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That is an awesome option. No more fill requests. I probably can get even level AVs without going Invincible from what it sounds like. That feature may be my favorite.

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If they let us solo TFs/Trials the smileys will go into overload!



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Let's not get crazy now!

Seriously, though, to the best of my knowledge we won't be changing minimum sizes of TF's/SF's. The minimum sizes stand as "warning labels" to newer players that these missions are more difficult/time consuming/whatever than other missions. It's a small, but important function.

EDIT: By the way, in the meeting where this feature was proposed I specifically mentioned that "Perfect Pain is going to love this change." Glad to see, at least on first glance, I was right!

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I really think the big warning sign could be something else. For example, allow people to run it, but have a box pop-up before accepting the mission that says "This task force is designed to be handle by (howeever-many) people! If you attempt the task force with less than the recommended number, it is possible you will not be able to complete it."

'Tis the clobbering hour.

But no. It's the actual time an attack takes to animate and finish communicating with the server. Server ticks occur every 0.132 seconds. This means the server can only process a new command from the user (that's you!) every 0.132 seconds. So, the actual animation time of an attack has to be rounded up to the nearest multiple of 0.132. That's a really short, kind of crappy answer to a complicated question. Hopefully you understood what I'm saying.

But, that actually leaves me with a question of my own. Why do we round up plus one? I don't understand that.

Not entirely true, Bill. You can get somewhere around 85% def debuff res on Shields with perma-double-stacked Active Defense and Grant Cover.

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Actually, many of us who did completely unwholesome things with */regen did it by layering gobs of other defensive mechanisms on top of IH as possible. Very few "top end" builds (which, compared to now, were largely laughable in that they were generally completely by level 40) didn't stack as many forms of +res and +def as possible. You could get plenty of survivability from IH, but if you really wanted to push the envelop beyond where the devs intended (at least past where they intended with the first few */regen nerfs), you slotted up Resilience, Tough, Weave, CJ, and anything else you could get your hands on.

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I did forget Resilience, yeah. But I still don't really consider it "layering." Back then, there wasn't as much you could use to layer things. It really does count as layering, I suppose. It's just hard to think of it that way given how drastically IOs have changed the idea. :P

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Slow isn't what you're thinking of, or, if it is, it isn't exactly what you're thinking. Slow, as you're using it, is actually recharge debuff. Slow effects, as most people use it, are either the movement debuff (like with Hot Feet and Quicksand) or the combination of movement and recharge debuff (like with the Ice Blasts). I don't really care whether */regen gets any movement debuff resistance. In fact, I don't even think it really applies. However, */regen needs recharge debuff resistance bad, and I've been saying so for a long time (re: since adding debuff resistance to sets was actually considered).

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Yeah, I meant recharge resistance. They're the exact same to me, so I always use them interchangeably. I believe that's how the game mechanics work as well. Anything the provides "slow resistance" provides protection against recharge debuffs and movement speed debuffs (Winter's Gift unique, Quickness, Temperature Protection, etc).

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The stated reason that */wp has regen debuff resistance and */regen doesn't is that */regen has click heals to get it through periods of regen debuffs whereas */wp doesn't. Castle actually told us this.

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Well, WP has +res and +def , so I'm calling bupkis on that one. I don't doubt that he said it, to clarify. I just don't agree with his sentiment.

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Of course, I still think it's annoying that Castle designed a defensive powerset around doing what */regen used to do and was considered too strong for doing, namely, stacking multiple methods of damage mitigation with absurd levels of damage recovery. Couple that with */wp having greater levels of debuff resistance and greater scope of mez protection and it just gets worse.

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Now, to be fair, Regen didn't stack stuff. At most, it would stack Tough+Weave and maybe CJ. Not really "stacking" anything there. It ran IH constantly. You never even took the clickies, except Dull Pain because it helped buff your regen from IH. :P The only thing it "stacked" was regen through Health+FH+IH.

Aside from that, yeah. I agree with your post. I always wonder what people are thinking when they say "Regen needs -regen res!" No, it needs SLOW res. And a good chunk of it. But apparently Castle disagrees.

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. The DPS is definitely going to be lower on the Inv, but the survivability is going to be higher. Hopefully, though, there are some holes in the defenses (on both builds) that could be bridged. Maybe bring all of the defenses up on the Regen, and bring up EN and FC on the Inv without losing damage. Another problem for the Inv build, however, is the vastly lowered accuracy on all of the attacks. All of them except Focus have Kinetic Combat, so they only have 22.94% accuracy. I moved a slot from Health into a def power for +6 % tohit, but that's still not nearly enough.

Ah hell. Time to calculate the DPS of each.

Not taking in double-stacked Follow Up or Build Up procs (or terrible slotted accuracy for the Inv) or +end procs, the Inv has a DPS of 147.92 and a total end loss of .64 e/s. That means it runs out of end in 177.5s. With some +end procs, that should be able to make it back to Conserve Power with relative ease. The Regen has 198.2 DPS (! did not expect it to be that radically different) and has a net end loss of 0.72 e/s (no Tough running), running for 152.7... sec, easily reaching Conserve Power thanks to Hasten, even considering Hasten downtime I would imagine. Of note, however, is that the Gaussian's build up is in Follow Up for the Inv rather than in Tactics like for the Regen. That means it would be up slightly more often, but not enough to come close to closing the gap. Not to mention the Regen is going to have double FU for more - and better - attacks. Probably just one more Slash instead of a Strike, but that's still a large difference.

All right, plain and simple, I really want to level either one of these. Specifically, I want one for AVs, survivability, etc. Unfortunately, I can't decide which I like more right now.

The Regen build I threw together has 32.6% melee def, 20.7 ranged and AoE def, about 30-ish seconds downtime on Hasten, attack chain Slash->Follow Up->Slash->Focus with no gaps.



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The Inv has 46.2% SL def, 38.7% EN def, and 29.9% FC def (all with one foe), 67.5% SL res, 20.5% FC, 11.1% EN, picks up Aid Self, I think it runs the same attack chain as the Regen but has to tack on a Swipe at the end (I haven't checked the numbers, also, it's inferior because of subpar slotting), and it looks like it may run into end problems (again, didn't check the numbers). It's also a lot cheaper since it has absolutely no purples, but that's not a huge difference to me. Plus, it actually gets some Def debuff res.



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Any thoughts on which is going to pull off AV soloing better is very welcomed. Tweak around the builds all you want. They're not concrete at all aside from the obvious stuff. Help me out! Werner, if you read this, maybe see how they rank in your survivability spreadsheet.

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What I'm thinking is that Bill had to have both of the procs in Slash (since it's the only Claws attack with -Def), while your BS build may have had them in two different powers. One in Hack and one in Slash for example. If that's correct, maybe the procs only work when slotted in seperate powers. This would hurt our theorycrafting of Claws quite a bit.

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Achilles' Heel is a Def Debuff IO. The Fury of the Gladiator proc is a PbAoE IO. There is no power available to Claws that can slot them both. The BS build however can slot them both in the same attack because both Headsplitter and Slice accept Def Debuff and PbAoE sets.

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Well, that's what I get for not looking into the new IOs very well. &gt;_&gt; I'll blame the lack of a Mids' update.

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I'm beginning to seriously doubt the belief that the two different types of DR debuff procs stack.

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They stack.

You're just doing it wrong, Bill.

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Huh. Maybe both parties are right in this case?

What I'm thinking is that Bill had to have both of the procs in Slash (since it's the only Claws attack with -Def), while your BS build may have had them in two different powers. One in Hack and one in Slash for example. If that's correct, maybe the procs only work when slotted in seperate powers. This would hurt our theorycrafting of Claws quite a bit.