Teh_Siph

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In my opinion, Fire should still be the damage king. I mean srsly--it's second affect is DAMAGE. That usually means it should do the most damage. That's what is weird to me.

Psy can still have it's damage, and it's range, but fire should be the lead in damage.

Just my opinion, and I wanted to rant that. Sorry =p

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I feel the same way.


I think anytime Fire is outdamaged by something....it's wrong. Fire's secondary affect is, as you put it, DAMAGE. It should for all good intents and purposes deal damage THE BEST. Period. If something like "Psi" is dealing better damage, that's just plain wrong. It means that Psi gets all the "goodness" of massive damage like Fire has (and more) but ALSO get's full use of REAL secondary affects, such as -rech, stuns, KD's etc. To me, that's just plain wrong..

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I find I can keep my sanity because nothing seems right with new pvp. So if Fire was the most damaging set that would seem out of place.

In the grand scheme it fits right in there with:
-Buffs that do nothing
-Heals that get people killed
-Mez that has almost no effect
-Shields that protect against 2-3 damage types normally suddenly protecting against everything
-Diminished returns
-Supression
-Free resistance
-Free debuff protection
-Slows no longer doing anything
-Aoe damage powers that do less damage than brawl
-Reversal of what powers are your most damaging
-Powerpool attacks often being better than other melee attacks
-and the list goes on.

Seriously if Fire did what it was supposed to it would just be confusing.

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Frosticus, have my babies.

Omg. Seriously. Who cares about Blasters being able to use attacks while mezzed? I'm sorry, but either Dueling or in Zones, attacks not buffed by Build Up or Aim coming at a Dom isn't really anything super special. With Psy being the king of Blaster FotM right now, Psi Dart and Mental Blast are weak. If you know you're toon, use it's strengths, and know when your hold will stop holding the Blaster and use a secondary like KB, you will have no problem killing that Blaster in a Duel, and in a Zone, a held Blaster usually means a dead Blaster (at least when I'm on my Dom/Stalker).

Oh. Well, I consider support and disruption two different roles. Most disruption toons are still viable, just not as viable as they were before.

In my opinion, Heals aren't as useful as they were, however.

When AP, a power that takes health from you, and then makes it so you can't heal after it, heals the same amount as a Respite, I don't think they are where they should be.

Silit, I think I love you.

You really don't get it.

Why would you bring a Support toon, that adds maybe 1-2% defense or res, which means not even resisting one extra attack than you would have without the shield, when you could bring more Damage to the team, and have that slot be filled by something much more effective and worth the slot?

I don't want a support toon to turn me into a PvP god. To start with, I want a support toon to be worth the team slot, and not someone bringing absolutely nothing positive to the team.

You also don't seem to understand what PvP is now, and pretty much always has been in a team/zone setting. Damage, damage, and more damage. When shields add 1-2% resistance or defense, what are they bringing to a team? Pre i13, they were actually something to resist the damage, to get an extra second of being able to pop Hibernate and evade the spike, now they don't do that. You say they are bringing other resistance--End Drain: which is rarely used, and usually it doesn't protect against Heat Exhaustion, which is really the most end drain you will see in a Team setting, Teleportation Resist, which again isn't all that useful when that's all the AT is bringing. There are many more, but they are useless when it is adding a negligible amount.

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Another way of saying this is DR will allow support toons to provide the most def and res to those who lack them the most.

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This is right in a way, and completely wrong in another. Yes, it will allow them to bring more defense and resist to those who lack them, but no one lacks resistance anymore. Even squishies have 40% base, and adding in more resistance will get you up to, what, 45%? (woo hoo, a whopping 5% damage resistance). I agree that support toons should provide buffs that others lack, but when they are providing 2% of a particular buff, that isn't support, that's just lolzy.

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If it were me, I would switch out Aid Self for Tactics, lose Bile Spray and pick up Telekinetic Blast (or push, or whatever it is now--in PvP it does huge damage and KB).

Try to go for a little bit more +damage if you can.

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I tested TK blast last night and I consider myself foolish for not taking it! Thanks for the info. I will rework a build and post it here.

I am meaning to try out the PvP IO's. I hear Mids will have a new version this week.

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At the moment, each one is going from at least 60-500 mil. They're more expensive than purples, atm.

GG Devs.

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Over half my 50s

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Don't even go there. I have 9 50 Kins. A Cold/Son, a Son/Son, a Fire/Em, a Fort, multiple emps...the list goes on.

Of my 22 50's, my Psy/Em, my Em/WP, and my Mind/Fire are the only ones that are worth it.

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Why shouldn't I go there, I also have 22 50s and my Mind/Fire and Elec/Therm (the most recent two which I leveled due to the others being teh suck) are the only good ones left.

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I was just playing. But the worst thing about mine is that half of my 50's are all Kins, and now they are all absolutely worthless.

BUT HEY GUYZ, THE NEW PVP IS TO MAKE EVERYONE PVP WELL.

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You guys are all just rubbing it in that I sold mine for 600m aren't you? >.<

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Honestly, same thing happened to me.

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Over half my 50s

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Don't even go there. I have 9 50 Kins. A Cold/Son, a Son/Son, a Fire/Em, a Fort, multiple emps...the list goes on.

Of my 22 50's, my Psy/Em, my Em/WP, and my Mind/Fire are the only ones that are worth it.

Everything you listed there is affected by DR. Anything from any player that is not a heal, but a shield, is pretty much DR'ed to NOTHING. Even heals can't be relied on anymore--even if you have 10 Emps on you, Heal Suppression will still kick in.

You don't seem to understand that at this moment, in this game that the Devs have changed to make everything playable, they have destroyed the Support class. Any and all buffs are negligible thanks to DR, and that 1-2% from an entire player who is solely based on boosting those is pointless. More damage would be much more useful--which is why we see so few Support toons anymore.

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Hey, training room's going down for I16 beta Soon (TM). Remember when PvPers used to care about that?

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Longest run on sentence ever.

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I was gonna say

HOLY RUN ON SENTENCE, BATMAN.

But you beat me to it =(

Falcon Punch lol. Amazing.

Oh look! It actually did turn out the way the PvPers said it would, but the devs thought they were obviously right and completely ignored us. Hmmmmm....

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Anyone remember when they changed pvp in i13 so we wouldn't have to hear this crap anymore. Totally worth it.


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I think I love you.

If it were me, I would switch out Aid Self for Tactics, lose Bile Spray and pick up Telekinetic Blast (or push, or whatever it is now--in PvP it does huge damage and KB).

Try to go for a little bit more +damage if you can.

I just find on an SO'ed Stalker that after all the actual toggles, Assault doesn't usually get turned on.

Also, I'm playing where I have teammates, and by using my DoT hold and Spirit Shark, I can get the kill not waiting in Hide. Also using AS and Thunder Strike--it all adds up.

Tonight, my friend was on a Mind/ Dom. I would AS his target, hold the nearest person, Placate, AS, Thunder Strike, Spirit Shark, and hopefully he's dead. If one of my AS's didn't go off (I tap AS frequently to make sure it goes off while I'm standing and lag not interrupting me), it usually drains a little end, but in between that, I usually have to hit my heal, too.

Just me though. I would want to try it both ways before I decided. I did the no-Stamina thing before and it did not work out with me.

When a Rad/Psy Defender can beat my Cold/Sonic Defender, then yes, DR does hit -rech. He said he couldn't attack at all once when I had actually tried, but then he killed me before I could attack.

Seriously. And if you're going to say something about the "Snow Storm detoggling"--it doesn't really matter if Snow Storm is helpful, does it? Cool, when not attacking, you can floor rech on your Scrapper. But in a regular duel, you can drop Snow Storm in so many ways, it really doesn't make a difference.

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Wow such hostility over something small and rediculous. Lead with wormhole???? Lol something tells me you don't pvp at all especially in a top level. Your probably one of those lolfightklub peeps. Let me guess I should stand still, not pop, and fight toe to toe. Ha

Post when you lrn2post something that actually makes sense. My complaint is legitamite. Just because I'm not mind and don't want to be a drone and roll flavorfull toons doesn't mean that it isn't.

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It's not legitimate. You want something that's the exact same as Mind, and we don't need another.

Also, Meldash does know what he is taking about, and has been PvPing in a high end setting probably since before you knew what PvP was.

Why would you get Leadership? You're /Wp. The only reason to get Leadership is for the Perception--which you get with Heightened Senses.

Get Stamina--I find that I do end up losing a lot of end when I have a lot of targets. I can't imagine not having it for my Elec/WP.

I do have to say that seriously. Go ingame type [Inferno] and then type [Blaze]. It's lolzy.

And Hoarfrost is huge when you can heal an entire AS.

But ok.

In my opinion, Fire should still be the damage king. I mean srsly--it's second affect is DAMAGE. That usually means it should do the most damage. That's what is weird to me.

Psy can still have it's damage, and it's range, but fire should be the lead in damage.

Just my opinion, and I wanted to rant that. Sorry =p

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I wish they just had one market.

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If this does not come with Going Rogue, I will be on angry ebil marketeer.

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siph you're a dirty mormon

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kk

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Renegades...they never had a bad thing to say about you at least from what I hear.

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lololololol.

Also hi VV.

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I wish they just had one market.

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If this does not come with Going Rogue, I will be on angry ebil marketeer.