TwoHeadedBoy

Yeah for exemping forms can be nice, and for leveling up they're great... Personally I play my characters to level 50 for a reason. When I talk about performance of a character, I am talking about performance of the character at the level I have it unless I specify otherwise. If I wanted to play a level 10, 20, 30, or 40 Peacebringer, I would not have gotten mine to level 50.
Yep, cascading defense does happen but that doesn't stop having high defense (softcapped s/l or 32.5 e/n) from being a huge survivability multiplier.

I was talking about Peacebringers. Even iwth tricked out Orbiting Death, Judgement, Unchain, my Tri Form Shade build was clearing maps about ~10-20s faster than my human build

Human form PB's do more AOE than Nova, reach higher survivability levels
than Dwarf, and do better ST damage than both.

The idea is to make Dwarf stronger at support, and the click heal is redundant. There are already 2 click heals in human form, with instant form shifts and toggle suppression there would be no need for the third in Dwarf.

A tank's role is to support the team, and Kheldians are unique "jack of all trades" characters. I think that PB forms are greatly lacking in purpose and this would be a nice way to incentivize taking Dwarf (on top of all the other suggestions I've made.)
I like my idea better. Gimicky you say? You turn into giant sea food from outer space.
But why do you need to have dwarf as a damage dealing form? Sure it should be able to do SOME damage but I would much rather see Human Form be the ST damage form, nova be the AOE melting form, and Dwarf be the tanking, supporting the team form. That is why Kheldians get put into the "tank" category, after all.
Yeah, I know that I skip them because I don't want to retoggle. If they both became crashless nukes that only worked in Nova form and we got suppression/instant shifts I would use forms on both my Khelds all the time.
Pfft. Letting Defense toggles (Maneuvers, Weave, Combat Jumping) run in Dwarf will already give Dwarf ~20% defense to all. Add in my Storm Kick suggestion, and that's up to 30% which would make Dwarf trivially easy to softcap, on top of the great resists the form has already.

Well, it can "be" melt armor and still have a different (and more thematic) name/concept. I just meant in terms of how the power itself functioned.
Was just commenting that from a purely non-concept and performance based standpoint, Dwarf is already very irrelevant. If human form could run Link minds it would just do more to make the other forms less worth using.
Yes, but the defense buff would still be better for human form as it is now as it has more defense potential than Dwarf and pool powers to stack it with..And there would still be no point in taking Nova on an optimized build since human form does more AOE damage.

Yep. I would also like to see the self heal in Dwarf form replaced with a PBAOE heal to further incentivize taking the form for tanking purposes- Perhaps making the Dwarf heal "not affect self" to avoid overpowering?
Why? <Logical explanation, blah blah>"Your Peacebringer's Dwarf form strikes an enemy so hard that he has trouble hitting anything again, granting a 10% defense buff to you"</Logical explanation, blah blah>
I don't think White Dwarf needs to be better at dealing damage, I think it needs to be better at tanking.

I think that if Nova was the AOE form- Requiring a damage buff while the form is active-Also, maybe making Dawn Strike a crashless Nuke for Nova form only w/ comparable damage to the Archery/DP crashless nukes and comparable recharge... While letting human form retain the ST potential and Dwarf having a survivability edge (via my storm kick suggestion) the forms would all be worth taking.

If it carried into forms, it still wouldn't matter. Human Form still wins.. As we all saw with the last round of PB buffs.

I see selling things on the market as a community service too. Whenever someone provides something players want they are doing a service to the community. That's just how I personally look at it.

1. This is a video game
2. Shapeshifters have been known to transform instantly in comic books
3. The shift from Dwarf or Nova back to human is already instant

I didn't send you a build, I just ran the idea of the chain by you and you said it wasn't possible to run. I'll have to dig up the PM.

Well I mean.. You could also spec into Provoke. I know I'm probably "beating the dead horse" a bit, but I missed the heck out of this power when I didn't have it. I really think that Provoke on a high end Warshade is one of the most glorious things I've encountered and played in the game.
Buahaha, yeah, they are quite useful. I personally prefer slotting 3 LOTG's in my defense toggles for the set bonuses, it costs an extra slot vs. Enyzmes but provides the same defense values... The bonuses are just wonderful and worth it for me.

For me, my Kheldians are just my absolute favorite characters so I am willing to invest heavily in them to get the best performance I can. I am an altaholic in reverse, I play 4 or 5 characters max. I have my Warshade, my Peacebringer, and my SS/Fire Brute taking up about 95% of my game time. My Brute serves the obvious purpose of being able to constantly generate income. He is also on a big server so he's able to get a lot of trials and save up Empyrean merits.

I made most of my last fortune by leaving lowball bids on purples and flipping them for 100 million profit or more per piece, spending about 5 minutes a day on the market.. But the in game economy has been sort of strange lately so I've had to rely more heavily on my Brute.

I didn't look at your build but without purple procs your DPS is going to suffer by default. My build runs Strike>Blast>Bolt with ideal slotting, there's really no conceivable way to top it that I can think of.

I was just replying to your comment of "what is the point of defense if you have to sacrifice x thing?" and my answer was that if you invest enough into your character you can have both.
Resistance is very nice to have, but combined with softcapped defense it tremendously multiplies your survivability. I like to do stupid things on my Kheldians, like soloing the hardest enemy groups in the game on 54x8, charging incarnate spawns by myself with no support, and soloing AV's (though I've yet to try that one on my PB, I just finished him up recently.)

I only use -res procs in my ST attack chain on my current build because I am comfortable enough with my AOE output without them there. The -res is serving its best purpose against hard single targets, imo.

As for control, unfortunately Pulsar is such a low mag stun that I find it's not even worth the power choice. I could see muling it for Absolute Amazement, but with good defense, perma capped resists, ideal damage output, and insane HP I would hardly find it useful.

The bottom line is that he is providing in game things to people that they might be willing to pay Inf for. If you don't like it, go read a different thread.

I thought I mentioned that to you a while ago and you said that even at the recharge cap there was no conceivable way to run that chain.
I noticed that with Snare also but I believe the end cost is higher (?) and one of the biggest benefits of running the eye chain for me is that it freed up the power choice of Essence Drain and let me pick something else up. I ended up switching back to the Drain chain because like you said, the heal is very nice.

Hm I have tried to build for positional defense also and found that it ended up being more slot intensive and/or leading to not getting the procs//recovery/etc that I liked to have in my builds.

Yeah I am definitely missing the added heal and stun duration from Spiritual but Agility is useful enough to me for it to be worth it.

I find that surprising, I haven't played TW yet but based on what I can tell the big AOE seems to be weaker than Foot Stomp, and I see nothing in the set that can make up for the loss of Rage.

Edit: Assuming FOTG in Burn and t4 reactive.

I hope your impromptu memorial service helped.


Spoiler: Super Strength still wins.

I guess I just view it the same way that I view farming. Sure, people are profiting off of the recipe drops they get and/or ticket rolls they make, but they are also helping out the community by making items available that folks would like to purchase.

Yeah I suppose that is another way to look at it. Personally though, I just felt like he didn't have any malicious intentions here.

I haven't read this post yet. I'm waiting for a trial to que... But I just need to say,



Welcome back! We missed you prematurely!

I was talking about maximizing human form effectiveness, retaining optimal damage output and survivability. Sorry if this was not what was being asked, it just seemed like it was.

Bahaha, Geek, you are the best.

Hahahaha.

Also... To the OP, you might want to learn how to play the game before you start thinking about farming it. SS does not conflict with Fiery Aura. And there is no gold in this game. None!

And Pulsar is a horrible power. (It's also a stun, not a fear.)