Tainted_Greek_EU

Congrat Ec weel done

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we wil rule!

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You will die before you blink

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i knw what the PvP zones r lol

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Funny cause you never inside them

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well i decided with my mates, we gonna try this out. 3 fire/rad controllers, AV takedown pvp fear. hehe

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When you get them to 50 come actually in a pvp zone instead of staying in PvE. Btw PvP zones are Sirens,Warburg,Bloody Bay. Peregrine Island is not a PvP zone. Also remember in CoH pvp there is no XP. Good Luck with the endeavour

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No your forgetting the fact my PC needs to go back and so is a bigger factor than how I feel on the day. No PC no attendance. THATs what I meant by maybe maybe not. Look at thats post again and you will find I made the feeling about community events as an after thought. Easy mistake to make so well done for pointing it out and giving me the oppertunity to clear that up. I was refering to the unstable PC for which I am posting to you from.

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On that note apologies then cause i understood differently from the way that post is worded.

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No TG THAT remark wasnt supportive. Nor do I pretend it was. This however still doesnt take away that I had supported Hammi raids very recently and very publicly. Its last few days I lumped in the feelings I get with community events alike. But I even oddly enough spoke to a new level 50 just minutes ago and said he should go to at least one. So there you have it.

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I dont have anything, what i really got is a whole thread with the purpose of people signing up for a community event and a single individual using that thread to indicate that the community events are a drag and that he might or might not appear depending on the mood doing the community a favour. Thats how it strikes and its the single post in there written like this.

I ignore everything else said on here since i said to me is already closed but just something last.

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I have suppoerted Hammi raids in recent past even on Evo chat just a few weeks ago saying I hope bad run of luck hasnt put people off.

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I quote you Lode from the Hami Raid thread:

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But I haveto say community events are becoming a drag last two months. So maybe, maybe not.

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This isnt supportive.

EDIT:i had a big post but removed it cause i said i stay out.

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you are making the mistake of others readng this and missing out tht I have seen a steady decline.

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You are missing out i have seen a steady positive direction since day one. Whats your point?

I am out of this thread and this is my last post as its obviously going down burninating.

well done Ex!!! congratz!!!

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The matter of people on my friends list being ignorant was the straw that broke the cammels back and made me think there was something wrong with the community. The months leading toit slowly made me see it that way. Along with other peoples assesment of it all. Was not one incident it has been for some time a growing feeling of constant decline ending in this example. No more true emphesis should be placed on it than any other point made here by anyone.If you think that is the be all and end all of my need to post think again.

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Apparently then you need specify reason why the community is going down cause if you read everyone's posts around here they all advise you to not mind the people that treat you bad and move on getting new friends. Obviously i am not the only one to be thinking that you base the whole community issue on your friends list. Make a list and state what you think is wrong so it is actually understood.

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As is trying to use excuses like "I have been here for a year with one month off and you have had lots of time off so Im not in tune with my surroundings. Get a clue. Its clutching at straws and the longest time I have had out at once was a forced two weeks. Not long enough for me to become a stranger again. People still recognised me.

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Thats no excuse thats a fact. As for recognition i dont see how it has to do anything with all that. Bottom line is that apparently you missing community has evolved due to to the nature of the game.An old part of it was lost and and some new parts were gained. You dont seem able to deal with it for some reason and this is being called a community derail when is not. I not see anyone feeling the same and tbh like i said in a really wide circle of discussions people are pleased from the community unity except the standard annoyance from the EULA breach on broadcasts.

You still think there is issue?fine.Make a post and propose the changes you feel are necessary for this community to get back on the way and to be saved from the doom that is obviously heading.And all that agree may follow the proposed changes.

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Its clear by now Im not backing down surely? And as to why are some of the people I speak of not saying anything mostly its due to reprisals as Im told or that they agree but couldnt waste their energy on this debate as its a lost cause to mkae the tribes change their ways. And thats really sad.

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yes and i am sure these people care loads for this community when there is no speaking up regarding a place you come to everyday.To me this sounds pretty much like turning the back when u actually consider not participating in a constructive debate and using the cba attitude.

And just like whoever doesnt speak up cause they cant waste energy on changing the tribes as they call it same goes for everyone that finds nothing really wrong. And tbh i cant waste anymore evergy as well since the people actually have the issue dont bother to speak up to at least help themselves. This community rox,is friendliest place you can find online, people are helpful kind and always nice to each other and new players with the odd tool exceptions that should be petitioned till hell freezes over.
As for repirsals i think the reprisals ended with the Inquisition so its a pretty dll excuse to say you are afraid the reprisals in a game.

Me personally i am not convinced thats about it and i leave it agreeing to disagree with the whole thing. Of course thats just me.

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My advice was just for those people who are upset because they view Defiant as a bad community; whether it's true or not, the only real thing that matters is someone's opinion. If the OP is so very upset about what he believes to be true, to the point of cancelling an account, then all effort should be directed towards trying to get him to believe otherwise.

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Apologies i actually misread what u said earlier.(is all Greek to me etc..)

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I'm still not decided as to whether cliques are a good or a bad thing. I adore my friends and will do anything for them, yet I don't want to have to cut off another potential friend just because he/she doesn't get on with...TG, say.

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I will still harpoon you stase *harpoons*

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If just one of you can make a new friend, you might be able to start to re-build your community.

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The problem here is that Defiant community doesnt need rebuild since its exactly the same mostly although some people who were really loved in this community have gone. The only problem that has risen up is the amount of tools spitting abuse and profanity across channels and harassment at every given opportunity and should be petitioned at every chance till support takes action. No rebuild really necessary and certainly no broken community as the OP makes it appear which is totally wrong and has created a situation out of the blue.

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can u plz pm me who sent u this pm?

EDIT: this thread is obviously as Syn said for the server population that have proven themselves within the PvP zones indeed since the teams are mainly consisted from the server champions and people that generally are very focused on PvP.My advice would be to start getting some practise in the Defiant PvP zones and maybe attend some PvP nights on Defiant to start getting the hand of it

Still there was no reason for such a pm i think

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Well as I see it, someone was kind enough to tell him that he wouldnt get an invite, and explain how these matches work. I think you see it the wrong way TG. It wasnt to put him down, just to tell him, that there is a difference between lvl's of PvP.

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oh in that case different story as he didnt present it like this.

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And hey its are community in the end and its up to those of us who have been here a long time to set an exemple to the new guys.

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I really believe that this kinda sums it up all for me personally. It was never claimed that the community is what it was half a year ago but then again it got better at points while lost at some others. However one thing it kept is a strong core of long term players that try to keep it together (look a tthe oldest server SG's)with a lot of new players joining in this effort.Instead of pointing out that the community is facing a dooms path set imho there should be more effort put in actually setting the example and trying to change things around. Like Avernal said and many others pointed out after reading the OP:

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The only real advice I can offer you as a friend is that if you are finding the behaviour of certain groups of players to be unacceptable, and that it is ruining your gameplay experience, your best course of action would simply be to stop associating with those people and spend your time with others.

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I wont go on regarding this thread anymore unless is really necessary.This place has had its ups and downs and in the face of waiting another issue to come out overdramatic posts of community derail, when the overall opinion is pointing that despite some issues that have come up lately, dont really help.This place goes on as always and with a pulse strong as ever at its core with people added along the way that do their best to help around people (*points Avernal as an example and his work on the Technical part of the forums that proved to be invaluable,Lost Ninja and Khaine star on the suggestions forum,supergrouphub from FW's etc).

Already play an all controller team on Defiant with a mix of powersets. PvPed and PvE....killed infernal in around 20 sec before we kill the portal actually...good fun you should try it out.

Congratz Shin! Another one for HU

can u plz pm me who sent u this pm?

EDIT: this thread is obviously as Syn said for the server population that have proven themselves within the PvP zones indeed since the teams are mainly consisted from the server champions and people that generally are very focused on PvP.My advice would be to start getting some practise in the Defiant PvP zones and maybe attend some PvP nights on Defiant to start getting the hand of it

Still there was no reason for such a pm i think

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And the testimonies of my friends mean nothing? You use only the forums as a way to determine the state of play? Id look beyond where your gettin your info.

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If you read what i said you will find out i said that for me it all sums up from the posts made here plus the discussions that took place within the game.And i have a really really wide circle of friends which makes a pretty good indicator. There players out there that are part of the long term population and are well known for their calmness and neutral stance on things like this that were pretty vertical regarding their disagreement on this whole thing. And this means a lot.Of course your friends opinion count the problem is what is exactly their opinion and the reasons they agree with you.

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Repeats annoying you? Well no point doing them is there?

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Well if the drama keeps on seems we ll be going round and round.Plus i didnt say they annoy me.I can go on all day supporting what i firmply believe till something makes me change mind and that would be a valid arguement which till now has not been provided anywhere.


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Its true more will be lost for long standing members id the community goes downhill. But when ego trips kick in rationality goes out the window. Well known fact.

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Yes true but the people that actually compose the core of the community meaning the long term players that care for this community dont have ego issues.Otherwise some things around here wouldnt have changed to the best.

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Didnt flame no but some of it has been borderline.

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Feel free use the notify moderator option.I posted nothing but my arguemets.As everyone very well knows i dont mumble what i have to say i say it loud and clear even if it annoys others. Thats me. I wont wrap things up in a nice cover so its nice rosey.I give you the truth no matter if it hurts or not. I didnt use derogatory terms, i am still in healthy debate mode and certainly respect your opinion but i disagree totally with the majority of what is said and the way it is presented.

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In the end dont want to listen?

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if i didnt want to listen i wouldnt post in first place.I post cause most of all i care as i stated for this community. Healthy disagreement is a sign of progress.I didnt flame and of course i listened every single thing was said here.

I dont zoom in one part but simply some parts strike out too much and need to be debated.As i said above from the 12 pages now of posts i quoted the places where you find indeed some people worrying regarding some server issues that mainly focus if you check the posts regarding the certain increase of abuse over broadcast channels and profanity spat out. I can point out as it was said that there is an individual that was responsible for the whole war climate as well as a bunch of people that thought it was fun to slag him repeatedly over broadcast. It has been said this is bound to change as there is effort on both sides and petition is your friend as Bridger pointed out.

As far as the rest of your complaint the summary comes down to this

1)cliques, the debate here tends to show that cliques are and will be the nature of MMO however the CoH clique is mainly people sticking with their SG's/coalitions/friends after so long in this game

2)Some change in the community that obviously made the community a bad place to be since you are making goodbye post and you not really wanna log on

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Out rhetoricing me really has done nothing other than give support to those who agree with you

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I cannot possibly outrhetorice you since English is not my native language and all i do is present my arguements and reasons i support something. If you feel i outrhetorice you means my arguements have some basis.I dont make up the arguements i have presented so far.All is based from my experience within this community which is pretty big since i am here since the start plus i have been active within the community since the start and i seen it in all stages till now.Tbh from the people that posted now supporting the fact that things are not so doom as they are presented noone has anything to gain.In fact is well known that if a situation like this existed the long term members have more to lose right now from a derailing community.So if this was the case indeed it would be expected that most would have spoken up and said exactly that so that there is some action taken.

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In the end dont want to listen? I dont want to talk.Im sick of repeats back and forth. Its getting nowhere.

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If you not want to talk as i said is up to you everyone has listened and the 12 pges posts seem that there was a debate about. as i said i listen and disagree cause i saw nothing that supports the whole arguement plus the overall experience and testimonies of a large amount of people seem to support the opposite.

If you are sick of repeats back and forth guess what i am.

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Im sorry you feel that way TG. But it seems you havent taken in much of what I said at all. That other people are getting this worse than me. And some have posted here expressing this feeling.

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Please specifically post out specifically the parts and the posters here that express the same as you cause i am going throught the thread now and except this:

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Spot on Lode....agreed.

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i really fail to see any other posts supporting the original post

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I would feel better if the regular day to day biz were more open as public events are pouring perfume on the proverbial pig in some cases.

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I would quote every single post on this forum but i cant go through 10 pages to start copy all these posts saying that there is not really much of a problem long term and new players that is.

As far as the community events goes we might as well stop having any cause simply they seem to serve nothing no?

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When I see a bit of lift in the stonewalls maybe then Ill feel more at ease. If you dont agree I hope you at least see my postion.

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i dont agree and actually i see your position in terms of you need a new global friends list thats about it and to chill out and enjoy the game.I hope this whole thing that annoys you and whoever created it to you goes by. To me i stand in my position this is overdramtized and i am not alone in this.

EDIT going throught all the posts now so i have to say that there is actually the following:

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The community has taken a downturn for the worse since I took my break 4 months ago, just prior to I6 coming in. It seems less friendly than before, and people are more willing to jump down people's throats nowadays, which definitely wasn't the case before CoV came out.

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I too have felt a shift in the community in the last few months. Not within our SG and coalition, its stronger than ever but the general community has deteriorated sharply.

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This to me isn't a new phenomenon. I think you have already pointed out the reason why its affecting you now, friends you had in game have left and you have ended up on the outside looking in.

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but i point out that these posts dont speak about community as going downhill but simply the change that took place except Sar's post.

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Lode posted originally because he was feeling less a part of things on the server as a whole, mainly because people he thought of as in-game friends are actively ignoring him and his requests for teams. The discussion has wandered off topic I feel.

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I think personally the OP created a community issue when there wasnt actually one and overdramatized to a doomsday situation where there is some short of salvation necessary.
Thats my opinion.

And feeling less part of the server cause your global friends ignore means is time to change the global friends list and not blame the community as whole.

Congratz Harkat well done

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the friendliest faceplanting blaster on Defiant

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I dont know about the faceplating part! but the friendliest indeed lol!!

hope u fix this soon

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Supergroup invite spam. A lot of newer players to the game will accept blind SG invites, and learn what passes for normal ingame from people who can be less than polite. Not meaning to be up on my high horse, but I used to think SG's that invite blindly deserve people that accept blind invites - changed my mind lately, however, as many new players simply do not know what basic courtesies used to be present server-wide and are now resigned to established SG's and private channels. There ARE good players coming into the game, of course (TANC has had the good fortune of coming across several of late), but oh so very many are snapped up by supergroups which simply do not deserve the title and are either put off the game or pick up bad manners.

/acidmode_off

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This is true. Also this is another indication of what goes on really on Defiant. Tanc is one of the oldest SG's just like the Femme Fatales and FW as well as PD's. They havent closed the doors to anyone and yet they invite people new to the game and try their best to make them feel comfortable and welcome. And they are not the only ones these are just the first examples that pop in my mind. Order of Crucified swords has been also one of the SG's that has been keeping the community flag regarding new players up since the day Plight created the SG. Backtracking the forums will show that to new players that asked for a place in this community on the forums there were always friendly posts from most SG's inviting them amongst their ranks and this still goes on. Yes there are SG's out there that make new players life a horror, yes there have been there since day 1. That doesnt mean anything since the majority in this community thrives for excellence and always tries its best as its pretty obvious from the posts around here and the discussions that go on on this subject within the server. The few exceptions thats try ruin the whole server spirit survive only for a little time and then they come to understand that in order to fit in this community they need to leave at the doorstep of the server any harassment,abuse,profanity they carry within them otherwise they are bound to be burried under petitions and be pointed as examples to be avoided.

I have a player in my SG that in the past there was an incident he had griefed in Peregrine island. For ages i held him in low regard till one day i actually sat down and talk to him as he asked to join our SG. After i explained him what he did wrong and he realised his mistake today he hasnt let out a single comment of abuse or profanity and treats everyone in the best possible way and we are actually proud of him cause he displays maturity beyond his age. I said last night in a convo i say it here again, i love this place feels like second home the day it will all be gone down the drain will be also the day i and i am sure most of the long term people here will be hanging the capes for good and setting off to new places.This community goes on live and strong just like day 1 it just has more to face everyday as its only natural due to the continuous evolvement of the game. The core of this community is growing as well though and simply keeps getting stronger and stronger. Without all this today this place would be down the drain already.

Gratz to the triplete out there