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  1. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    As you're a soloer, I can't give the correct response
    I'm actually not. I solo and team. I did two Apexs today and a Kahn the other day. I do like the option to solo as teams are not always there (especially redside.)

    I just see no reason to punish others when both sides can have a fun time and fair advancement. No one needs to suffer for the others and I do not understand the glee some get over the idea that those who have time constraints will not be able to advance past a snails pace.
  2. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
    Or you could simply learn about game mechanics. Knowledge is much more important than any of those things.
    Not really, no.
  3. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    The odds are stacked so heavily in their favor, it hardly counts as a gamble at all
    Your overconfidence is your weakness!
  4. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
    Again, you're making stuff up. He said:



    He only stated you're going to be playing at the same time, not with them. If you don't seek them out or luck onto a team with some, so be it.

    You are putting meaning into the statement beyond what is there.

    Lie.
    So what was he trying to do? Brag he ran speed TF's? His post then contained no merit. I suppose I shouldn't of tried to read value in a post with nothing in it.
  5. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    I don't remember seeing that part of their post-Tyrant plans - was it a Crusader story arc?
    Wouldn't surprise me as numerous crusaders have outright contempt for humanity, or just want to make others suffer, or are not above executing innocents because they knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who once knew Coles grandpa.
  6. Toony
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    Originally Posted by srmalloy View Post
    Right... Because Cole built each sonic pylon himself and does all the maintenance himself, too, just to make sure that no one else learns the secrets of how they work.
    Considering the resistance has no trouble wantonly detonating nukes, I don't find it a hard sell that in the revolution to take down a super powered mad man, one of those pylons MIGHT go out. I do hope some resistance members have trained themselves in the repair of advanced specialized machinery they would never use.
  7. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
    gecko said this(I quoted this from your post earlier):


    So he states not every team does this. He says some of the time you can expect this.

    Now that statement assumes one is trying for a speed run. You know this. It is implied and obvious.

    So you are intentionally twisting his words and actively making up meaning in his statement, and you accuse him of telling a "bold face lie"?

    Nice try.
    So where were those power gamers he ensures I was teamed with?

    Lie.
  8. Toony
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    Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
    I'm curious to why you included computer in there.
    My computer sometimes has fits in large teams. I can't predict when it'll happen. It might happen several times a team or once a week, it's random. However larger teams do aggrivate it and if you have me in your TF as a main tank or buffer, you will be accepting the risk that I suddenly stop moving for 10 minutes. Now you may say "Well then I don't want to team with you" and thats fine. I don't want to cause the team to fail because of my computer. So give me a sane way of doing things.

    As it is I will run the TF's and if I freeze up and the team wipes or I cannot help on the last mission, well, what happens happens. I personally think those other players who have issues that may cause them to leave SHOULD join TF's. If they have to leave or constantly go afk, oh well. I mean, we wouldn't want to trivialize the content. Think of it as "added difficulty".
  9. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
    That's either bad luck it hasn't happened or your team wasn't trying for a speed run.
    Not the point. The point is gecko is passing it off as if every team does this and it is almost a surefire thing this is always going to be 30 minutes or less. That is a bold face lie.
  10. Toony
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    Originally Posted by Vidszhite View Post
    The way I see it, if you refuse to run TFs even once, you get exactly what you deserve. If you won't compromise, the devs shouldn't be expected to either.
    Erm, what about those who CANNOT do it due to time constraints, illness, computer, etc?
  11. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
    Um, what post did you read? The OP was doing nothing more than giving some good advice/hints on some ways to cope with more challenging content.

    Do you even understand the words you read before you posted your response?d
    Funny enough, neither TF is near as hard as STF or LRSF. So the way to cope with hard content is probably still....

    Get an uber build

    or

    Get a ton of buffs/debuffs

    or

    Get a ton of nukes/shivans

    or

    stock up on insps.
  12. Toony
    Get an uber 10 billion dollar build.

    Get a specialized team with a ton of buffs.

    You're golden.

    Poor mans way: Get nukes and shivans.

    I also don't get why I should need to "prepare myself!" for new content. It's a game, not life and death. I shouldn't need to spend hours preparing myself to be able to enjoy further content.
  13. Toony
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    Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I've done about 20 of these this week, and the tank/brute/kheld has pulled the AVs in to join reichs every time. It's varied as to whether we've killed reichs or the other AVs first, depending on team composition, but the tank has always dealt with both. It doesn't take an exceptional team.

    If you go into this with no buffs and debuffs and an inadequate tank, you will suffer unless you're very good, but most reasonably balanced teams can cope.
    AKA an exceptional team.

    Saying any or most teams can do it is a lie.
  14. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
    Today I've done the following tasks:

    LGTF
    ITF
    Kahn TF

    Not one of them took longer than 30 minutes. Can every player expect that? No. Not all the time. But some of the time you can. Playing the WST ensures you're going to be playing at the same time as powergamers who know every trick for shortening these tasks. The casual option is clear to me.
    I just want to state that I have done all those TF's dozens of times and have NEVER come close to 30 minutes. EVER. On any of the dozens of runs I've done.
  15. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    So you stiff-armers still haven't gotten the message, have you?
    You can play as "Good Nazis", but you're still bad guys
    And you can play "Good Terrorist" but you're equally the villain.
  16. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    The thing is you really don't get a choice with these. You either pick the Resistance choice (which, since loyalist=evil, must mean resistance choice=always good) or you pick the evil (loyalist choice).

    So blowing up a city block=good if we accept resistance always=good.
  17. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
    per one of the Resistance members, he claims to have seen Cole standing a top a building during the Hamidon Wars, watching the DE destroy a city before "he came in to save the day."

    The Resistance play more like "Good Cop Bad Cop" obviously enough the Wardens are the Good Cops, while the Crusaders are the Bad Cops. The Wardens are trying to achieve their goals with as little casualties as possible. The Crusaders are trying to achieve their goals by any means necessary and basically take the phrase "for the greater good" to the extreme.

    How is Arachnos less evil than Tyrant? There's no "less evil" here, both sides are evil, but Tyrant is more of a global threat than Arachnos (Black Scorpion's in game dialogue even mentions that The Malta Operatives can easily rival Arachnos, and we see how the Praetorian Clockwork mopped them up in the Tin Mage TF).

    As for the Loyalists...it's easy enough to define them as villains when they let the populace continue drinking Enriche which contains a mind altering agent.
    This assumes every single loyalist has the knowledge of the player themselves and knows everything. This, from an in character perspective, is not true.

    The crusaders are also not "bad cops". They are straight up villains. Just because they have a noble cause does not make blowing up innocents and torturing civillians heroic. I have psychotic murdering villains that don't go as far as your average crusader.

    On the flipside, most of the loyalist stuff (all I've done, atleast) doesn't even come close to the evil of the crusaders.
  18. Toony
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    Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
    villains and heroes teaming up to fight a greater evil? MADNESS!!!
    Seems more like villains and villains. Again, how are terrorists=good guys? The resistance murders innocent civillians and blows up buildings filled with sick people. No one can explain how that is a good guy thing.

    Or how is Arachnos less evil than Tyrant?
  19. Toony
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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Yes - because he could fight against Tyrant - he could try and turn the military against him, but he chooses to go along with the crime against humanity that is the existence of Tyrant's dictatorship.
    So...why are the resistance good? They work with the crime against humanity that is Arachnos.
  20. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    You might like to check-out this helpful Paretorian fact sheet, made up from in-game and out-of-game info, starting with Tyrant’s invasion plans for Primal Earth:




    Some quotes from Tyrant himself:




    Some badges:




    Some stuff about the PPD and the Resistance from the GR website:




    And a few developer quotes to finish things off:

    Joe “Hero 1” Morrissey:




    John “Protean” Hegner:




    Matt “Positron” Miller:




    Jesse “Ghost Falcon” Caceres:




    Obviously, this list is going to have to be updated with the new info on the scale of the evil Tyrant and his loyalist stromtroopers are planing that we've seen in the BAF Trial, and in the other Incarnate Trials in I20 - the list of their crimes just gets bigger and bigger
    And none of this counteracts that the resistance isn't good either. If you wish to say both are evil, sure. But there is no good guy here, far as I'm concerned. Either the dictator or the group that bombs buildings and works with a dictator. Pick your choice.

    Also you seem to be equating loyalist to devout servant of Tyrant. Marchand is a loyalist and he does not want the war to happen nor does he 100% support all the praetors. Is he also eviler than a baby strangeller because his boss is Tyrant?
  21. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Even though the game treats them as that?
    You have an odd definition of good guy. Not many good guys I know of openly bomb hospitals and work with dictatorships.
  22. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    It's the bigger picture they're going by - in the meta-story, supproting Tyrant and his dictatorship is evil, resisting Tyrant and his dictatorship is good - which is what they've been saying since Hero Con 2009.
    In the GR beta, the loyalist even had the Villain titles and mission completion music, and the Resistance had the Hero titles and the Hero mission completion music - and the badge artwork still marks loyalists as Villains and Resistance as Heroes.

    The main purpose of Praetoria is to provide a world-threatening archvillain and his evil legions of robots and stromtroopers for players to fight, tied into the expanded Incarnate lore and the endgame system that goes with it.
    In the first 2 new Incarnte TFs - we fight Tyrant's forces and stop his evil plans on Primal Earth, and fight Tyrant's forces and stop his evil plans in Praetoria.
    In the first Incarnate raid in I20 - we fight Tyrant's forces and stop his evil plans at the BAF, and the next raid mentioned is on the millitary base in the Lambda Sector of Neutropolis - so we'll be fighting Tyrant's forces and stopping his evil plans there too - plus, there's some concept art that we've been shown that features Mother Mayhem's asylum as a raid setting - and putting 2 and 2 together, I think that'll involve us fighting Tyrant's forces and stopping his evil plans.

    Tyrant and his loyalists are the greatest evil that's been seen in the game so far - an evil that threatens two whole worlds, and forces Heroes and Villains to join forces to try and survive it, and then try and put an end to it.
    There is no "gray" in the meta-story - Tyrant and his followers are the blackest evil the devs have so far created.
    Yes, you've spewed your dogma often and it is as silly now as it always has been.

    Perhaps they have the villain stuff due to programming? In regards to valentines, someone had to work for scratch or Praetorians would need to be left out of the event. I think you read way too much into that.

    The tool tips, the devs, etc all state "Not all resistance are good and not all loyalists are evil" so that flies in the face of your "LOYALISTS ARE EEEEVIL!"

    And again, I find the Resistance members who openly work with Arachnos (the defacto evil of Primal) and bomb buildings and murder innocent civilians for no reason to be far more evil than someone who has done nothing but allied themselves with a group. Actions speak louder than words.
  23. Toony

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino View Post
    Funny thing is, just based on looking at the server load lights, it seems like there's a lot more players on consistently than there were before GR. I almost never used to see any of them in yellow/red apart from virtue and freedom unless there was some sort of event, now most of the list is usually yellow when I log in during prime time.

    So where is the impact of all those players? Were they just players who were already subscribed but not playing very often? Seems a bit farfetched.
    Where are all these players that are here now, really? Not redside, atleast. I'm lucky if I can find a single non-rogue tip team at peak hours on the weekend on virtue. My MM is basically solo only since non-TF teams simply do not seem to exist (atleast not in her level range.)
  24. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    You should go check-out how both sides are flagged for the Valentines event
    Huh....the devs don't agree that loyalists are evil.


    But I guess bombing hospitals and murdering cops=pinnacle of heroism? Resistance has it's hand in that. Also murdering the innocent families of cops.
  25. Toony
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Arilou View Post
    Doesen't matter what you think. If you act against the Resistance the Resistance leaves you. (at least until you regain their trust)
    Which means there is no real choice. Atleast not to me. The moral choice system is near non existant to me.