Ultimus

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

It doesn't change the discussion, but as far as I'm concerned, it further validates my position.

They keep handing out more and more survivability to everyone. This both makes Tankers less relevant for tanking and makes it even more hypocritical to punish them greatly with low damage for having survivability when they hand out survivability to everyone else and don't make them take a sizeable damage hit for it. It also brings Brutes even closer to Tankers in terms of survivability while the damage gap remains the same.

For my Tanker buff arguments I love the change because it's just more fuel to the fire.
For the sake of the game and power creep... well, that's a whole other thing.


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Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad

Why do people making these threads always seem to ignore that in the current game Scrappers and Stalkers are better than both ATs?

Why all the rage over jockeying for last place?

If you're measuring damage output vs survival capacity, the scrapper and stalker forums are filled with DPS that will make your head spin with enough survival packed into most of these super DPS builds to weather not just a pylon but often solo at x8 or crush crates in Lambda. If you can solo x8 you can tank for x8.

Both tanks and brutes are obsolete. Brute less so, sure, because it's a newer AT - all the newer ATs are better designed than their pre-I6 companions. But still obsolete.

Change Confront to Taunt (nobody takes it anyways unless they want to tank) and let this end. Scrapper caps are more than sufficient to tank for a team since any situation where a brute is buffed past scrappers 75% by outside sources* means the team is buffed to near unkillable levels anyways.


* Fire damage, energy damage, smash lethal damage can be exceeded interally, of course, in three armor sets. It only matters on farm maps. In general play I've never really noticed a difference when battling with my /elec brute vs my /elec scrapper, even against Mu. I know the difference is there, but with the speed said Mu die to either I've never seen it be a factor.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

MC could really use boost range. Ki Push can shove things right out of blaster range, and so fast it can almost outrace some blast projectile speeds.

My best one so far I bounced a critter off a truck, then onto a fence, then down the side of the fence, then flipped up and over another critter, and then into a tree.

Originally Posted by Agent White

...what power set/AT are you playing that's going to give up 6 whole power picks for these? Really, I'm curious

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

That's a one-dimensional way of looking at things, though. If a hypothetical SR tanker or scrapper managed to get huge resistances to everything (especially psi) it would be Fiery Embrace vs 95% DDR. That's not an automatic win for Fiery Aura, and that's also another thing you can't really buy from the invention system. You can rent it from the incarnate system, but not all of it and only part of the time. And while the Fiery Aura tanker was doing that, the SR tanker would be spamming Rebirth and neutralizing much of the advantage of Healing Flames.

Actually, high on my TODO list is to figure out what the scaling resistance invention does, so I can see how it would stack on SR. That should be interesting.

Originally Posted by Starsman

I guess his point is that Fiery Embrace (and other damage tools) make sure that once everyone is soft capped to everything, only Fire Armor ends up being on top.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

I think Electric Armor will benefit more, but I need to look at the numbers more carefully.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

It reminds me of what I said in I9 beta that there was too much defense in the invention system and it would trivialize defense sets and cause a runaway defense stacking arms race and then the devs would eventually be forced to make critters with defense counters just to counterbalance that and then moderate defense sets would get caught in the crossfire and disemboweled.

If I had said back then "and then Cryptic would sell out to NCSoft and spin off a dev group called Paragon Studios that would hire a developer that would pick the red name Synapse that would eventually become the powers team lead and decide to flirt with the same problem with resistance buffs" I would have only been slightly more accurate.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

It reminds me of what I said in I9 beta that there was too much defense in the invention system and it would trivialize defense sets and cause a runaway defense stacking arms race and then the devs would eventually be forced to make critters with defense counters just to counterbalance that and then moderate defense sets would get caught in the crossfire and disemboweled.

If I had said back then "and then Cryptic would sell out to NCSoft and spin off a dev group called Paragon Studios that would hire a developer that would pick the red name Synapse that would eventually become the powers team lead and decide to flirt with the same problem with resistance buffs" I would have only been slightly more accurate.

Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast

The Rune of Protection numbers are not what I expected - the negatives outweigh the positives imo. I mean -25% endurance? -100% end recov?? YIKES! I thought maybe this would be a way to help some of my toons that do not have mez protection, but after seeing that - no thanks.

Plus at a 1 min duration even if it was able to be made perma - I couldn't see ever using this. I had high hopes, but will not be purchasing this now.

Thankfully there is Clarion

Originally Posted by RevolverMike

10 minutes? 5 minutes? one of those for sure.

Originally Posted by MajorDecoy

It might be affected by +heal resistance.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Its a bit like regen in that regard: high enough regen can erase *all* damage. Regen's weakness is that you have to take the damage first.

A weakness Absorb does not have.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Actually, I use Mids.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

That's basically it. But its the specifics that are tricky. I think high resistance is going to unlock a huge amount of survivability for the absorb shields. They are stronger than the regen sustains. For example, Frigid Protection shows 60.24 Absorb per tick. Real Numbers isn't good with showing the activation period but I believe Arbiter Hawk stated it was going to be 3 seconds per Absorb tick. So that's 5% every 3 seconds, fully slottable to 10% every 3 seconds. That's 3.33%/sec of damage mitigation. *IF* you could use it all, that would be equivalent to 800% regeneration. Compare to, say, Force of Thunder which has a +250% regen buff half-enhanceable. So fully slotted that would be about +375% regen, or 1.56%/sec.

*IF* you can use it all, you could have double the mitigation of the +regen sustains, something approaching Regen scrapper mitigation. *BUT* its very difficult to use it all, because Absorb is a use it or lose it mechanism. Whatever you don't use in one 3 second tick you can't carry forward. Its gone, and a new fully charged tick replaces it.

Since defense makes damage more bursty, it will tend to reduce the efficiency of Absorb. Resistance evens out damage, making it increase the efficiency of Absorb. There's no such thing as an apples to apples comparison with Def and Res in the real game because you never get that choice, but the Def has traditionally been the better play because you can get more of it and it mitigates secondary effects and not just damage. But if Resistance can unlock more of Absorb than defense, that might reduce the gap between the two substantially, because Resistance has a lot of upside on an Absorb toggle.