TresCool

Hey Solicio & Co

About that "majority rule":

Have you personally spoken to each and every single CoX user?
You (you know who you are) are using people for your own argumentation, like they were basically YOU.

"We are the majority,We wont like anything like this ever, we will leave the game"

This is pretty much the epicentre of your whole argumentation.

Do you have sheets of surveys lying on your desk, backing up all these claims on what everybody wants and doesnt want?

I know that the majority of the userbase isnt in this game to play PvP.
But that doesnt mean all these people share your sentiments on everything that is being said here. Everyone has an individual stance on things.
Let them have their say (if they want), and speak for yourself and your personal experience.


For example, I myself know a bunch of people who dont play pvp in CoX right now, but would be interested in it, if things changed -one of these people being myself.
I´ve played this game for over 3 years now and I just think its time to work on things that are already ingame, but obviously dont work.

This is what these threads are really about.
If you are just here to say "No, there is nothing wrong with PvP.I am against ideas that involve changing anything about PvP" , then say it and thats it.
No point in trying to make people stop discussing ideas nevertheless.

Tre

What I often see on this board is the typical "senior employee/junior employee" syndrome.
The juniors are enthusiastic (and sometimes naive) about what it is they do, and constantly come up with ideas.
The seniors have seen many(or all) of these ideas fail before,(they may once have BEEN the junior once, and failed themselves) they think they know exactly where this is going, so they are pretty much against everything the juniors say.

In a perfect world, the seniors should bring in their experience to figure out ways how it COULD work.

Note I am not a junior to this particular game, but yes, I havent tried out any other MMORPG so the people who have , clearly have more experience there.

What just came to my mind...
forget dueling for a second.

Is there actually a plan for the level cap to be raised?
PvP could make great 50+ content.
It would be even easier, and nearly nothing would have to be changed.
Just make it so that in order to get to the new 50+ areas , you HAVE to go through a CoV 50+ area. and vice versa.

Is there NOONE who would find this exciting?

@Samuel Tow:
Thats much better.

@Prof Backfire:
I understand your concern.But then again, PvP implies that there is always one loser.
If u let a single villain enter ,say,Founders Falls ,Croatoa or Peregrine Island for a mission, there will be no noob characters that just rolled a new hero waiting for him.

Also there should always be the "no pvp" button. as mentioned before.

@Luminara and Zekiran Immortal:

I am sure you thought this was a really good (even though low) argument there.
But I am Austrian. My mother language is german. And given that I speak english pretty damn well.
To tell you the truth I dont give a rat´s *** about in wich case u think it is appropriate to use "u" instead of "you".
What I value is everyone who can make a relevant argument based on WHAT I say, no matter if he/she shares my opinion or not.

Thematic and Content:


More contrast to how CoH does things.

You dont escort - u abduct.You need to be able to tie the victim up, or put it in a bag(forcefield,wahtever), that u can carry or drag along on a leash.

lol,again.
i was talking about optional dueling for the villain side.
those who dont want would never have to.

people nowadays love objecting so much that they dont even take the time to find out what they are actually objecting against

Well i think CoX DOES have to guard against CO.If CO turns out to be as it is being announced.
Since CoX cant go back ,start from scratch and unwalk the paths chosen (game mechanics etc.) CO has an obvious advantage there.
CoX looks way better to me than what I´ve seen in CO so far(cell shading uuaaggghh), but IF they can provide that level of customization freedom(do what u wanna do, how u wanna do it, and WITH what u wanna do it) and IF CoX cannot bring it, I will definately switch to CO and give it a serious try.

You are not reading careful enough.7

What would we call this idea "CONTROLLED dueling" for, if there werent to be mechanisms built in to control this feature individually.
you are getting too many challenges ?-> select option "you can only be requested while in status "bring it on" "
or select option "change unanswered invite maximum to x(insert number)"

you get tells?-> select option "disable tells from villains with the status "bring it on"."
guy makes the extra effort to switch off his "bring it on" status, just to annoy you-> globally block user!

I mean seriously.if u wanna say nay - at least do it after giving it a serious thought.

1.Epic Scale encounters:

Well we have large bosses, but most of them look like normal minions with a different scale.No beautifully designed colossus.(speaking of colossus, they should take a look at the game "shadow of the colossus", THERE they´d get inspiration for boss-individuality)

2.Fun PvP:

Yes I been thinking about that one for years now.
seems this topic has a built in "/unsigned" ... noone cares enough.PvP should be optional ,SPONTANEUS and uncomplicated.It should be able to be done in between two PvE missions.no long travels to area XY....wahtever

3.real flight combat:
Wont happen until CoX is fully playable on a joypad,like ChampionsOnline will be.my guess.

4.about knockback...
Well there IS knockback,just it could need change.
you should be able to slam a minion 30 meters agains a wall, causing him to take extra damage when hitting it.heavy foes(robots) should break right THROUGH the wall
also knockback should not only send the foe flying in an arc(somewhat slowly at that), like he´s been hit by a soft breeze of air
they should be sent flying like being shot out of a slingshot the force should be visible

lol.
I had a similar idea years ago and it got just as rejected.
I wanted controlled "open air" dueling for the villain side, cause I just didnt like how civilized things are over on the rogues - I dont even feel villainous there, wich makes the villain experience dull and boring.

I figured bad guys are bad cause they dont like to live by other people´s rules.

So it made sense to me that you could be provoked into dueling on the streets,even though u could switch off the dueling option(making u "intangible").someone might just bring it out of you
however it got rejected by 75% of the posters.I dont get why.

You are righ, Revive does exist, DAMN!

Although Handclap isn´t really the kind of signature punch I had in mind(I mean if I can knock back people by clapping my hands I would be strong enough to impale a foe with my fist with every regular attack)- it does somewhat cover the knockback.

Nevertheless theres plenty more powers ,that are not really decisive in winning a battle, but enrich the experience.

For example:

Ice powered heroes get to create Icy shapes in every comic book, a multitude of tools(not just a sword).
They can 1)lift themselves up on a plateau of ice, wich could also be used to break a fall
2) create barriers to block hallways and such,(both 1+2 goes for earth controllers as well) and
3)of course the often mentioned ice slides


It of course would be cool if fire guys could turn these icy shapes into steam, causing every foe that passes through the area to suffer a accuracy debuff.
Believe me, that sort of thing happened like every 2nd episode of "spiderman and his amazing friends".This kind of interaction is a basic element there.

list goes on...

super strength people should be able to throw cars at people(like in marvel :rise of the imperfects, wich featured a copy-worthy fight engine),swing streetlamps etc.
I know that isnt possible technically (now),and has been asked for, a hundred times.
But that´s what makes a super strength char feel strong. he doesnt as much care for numbers, but EFFECTS.

y´all know what I mean.

A chain of ideas has been going through my head,lately
Watching the latest episode of the TV series "heroes", and reading my latest wolverine comic, I realized that in COH , every single hero has to some degree, a regeneration superpower!
the Hospital teleporter!

In stories and movies, i found one of the coolest effects about a hero with rapid tissue regeneration is, that the villain can shoot him down, and leave the scene, believing he killed the hero - but moments later the hero would open his eyes , spit out a bullet and complain about the holes in his new shirt!

So I realized CoH kind of lost this effect, because of the necessity to keep all the heroes alive!

This made me think of ways to regain this effect, without adding any uberness, or anything, people with different powers would consider an "unfair advantage".
And there it was, my first Pool of Potential- Power!

How would it feel if u (being a regen hero)did not HAVE to go to the hospital to reenter the game?
I figured other heroes would like to have u in their team,cause if things went awry, and everyones down, and noone has a wakie, there would still be you!
Just like Wolverine did it time and time again in the comics.

So this is what this thread is about. The Pool of Potential would be a pool that consists of little "extras", that are different for any choice of power sets.

Another example: if ure super strong, how would it be to have an attack that doesnt do that much damage, but has an uber-knock back( you know, like in the hercules series),and a loooong recharge .of course you´ll only use it for fun, it wont be useful enough in a real tough battle, so noone will hate u for shooting their anchor out of space.

finding out what makes a power feel cool, or what keeps it from feeling the way it does in successfull super hero comics and movies, will make this a more fun game. Often there is no numbers crunching needed, its just things,that help diversifying the experience.

I invite u all to add ideas!

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wait wait wait....demon summoning is already in game, the oni? if they bring out demon summoning, doesnt that make the oni redundant?

anyway, if demon summoning come out, can they get rid of oni and replace it with an actual 'ninja'?

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the oni isnt really a demon, its more like a warrior spirit....so ...lol

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Well, where's the super in any of the weapon sets? Or for that matter, Batman, Green Arrow etc...

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Super is what you do not what you do it with.

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That's the story I stick to with any new girls I meet...

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You go on dates armed with 2 pistols?

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no but with 1 super pistol

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Well, where's the super in any of the weapon sets? Or for that matter, Batman, Green Arrow etc...

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THANK you.
Wich leads us to my often suggested Psychic Blade set

yay!hell has officially frozen over!
I am happy.

This will keep a LOT of people (like ME) from going to CO. Cause COH looks better anyway(IMHO), and if they could implement customzable colors even though for a while it seemed they never would, they will manage to keep up with anything CO will come up with(custom power animations, hoverboards etc.)

a good example of how we all benefit from a little competition.

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I hope there will be a new npc to do the power customisation and not the tailor/facemaker. I'd like to do it with a character who won't visit Icon ever again so she won't loose the awesome bolero/wings combo ...

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yeah feel u . i had an ice hero with arms made solely out of gas.i lost it by going to the tailor

amazing...finally....power color customization!

I am still keeping my pen in the pocket on this one, cause I think, commanding a couple of thorns, arachnos,etc. would mean ure kinda down with the villain group and involved in their hierarchy. Some of these mobs just have trademark looks, that could never be seperated from the villain group.

I would like it if uu could have allegiances with villain groups and because of that get acces to their mobs, but that would mean the implementation of a whole new system

so I am hesitant to approve of this.

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n yeah, removing the bonuses makes these powers pointless much sooner than than they are already.

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I take them but they aren't much use. Once out of outbreak (or breakout for the dodgy ones!) they miss so often they've almost completely useless. More of a fill in attack while waiting for the rest to recharge... They look nice but apart from that, waste of a slot.

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strange, up until lvl 10 those attacks equal "me not dying ever", cause I get to have a functioning attack chain with (at the beginning) very strong attacks.The staffs hit more often than my other powers(at first).the axe and the sands are bit less functional, but mostly because of their long animation times.

Compared to 3 yrs ago,when I didnt have all these rewards the first 10 lvls are now a walk in the park.

Interesting that people´s experiences with these attacks vary so much!