/L: 87.96%
E : 90%
N : 52.776%
F/C: 61.572%
Psi : 61.572%
T : 0%

Now looking at this, sure, Resilient gave you approx. 2% more resistance than Cardiac (5-9% more resistance than no alpha at all). But resistance works just like defense, it's improvements grow exponentially as you get closer and closer to the resist cap. For instance, let's look at the damage you would be taking for each hit with these current numbers:


Damage with no alpha
S/L: 21.7%
E : 10%
N : 53%
F/C: 45.2%
Psi : 45.2%
T : 100%

Damage with Cardiac T4 Core
S/L: 14.5%
E : 10%
N : 48.7%
F/C: 40.2%
Psi : 40.2%
T : 100%

Damage with Resilient T4 Core
S/L: 12.04%
E : 10%
N : 47.224%
F/C: 38.428%
Psi : 38.428%
T : 100%

So, for an electric armor tank (with the aforementioned IO slotting) would look at Cardiac and Resistance T4s and see that they provide the following damage improvements over their current situation:

Formula used for these calculations
(Current - New)/Current * 100% = % Less Damage taken than Current by switching to New

How much less damage taken if using Cardiac T4 Core
S/L: 33.18% Less damage
E : Same damage
N : 8.113% Less damage
F/C: 11.06% Less damage
Psi : 11.06% Less damage
T : Same damage

How much less damage taken if using Resilient T4 Core
S/L: 44.52% Less damage
E : Same
N : 10.90% Less damage
F/C: 14.98% Less damage
Psi : 14.98% Less damage
T : Same

From straight subtraction, you could see that S/L takes ~11.3% less damage using Resilient than with using Cardiac. Negative takes ~2.7% less damage, and F/C/Psi takes ~3.9% less damage.

If this same tanker already has Cardiac but is considering going with Resilient, the % less damage they would expect to take would be:

How much less damage taken if switching from Cardiac to Resilient
S/L: 16.97% Less damage
E : Same
N : 3.031% Less damage
F/C: 4.408% Less damage
Psi : 4.408% Less damage
T : Same

So there you have it, as you get closer to the cap (without reaching it) the far drastic of an improvement can be seen. There wasn't much improvement between the Cardiac and Resilient Core T4s for N/F/C/Psi, but S/L was a huge improvement. To put that in perspective, for every 6 attacks that would have hit you, the damage taken would have been the equivalent of about 5.

So yes, I think there is a scenario where one would take the resilient alpha, however it's the only scenario I can think of. If you have a character that has no endurance issues before selecting an alpha and the character is wanting to be able to absorb more damage (blappers, offenders, etc), they may want to look at resilient closely. But likely, they will find something better elsewhere.

On a side note (continuing with this same electric armor tanker)...
This tanker could see even more improvements by slotting for IO bonuses (and global procs) that will improve the resistances of F/C/N/Psi (the resistances that were decent but didn't quite pull away from cardiac in comparison with resilient). By continuing to improve this tank's resistances, the % improvements will exponentially increase while approaching cap. Here are a list of IO sets that can provide you with these resistances that can be easily obtained by the tanker for use.


F/C:
Almost any purple IO set (Would improve recharge too)
Doctored Wounds (Healing, useful in energize and has a recharge bonus)
Multi-Strike (PBAoE)
Positron's Blast (TAoE, useful if taken from an Epic pool)
Red Fortune (Defense, also has recharge and defense bonuses)
Gift of the Ancients (Fire res only) (Defense)

Psi:
Crushing Impact (Melee, also has recharge bonus)
Doctored Wounds (Healing, useful in energize and has a recharge bonus)
Gladiator's armor (Resistance, if you can afford the full set, great PvE bonuses)
Impervium Armor (Resistance, need to go 6 deep though)
Impervium Armor: Psi Resistance (Resistance, global non-unique)
Luck of the Gambler (Defense, need to go 6 deep though)
Shield Wall (Defense, if you can afford the full set, great PvE bonuses)
Shield Wall: +3% Res (all) (Expensive, but improves all resistances)
Aegis: Psi Res/Mez Res (Resistance, unique global)

Negative:
Adjusted Targeting (To Hit Buff, also has recharge bonus and used for BU)
Enfeebled Operation (Immobilize, also has great S/L defenses and recharge bonus)
Scirocco's Dervish (PBAoE, also has AoE defense)

Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim

Lightning Field
Toggle: PBAoE Minor DoT(Energy), Foe -End

Lightning Field is the Damage Aura of Electric Armor. It's a PBAoE toggle that chips away at the health of any enemies surrounding you, and also drains endurance! It even functions as a taunt aura, should you have the proper amount of accuracy. The only downside is the endurance cost, a meaty 1.04 End/sec.

TIP: Used in conjunction with Power Sink, this handy toggle will keep endurance-drained enemies the way they are-- endurance drained.

Slotting: 1 or 2 EndRdx, 1 Acc, 1 Dam (three to four slots to your flavor)
IO Slotting: A nice PBAoE set such as Obliteration.

Rating: ****

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Originally Posted by Kioshi

Lol I just noticed that, he talks about teaming, AVs, etc so I guess it's a regular team build, but crazy expensive. I'm guessing he's not exemplaring much so I completely agree Energy Torrent is better power. The slots for ET could come from Jab, plus ET can take a FF proc (not that I'd put another FF proc unless I really had a spare slot since Foot Stomp recharges fast enough and will fire the proc most times at the aggro cap, and there's the proc suppression timer).

One of the things I didn't like about Spring Attack I took for the lulz on one brute, besides damage and the slow recharge, was also the cast time - sure the animation is pretty cool but compared to the other telenukes it looks like it takes forever to deliver the damage after the novelty wears off.