Void_Huntress

So I can't interpret the following as a loosening of the leash on mentioning related game products when they're genuinely relevant to a discussion?

Against All Odds' self buff is probably at least partly at fault here, increasing the scrapper's damage throughput and thus their hate generation. Aside from that, it's the same grade taunting as an Inv scrapper gets.

Don't be silly, there aren't any PEOPLE living there.

... I must have seen a different shop, because I was able to walk back to the door and go THROUGH the door.. I didn't try logging out, because I didn't see any issue accessing the door, so no reason to think logging back in would be a problem.

EDIT: First, by 'through the door' I actually meant the gap between counter and wall.

I just tried it a few more times.. Three times out of five I was able to walk UP TO the door without any trouble. Two times I hitched briefly walking back there, then got through.. Getting OUT is trickier, yeah.. Jumping over the counter seems to work for LEAVING the area, but not ENTERING the area.

Definitely a weird area.

God help me, I'm agreeing with Eiko.

Apparently, the developers have decided a WTF is worth approximately 100 million influence and 88 shards. I'm a little bewildered by that.


Tell you what, guys.. You let me pick 100 million inf and 88 shards when I run a WTF (or let me break down a notice for same), and I'll go see if I can get a valium prescription from my doctor so I can join one without having a panic attack.

As Bosstone mentions, I was trying to illustrate exactly that point. And I think a 24-48 trial would be pretty amazing to include in the game, even if I never managed to play it (I have not, for instance, ever gone near a Hami; it took years before I managed a mothership raid). It should be there for the people who can, though.

At this point, it's pretty clear to me the management is aware that they need to pay attention to multiple scale levels. I'm no longer worried that I'll hit any walls.. I just have to wonder how steep the hills I'll have to climb will end up being. But you know? Uphill is okay, as long as I can see myself making steady progress.


Pretty much exactly right, although they have to be careful for that reason.. City ALSO works more on battlefield control grades than a lot of MMOs, so as participants scale up, the amount of mitigation, crowd control and debuffs we can bring to the table can scale way beyond what other game developers have to contend with. Watching them juggle that could be interesting.

And before someone goes "This is not Particular Other Game", it's important to point out they've given us the ability to put together FORTY EIGHT PERSON groupings.

48. You don't set a limit that high unless you're prepared for people to hit it.

... Uh. Wait. What? That's... not how this conversation just happened.

No. No you would not see the same effects. You see ONE SUBSET of the effects. Just because you throw out facts doesn't make the facts not there.

"Spreadsheet only" arguments? We're talking about what the game actually does. Seriously. Open up 'real numbers', pick a power, look at the difference between 49 an 50. It's there. Trying to say it isn't there is just ignoring a fundamental truth.

Fight a level 50 enemy as 49, look at your rewards. Fight a level 50 enemy as 50, look at your rewards. There's a difference, and you've even acknowledged this one, but refuse to acknowledge it as one item of several that distinguishes a level shift from actually gaining a level.

Once again: A level shift is a SUBSET of gaining a level. It provides ONE FACET that gaining a level ALSO provides, but omits the REST if the facets of gaining a level.

Seriously, it's like you're arguing that red is the same thing as purple, because red gives you all the redness that purple does.

... Seriously?

Citing an actual PROVABLE DIFFERENCE between actually gaining a level and the effect of a level shift causes you to dismiss the statement as a tautology?

You're the one going "It's a level because it's a level, it just is" when there's a stack of FACTS demonstrating it is something else.

Except with an ACTUAL level you would have the purple patch effect AND the real effect.

This is true, and it's a strong feature to make level shifts desirable. It also helps demonstrate it's not a level.

And in the cases I cited, they were not personal attacks or hypocrisy. They were factually correct statements to which you responded caustically.

An important distinction here is that it is not "I fight as if I were level 51". This is a fundamental truth, and repeating "Yes, it is" doesn't make it so. A level shift leverages the Purple Patch rules, causing the penalties and benefits of conning higher or lower to change in magnitude.

If you were fighting as if level 51, you would have: More health, higher base duration of mez effects, higher base damage in attacks, and other benefits. And then ON TOP of these things, you would have the difference in level comparison, for the purple patch code.

Since we're ONLY getting the purple patch effects, it should pretty clear that it's not the same thing as going up a level.

I mean, seriously. "Being one level above your enemies has effects A through G. A level shift gives you effect D." How hard is this?

Compliance.


Wherein BigFish disregards facts and dismisses someone categorically:
Wherein BigFish disregards facts and throws a correctly used word back in someone's face:

There might be more, either here or elsewhere, but I think two examples suffices.

What was it that was said about projecting, earlier?

This is .. wow, dude.

No, man, we don't need you to quote everything, we just .. want what you say to have a BASIS in what other people are saying, and the facts surrounding the matter in THIS reality, not .. whatever version of things you're reading from in your private reality.

a) This isn't copying anything from other MMOs. It's still DIFFERENT from how the other folks do it. It may still not be desirable to you, but that doesn't mean it's just a 'copy'.

b) The only thing that's being dismissed is your insanity being passed off as something rational.

Seriously, you're off your rocker. I'm an obligate soloer, for reasons I've expressed before, and I still think you're full of it. Not as full of it as some others, but pretty high up there.

It actually does a bit more than that, since it also effectively reduces enemy damage, accuracy, and control durations as well.

Emphasis added, because it's important to remember that for solo/small team, team buffs may be in limited supply.

It was a humorous moment, nothing more. :D

Personally, I'd still like to be able to do a lamia/naga-esque character, but I'm not holding my breath on that front.

Well, for one, what YOU want from them doesn't delineate the boundaries of their responsibilities, either.

For another, they have a very hard requirement not to make statements that are -- or can appear to be -- any kind of commitment to things that they cannot, with GREAT certainty, know WHEN they will produce.

If they aren't sure HOW they're going to do it, then obviously they don't know when it will happen.

If they haven't tested the fundamentals of a mechanism, they can't be sure that's how they're going to do it.

Marketing can't effectively do their job -- which is to maintain the image of the product, and bring in new customers -- if people are freaking out over things they THOUGHT the developers meant.

This results in marketing having a very real need to control what the developers say, because developers don't know marketing, and they aren't always able to predict how people will respond to their statements. Mostly because (ideally) most of their attention is on what they're trying to make.

Marketing can't be the one to make the forward looking statements, because they need to work with things that are pretty much nailed down from the development end of things. They aren't involved in the actual creation of the product, so they need to not be selling things that might not actually be happening in a relevant timeframe.

Expectation management is not a nontrivial task.

What you can or cannot fathom does not delineate the boundaries of departments, either.