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Glad you mentioned that option, would be willing to do the same on Nerfy

Every thread needs some Richard !

Don't you kids make me turn this thread around !

Being the OP (on a thread that actually took off for a change !) I can say that Witchfrost is dead on with what my intent was with this thread. And it held for a good while. Having said that, if we as a group "just need to let it drop", then by all means let's do so while things are relatively civil, and the lessons we've learned can remain unsullied by flames.

However, if someone got their nose out of joint because a painful truth was revealed...well, revealing painful truths was my intent as well. Part of healing is removing the cause of the pain; you have a splinter, you don't wish the pain away, you remove the splinter, treat the damage, and heal.

We as a group CLEARLY have some "splinters" Some are tiny and almost inconsequential (My "I was here before the earth cooled !" rant was one of those ), and some are universal and in urgent need of being acknowledged and dealt with if we indeed care anything about (re)building community.

Witchfrost, I have to admit here I kind of hijacked a very good point of yours to address my pet peeve. It was a tenuous seque from yours to mine, and I almost fear it started the current friction. So, I did understand your point, I just misused it.

Also, as Kid mentioned briefly, he and I haven't always seen eye to eye. However, it didn't take a great leap to "borrow" his response in another thread to begin this, it just took admitting that 1) He had good points that I felt touched on some widespread issues and 2) It wasn't worth carrying a grudge anymore. If anyone has an issue with someone else in this thread, these forums, or this game, take a moment and ask yourself why. Some of you will come up with valid hurts, slights, etc. that have yet to be dealt with. Some of you, if you're being honest, will come up with something ridiculous, and hopefully that will allow you to move forward.


So, now it's up to y'all. If this seems to be unretrievably busted, then I'll ask Niviene or Ocho to lock it (Not delete, since I think "we've done some good here", and I'd like to see it remain for others to read until The Next Purge.) Or, we can all take a breath, maybe let things set for a day or two, and press on toward rebuilding something we seem to all agree is worth the effort.

LOL She can be persuasive.

Badge doesn't scare Emps, he makes them famous !

(Emphasis mine, obviously) And please let me preface the following by saying I have absolutely no gripe with Witchfrost. None. He just gave me a opening to "vent", and hopefully I can do so with some skill

I hear WAY too many statements like this:

"Well, I've been here since Beta, and let me tell YOU something, New Player ! Back before ED, we were GODS ! I recall when Someone You Never Heard of and Doesn't Play Anymore, But People Still Invoke Like He or She Belongs in Some Pantheon did The Thing You Just Asked About, and Did It A Helluva Lot Better Than You Can Ever Hope to Achieve !"

I understand "bragging rights" play a role in this game; Witchfrost touched on how Protector's achievements were noteworthy, and they certainly are. I understand people- especially good players- are missed by those they played with. But at what point does fond rememberance turn into "You should listen to me solely because I've been here longer and knew people you didn't." ? When the "glory days" talk becomes exclusionary, new players tune out. Why ? Because they have no idea who the heck you're talking about. It's just that stupidly simple. If you had any intent of passing along any wisdom, you blew it at that point.

Wolfie and I arrived literally days after the Croatoa issue dropped. We knew and played with many of the people who are name dropped regularly, and maybe some none of you would know but who were still skilled. But they're gone now. Now she and I are among the upcoming generation of "old timers." We can say "I played with Famous Name, and MY GOD IT WAS GLORIOUS !" But we don't. If those people taught you something, great. Pass it along, and give credit when it's due.

But maybe, instead of constantly invoking the ghosts, we can say instead "Let me introduce you to someone I've played with recently, and whose skills I admire." It builds the community that we seem to agree is strongly needed on Protector, and no one feels like they're not welcome at the party just because they got here late.

Now, as far as new players being jerks and getting the ignore they deserve... that's another rant

Game specific is preffered, since I'm borrowing from Major T here and potentially making an arc out of these ideas.

I remember being told something very simimlar. I know it doesn't actually make a difference, but I still group them when I can.

You kind clarified my point. The cap is because of the "horrific griefing" and "paralyzing lag" that was used as an excuse to change the Hami raid so bad. And I agree, for that headache, a random Hami whose value can go as low as 10,000 inf at the WW is nuts. Which is where the social aspect came in, and now that "compensation" is gone.

I've done the new Raid very few times, and even with people who I KNOW are good at what they do (Yes you, Major T !) , it has occasionally been a horrible mess or a "success" that offered a lousy reward. Just not worth the headache, especially when you can (literally) walk into the Hive, walk to where Hami USED to be all the time, and get the Heart of the Hamidon badge in an empty "bowl."

I miss the goofy attacks that failed so horribly. I miss the rallying of the troops by the raid leader, and the thrill of seeing Hami succumb to the focused efforts of the same people who just minutes before were being TP'd and rezzed en masse. I miss the "**** talk". Hell, I even miss Yellow Death LOL

I STILL think that one is true LOL


Never seen that done, but I bet it's hilarious

Okay... you know you have to tell *how* and *where* LOL