TerraDraconis

Are you sure the mice didn't steal your thoughts and run away with them? That is what happens with me.

You can find it linked in this thread 4 or 5 pages ago. I think Forbin Project is the one linking to it.

Basically the Positron one has him saying that the incarnate preview was being pulled because there wasn't enough to do with it for it to be a good preview.

Note that it was referred to then and even earlier as a preview. A preview is something that can and often does come to an end.

No he wanted the notice of down time personally hand delivered to him by Matt Miller.

Yes it appears that whatever else is going on the Doctor needs to convince The Silence that he has been killed. If you remember one of The Silence watched from the bluff above.

It feels like a long scam on his part to trick them. I do think a Doctor is going to his death. We have seen that 2 of a person can be created in the time stream and note The Dead Doctor didn't have the TARDIS with him. I think he leaves Craig and at some point soon splits himself. One taking the TARDIS one using that wrist time travel thing. And it is the Second Doctor who actually dies.

Is is possible or even more likely probable that his link to the TARDIS provides that effect for him.

If you don't think the game is worth the money then don't spend the money.

I'm not seeing the problem.

Exactly nothing beyond a preview was ever promised at PAX or on the boards.

The fun part is preview doesn't even imply permanent access to something.

So your preview of the Incarnate system ended with City of Heroes:Freedom.

Not seeing the problem.

Nope. If it wasn't in the advertising copy they where never promised it. Anything a dev mentions during prerelease is subject to change. Anyone buying something based on comments of a dev should be very aware of that and the fact that they are taking a risk that the feature will make it to release.

But the only thing early purchasers where promised was in the ad copy. Not what the devs talked about being features in development.

Perhaps they should have been smart and waited before buying it. The onerous is on the buy to do due diligence particularly when all ad copy doesn't mention which ever feature you think you are buying.

I can believe that going to the store and buying milk includes buying your house. But unless the store advertised that I got your house with a purchase of the milk I didn't buy it.

Where show us the ad offering incarnates as part of Going Rogue?

The pax comments by Positron are not an ad. And as with anything a dev says while something is in development it can change or be removed right up until the thing is released. So it can't count as an advertised promise.

I'm not seeing the problem here. Game company wants to make money. Right and this is bad why?

A dev talking about a feature under development before release is not proof. That is just a dev talking about a feature under development.

If the advertising copy and the box didn't say incarnates included it wasn't included in the final release then.

Really. Ok, if it makes you happy to believe that you just go right along believing it.

Where did they lie? Show it?

You can't can you.

But the page you actually paid on never ever ever made any claim about incarnates. Not ever.

At best there may have been ad copy or something from May or June that mentioned it once and then was pulled. Though I'm thinking all those references apparently go back to comments by Positron at PAX which don't constitute an accurate claim of what will be in the final release, but just what is being worked on.

Anyone making a claim that they bought it from a page stating that it included incarnates is the one needing to prove it at this point. There is plenty of evidence that such a claim was not made on the actual order page.

No.

Actually no.

It is the people who are making the extra ordinary claim that Incarnates where part of the Going Rogue expansion that must prove their case. Eveyone who has looked into it and posted their sources has not found any support for that claim.

Therefore the burden of proof rests on the side making the claim that Going Rogue was advertised as having the full incarnate system included. A preview is not unlocking a system and a preview can end at anytime. That is the nature of a preview.

So it is incumbent upon the people making the claim that purchasing GR also purchased Incarnates to produce the proof of that claim.

Both quotes strongly support the idea that the incarnate system wasn't part of Going Rogue. All that ever was intended was going to be a preview.

Positron - “Alpha Slot Sneak Peek”

War Witch - "a teensy tinsy introduction to the Incarnate System"

Both statements strongly support that idea that at most what had been intended by the dev team was a preview of the system. Not buying the system.

Positron talking about features they currently have in an Alpha/Beta build of an expansion does not equal a promise that said feature will be there on release. Until an issue goes gold any feature can be removed, changed beyond expectation, added, or otherwise folded, spindled, or mutilated.

And if all you have is Positron at PAX as your only source then you have no support for your case. None of official marketing or advertising mentioned incarnates.