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Quote:Then don't take part?...Good grief! Let's not even try to make ANY of the enemies interesting. Seriously, I just want this argument to end. I have a serious migraine right now and these arguments are NOT helping!
The Skulls already are interesting. They have a bunch of background stuff that is NEVER explored in game, like the whole fething POINT about their naming system, their connection to death, yada yada. That doesn't matter for squat if they're just going to throw loads of it out, rather than expand on WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.
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Quote:So do I, because I've never been one of them.It isn't an argument, it's an observation.
The notion that new creative teams are to be SLAVISHLY DEVOTED to preexisting lore simply doesn't exist in the universe of comics, whatever medium they are presented in.
Having a red-faced fit over insignificant alterations to a minor gang that most players don't even notice unless they want a badge and do some street sweeping in Perez is ridiculous.
I love how IT'S A COMIC BOOK GAME BASED ON COMIC BOOKS is such a widespread battle cry given how instantly ready most folk are to ignore that fact when it suits their purpose.
It's a Comic Book INSPIRED Computer Game that is primarily actually about Super Heroes and Villains and not solely limited by Comics alone.
I don't give a flying pony whether it's games, comics, books or parchment-bound stories scrawled in blood; Inconsistency is inconsistency, and ignoring pre-existing canon is doing just that. We might as well ignore ALL canon, EVER, if that's going to be the case.
Someone has to care about this crap. And I'm a writer. *I* care. Deal with it. -
Quote:Almighty Dink,
What are the odds of players ever getting things like the Shock Trooper chest harness?
As much as I hate to say it, necks in this game are wimpy and flimsy looking on everything but Huge models, who have no necks. Stuff like that chest harness (as well as the Resistance chest armor, the Retro Sci-Fi chest armor, and the upcoming Cosmic Corsair back detail) all have a really nice neck guarding element that adds to a character's "visual sturdiness" (a term I coined just now).
And this helps me illustrate my point about the IDF parts; THEY get solid colour and glow colour. Why can't we? Please? -
Quote:Yeah, because THAT'S a really compelling argument...and no comic book universe would EVER do that now, would they.
Oh, wait.
Edit: Do I need to point out, yet again, that this game is NOT a comic book? Despite some peoples apparent belief that it is, and that 'it happens in comics/the industry' is somehow a valid argument? -
Quote:Exactly. I like and care about the CoH lore and canon, which is why this is sticking in my craw so bad.Which pains me as a veteran player-- I personally loved the Hellions and the Skulls, including the symmetrical duality in their looks and beliefs.
The reasons I dislike this change go far beyond the awful accents, stupid hair and way-too-fancy-for-Kings-Row clothing; it wipes away the old group entirely and, if there WERE a lore-centric cottage rule, this redesign would break it.
The Hellions and Skull needed expanding, to feel like proper bad guys and not just place holders until we'd levelled up some. They did NOT need a complete lore whip out, which is what is happening. -
Quote:Old Praetoria = Crappy, goatee-mirrorverse with bad lore that was there to fill level 45-50 missionsGR made a few tweaks to the original Praetorian lore - most people seemed ok with that
Old Skulls = perfectly workable lore that never got expanded and developed because apparently low levels were 'a waste of time' or something that didn't need expanding on. No there is time to expand...and pre-existing workable a lore is scrapped.
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Quote:YES! There it is, I knew I'd read that page before. Thank you.Moreover, it basically retcons all the in-game information about them to date:
http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/game_i...ret_skulls.php
Granted, they could use a little updating visually, but in I24, the Skulls will essentially become an entirely new group that happens to share the name of and some design similarity to the previous Skulls.
So, yeah, TOTAL bloody retcon of what was already perfectly workable law that isn't the same as Praetoria because it was never, ever expanded upon.
They could work all that into the game lore already, and that would be much better than this bloody stupid, brain-dead and badly handled retcon. I call foul! -
Quote:Because the Hmong Tsoo have ALWAYS been a very specific, thematic group. The Skulls have NEVER been that way. The Tsoo are also based on existing, triad-like archetypes that exist in most media types. An archetype that already assumes that not ALL type of said people are evil.QR: Lord, save us all from a surfeit of political correctness!
Fact is, people tend to hang around with... other people like themselves. Its everywhere, you will see it at work, at the mall, standing in line at the grocery-store: like tends to congregate with like. Of course some cross-pollination goes on, but in general this is what you will see.
Please note that I did not say the following: that people SHOULD hang around with their own kind to the exclusion of all others. They should not be FORCED to keep company with only their own.
But its what you see IRL. There are exceptions, but its what you see, pretty much.
I would find it much more jarring to see every group of NPCs consist strictly of one white guy, one black guy and one Asian guy. Man, what next: are we going to hear complaining about how the Tsoo are not 1/3 black or white or something? Be serious, of course an Asian group is going to have *Asians* in it. Does this mean the Tsoo are eeee-vil racists?
The Skull are being kludged into this, and have been kludged BADLY. The Tsoo speak nearly perfect English, although you can easily imagine them having an accent. The Skulls on Beta are like some terrible, badly written parody that are insulting, not because of 'political correctness', which is mostly stupid, but because it's just BAD. Badly written is badly written and badly handled, end of. -
Quote:This is my major beef with it. And, while the visuals of the gang needed an update, their background, dialogue and whatnot did NOT need a big, fat retcon.Out of curiosity - Is there ANY lore that says the Skulls are an ethnic gang? Being founded by a couple of guys named Petrovic means zilch in a country where 98% of the population traces its roots to other continents. My surname is German but I have about as much resemblance to a citizen of Germany as a Ball Park hot dog has to a bratwurst.
If they want to say "Hey, this was a Slavic gang all along" then I'd like to see more background than just "They were founded by a couple of guys with names that sounded like they might be Czechoslovakian or something like it. What more do you need?"
No, I don't like it, and no, I'm not going to shut up about it until something better is done with it, because I KNOW the Dev/Writer team can do better than this, and I don't like half-arsedness that borders on the Bad. -
I was always under the impression that the Petrovic brothers were Marrowsnap and Marrow Drinker. Apparently man-bear-mountain-thing Chernobog is actually one of them. I don't approve of that change. He looks stupid, but...meh.
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I'm no number cruncher, but I'm all for something that makes Mez less of a binary death sentence for certain ATs.
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Quote:Oh, hello Straw Man.I keep forgetting that the possession of an opinion is an internet crime. I'll request a mod lock. I should have figured most of the posts in this thread would be "Why doesn't the OP like this, he must be wrong."
You are welcome to your opinion, and no one is saying you are wrong for having it.
We just don't all instantly agree with you because you say we should. You should NOT be surprised by this. -
The Club hair for men doesn't look good on- ok, RARELY looks good on people, and kudos to those that make it work.
And the 'Slavic' writing can go find a nice, big, spiky burning hole to fall into and die, because it is TERRIBLE. And, having just come out of Atlas with it's 'stop the Skulls recruiting' we KNOW they are no all cheap GTA-esque knock offs. Not the writing teams finest hour, frankly.
Other than those two points? I love it. The skulls they wear look like actual skulls, like it should be, since that's where they get them. I don't mind some of the Leadership being Slavic, but every single ganger? No. That's as stupid as saying the Council only recruit Italians, or the 5th only recruit Germans. It's kludgey, badly done and borderline offensive. -
Dink, if it's you then this is for you, if it's someone else, please pass this one on;
Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepl easeplease with sprinkles on top can we get alternative versions of the IDF gloves, chest detail and shoulders, along with the new Tech Knight gloves on test, where the second colour ONLY effects the glow? The Tech Knight shoulder, chest detail and boots currently obey this rule, but the gloves get this big, ugly patch of colour all over it.
Example; I want to have black gloves with a blue glow; I can't. I get black gloves with a massive blue patch as well as the blue glow. That really sucks for nearly every concept I have with those pieces. Same with the IDF parts. The IDF NPCs get solid glove colour with a different colour glow, so why can't we have that option? Please, I'm begging here -
Quote:I think you mean the other way around. Women have about five sit poses that are all the same damn emote. It's really annoying. I want some characters to be able to slouch and put their arms over the back of a sofa tooI do find it annoying that a lot of women's sit poses aren't ported over from males.
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Quote:You mean the one we don't have any Rocket Launcher models for?Congrats. The devs have already added a rocket launcher power to the game. They call it LRM Rocket and it's in the Munitions Mastery Epic Power Pool. It was added to the game when Issue 3 went live on Jan 2005, and the pool becomes available to Blasters at level 35.
I can put up with redraw if I could just get the launcher model the Council and 5th use....
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Did you suddenly swap from past to present tense in the paragraph where Mako first speaks, Fab?
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Quote:Oh for heaven sakes, I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT TRAVESTY WAS GOING TO EXIST! CURSE YOU!!*looks at the next Ninja Turtles movie, lets out a slow sigh and walks away slowly*
How the pancake does Michael Bay keep getting work? Really? He has the freakin' touch of death on movies. I can literally count on one hand how many of his films I'd consider actually enjoyable... -
Quote:Yeah, re-makes can be a good thing. Like the Amazing Spiderman, which was much better than the old Spiderman movie. Quite possibly because it didn't have Toby 'One Face' Maguire in it...I like Keanu Reeves a lot, but all this sequel & remake business is getting a bit frustrating. I feel like there are many interesting stories out there that could be told, and it's unnecessary to just regurgitate the same stuff over and over :-).
That being said, sequels can be done well, it just seems that they frequently, well, aren't. It surprises me that actors want to do sequels. I guess it's better to want to do one than to be contractually obligated, but not want to do one.
~Freitag
But......eeeugh....Hollywood is more stagnant than a mouldy swamp in a bad B movie now...
Still not as bad as Bayformers 4 will be, though ¬¬ -
I wasn't taking part, but I think you Community guys really need a pat on the back and certain people to cut you some slack. Seriously, I don't think they appreciate the effort put into stuff like this.
If it's 'Nemesis/Rikti/Giant Boogers' invasion with the standard code, they complain.
If it's actual manual triggered invasion events, they still complain.
What was that quote someone came up with about sequential dollar bills? That seems appropriate here. Just saying. -
What Azure said, exactly.
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Oh, for the ability to give enemies passive resistance and defences (like real NPCs...) without having to give them Invul or WP or something. To be able to make something with ranged/melee/armour like NPCs have, not Ranged/Armour/Too cheap to have brawl...
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((And, following on from previous…))
St Martial, Giza Strip
Traffic was gridlocked. The truck driver, who had the terrifically exciting name of Steve, sat back and smacked the dashboard with annoyance before resigning himself to the long wait. Forms, filing and HR could go to hell, he was getting over-time for this.
Steve twiddled the dials on the dashboard for a moment, before settling on a station with decent music.
You gave them all those old time stars
Through wars of worlds - invaded by Mars
You made 'em laugh - you made 'em cry
You made us feel like we could fly
There was a brief burst of static, which earned the dashboard another thump.
So don't become some background noise
A backdrop for the girls and boys
Who just don't know or just don't care
And just complain when you're not there
You had your time, you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Radiooooooooooo!
Free Opportunity…
Steve blinked a second later. Had the thing…
He stared at the dashboard for a moment, before shaking his head. He was tired, annoyed and in dire need of some coffee and something deep-fried and smothered in bacon. He’d be seeing flying pigs next. At least that would mean flying bacon…
You've yet to have your finest hour
Radiooooooooo! Free Opportunity! -
((Created thanks to the Mako week giving me ideas. What if ))
Grandville Tower, Early Evening
The dark, metallic door hissed quietly back into place behind the tall, dark figure. Spider arms shifting and twitching around him, Lord Recluse paced slowly towards the bizarre setup in the middle of the room.
It had actually taken a second Strike Team to retrieve the blasted thing, after the slouched and previously immobile crowd had suddenly burst into life and, frankly, mobbed the first team to death. Some of the defenders had been Arachnos, for Tartarus sakes!
And now here it was, complete with the mouldy, slouched old sofa that had been sat in front of it.
With no better option, Recluse moved around and sat on the thing, the beaten old springs groaning as he did so. He sat forward, fingers drumming against each other as he watched and waited.
I know you are not what you seem, he said eventually. It is not normal for such as you to turn hated foes into brainless, passive watchers.
At first it said nothing. Then, abruptly, it burst into life, a bright flash of light and sound.
Welcome, to the News at Seven! Did you know that Television is actually good for your health? Thats right, you heard it here first!
The Lord of the Isles rested his right elbow on his knee, fingers drumming at chin level on his helmet as he stared at the seemingly non-descript television set.
What are you?
A scene from a war film suddenly replaced the news feed.
You cant handle the truth!
That is not the sort of answer I am looking for.
The picture abruptly swapped again to what looked like a pre-school program, hosted by a frumpy, middle aged woman in a knitted cardigan and with sensible hair.
Aww, whos pulling such a grumpy faaaace?
There was a complaining of springs as Recluse leant forward, a spider arm stretching out and resting against the TVs screen, before being dragged slowly diagonally across the display, resulting in a horrible scraping sound.
The TV screamed. The image was suddenly that of fleeing people, running from some invisible threat in the movie but also, apparently, from the progress of the sharp metal blade. Eventually Recluse withdrew the bladed arm, leaving the screen with a new, pale white scar across it.
Have I made my point clear? he growled.
There was a long pause, the television screen displaying a Do not adjust your set! error message. Then it returned to motion, a stereotypical military man from some low budget movie throwing a salute.
Yessir.
Good. What sort of thing are you?
The scene swapped to what looked like a sci fi action film, where a hologram was talking to a detective.
Im sorry, but my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.
Very well are you alive?
There was a longer pause, so much so that Recluse raised a bladed-arm again, hovering it threateningly close to the screen. The screen flickered and shifted channels rapidly, punctuated by bursts of static, before eventually settling on a stern, moustached man presenting a quiz show.
That would be Correct.
The TV swapped rapidly again, before catching the end of a sentence in a science documentary.
-in a manner of speaking.
Recluse sat back, nodding slowly.
I see. Then you may be of some use to me Perhaps Aeon can unravel just what you-
The Television growled with static, shifting channels again until it settled on what looked like an old version of a British detective film.
Elementary, my dear chap. The man is an idiot.
The Lord of Many Arms allowed himself a thin smile.
In that case, this is my offer. You can either be of use to me or Aeon can have you, with or without your protests. To do with you as he sees fit. Am I clear?
There was silence, the screen displaying the Do not adjust error message, before returning to one of the military films, with a square jawed Sergeant receiving orders he didnt look best pleased about, but seemed resigned to.
Roger that. Understood.
Good.