St_Angelius

I can assure you they don't, Arcarna's toon lacks primaries that are essential to neo's concept but has more of the primaries attack that don't fit in neo's build. Remus just looked at the builds, in passing i might add as he is under the mistaken impression that neo flies, which he doesn't, and made incorrect assumptions as to what powers were put in to replace the slots freed up by inherant fitness. Then goes on to critasize the build and my un-smart choice of powers and slots. Basicly, Neo doesn't fit into his narrow definition of a good build, so is completely dismissing it in as an example of how it is diferent from another blaster with the same primary and secondary powers.

er, no, i did not sacrifice any powers from my secondary, I gained 1,, boost range, I also gained the 3 fighting pool powers, someting my build was too tght to fit in before. SS and SJ were both in my build before, I wasn't forced to take them.

You also didn't look very well at my build, Neo chamber doesn't fly, he does run and jump. and in aition to my 2 sotted manouvers I do also have CJ, weave and temp invulnerability for always on defences, and tough for always on resistance as well as click powers in PFF and force of nature.

Then to top it off, you are suggesting we both build just like you do and make our very different blasters more alike? Seriously?

Our builds may not work for you, but they work for me and Arcarnaville. and work very well thank you.

Then I refer you once again to the build's both Arcarnaville and I posted for our Engry/Energy/Force Blasters and and ask you to tell everyone here how me and Arvana were forced into identical buils with inherant Stamina.

Got there before me. That's exactly what I did.


Well, first let me dissagree about boost range. Far from the worst power in the AT, and my Archery/engergy blaster, Tess Trueshot knows it when she is sniping from beyond the draw distance of the game.

And as for the rest of what you wrote, show just how blinkered you are with builds. I didn't suddenly gain 3/4 new power pick with no slots to put in them, I gained the ability to take the powers I would have loved to have fitted in the build but couldn't and than move slots from powers that were just put there for somewhere to go in the original build.

And as for cotume options being a useless gimmick. You do realise that the "robust character creator" was, and has been since launch, a major selling feature. The ability to have a completly unique looking character is a huge plus for this game, and thematically apropriate. It also adds hugly to the diversity in the game. Just because you dislike it that is no reason to remove it when the vast majority love it.

So, you are playing a game, where you care so little about your characters individuality (you hate the continually growning costume creator), and complain got their stories feature their (Paragon studio') characters. Please, name me an MMO, remotely on par with CoH that doesn't feature that worls major figures? Would you play LOTR:O and complain that there is too much of The Fellowship featured in the mission? Or how about that direct competition who's IP is bassed on a comic book universe rather tat a PnP RPG. Would you complain that Batbloke, Super Dude and Green Lamp are featured too much? oh, and btw, I would recomend that game as I've heard their character creator is severely limited as you obviously aren't happy here.

And for comparison, here's what the build for my Energy/Energy/Force blaster looks like:

As you can see, very different power picks, Different slotting, different numbers. I'm not even tempted to copy Arcana's build, it doesn't fit neo as a character or me as a player Arcarna's toon may have better overall survivability, but neo would survive longer in certain situations, Arcarna's toon may do more damage mor often but mine can do so from much further away. There is nothing in the game mecanics tha prevents either of these builds no-viable, or even discourages them.

I do believe GG asked for your ideas to improve gameplay WITHOUT gimmicks!

Not to say some of the things you list aren't good ideas, but they are all gimmicks.

I never have been on auto piolt planning a build, and very rarely do I choose all, or even 8/9 of the powers from primary and secondary build, if you do it speaks more of your decline in tactical thinking than Mine. I have 3 blasters at 50, only 1 has any form or incarnate abilities so far, and then only teir 2 alpha, don't have the time or hardware for ifarms, and all 3 play very differently. Neo Chamber is energy/energy/force, 8 primary, 4 secondary, 4 epic, the rest are from 4 pools, he's pretty much your standard blaster, not much for close range, brawl, kick, power thrust sands of mu, but he can take a fair battering that other blasters don't. Tess Trueshot is n extreme range sniper Acrchery/energy/munition, with 8/5/3 power picks giving her 2 snipes. and built for range and regularly hunts EB's solo on outdoor maps but starting off beyond the draw distance of my gameing rig and getting 3 snipes in before they can hope to shot back.

Lastly I have Psi-Fire, my mezzing blaster tank, Fire/MM/Flame with 5/6/3 powers taken from those pools, her play style is following on the tanks heels confusing and disorinting anything that comes near then melting them. her pool picks help her survive doing this. If, like you I took all the powers from my primary and secondaries I wouldn't. so please, tell me again how I'm forced into the same build as everyone else!

That sounds like a very interesting build, not one i think would work for neo, but still, very nice. I had an SG mate help out with neo's build, gained tough, weave, maneuvers and repulsion bomb. endeded up with 48.2% smashing and 45.7% lethal resistance, 12.7-23.1% for typed defence and 12.7/21.2/14.3% for M/R/AOE defence. end use went up, but due to better slotting so did recovery and better status resist too. Only on T2 cardiac alpha core so far and loving it, and this is a theme toon not a min/maxed one. no power push an none of the melee attacks from energy manip. yes, i know i miss out on some mitigation, but it's not much of a problem as if i really get in trouble I can cap s/l resistance and get 51-58% in the rest (except psi) from force of nature, and if things really go belly up, still have PFF 82-92% to all defences, plus cap all resistance if FoN is still running as a panic button, if I remember it is there.

Does anyone else use a build like this, I doubt it, will they, probably not, but it fits my play style and works wonderfully. Now I'm more of a polycarbon cannon than a glass cannon.

But then, OP is asking for an "Attitude Era" for CoX, But the Attitude era was the biggest gimmick yet for then WWF. Former Blonde Bombshell Steve Austin running round beating up the boss and his family, the birth of DX, Undertaker goes biker so he doesn't have to use his old signature move for a while after shattering both knee caps performing it, The Rock, The return of Mick Folly, and Mick Folly and Mick Folly, and getting drawn 3 times in the same royal rumble, as different characters.....

Was all just 1 big gimmick "getting rid of the old gimmicks".

And I still never took it seriously, was just good for a laugh, sometimes.

Same here. Though I'm all for cosmetic unlockables on the market.

But then there are many players that already have doezens of 20+ toons, so the need of that extra time is not required by a very good proportion of the players of this game. I know I have at least 20 toons capable of just affirming their alignment, something I intend to do with them when I have the chance, then farming this arc with. Not that I would, but then, there aren't many people that were faming the arc as per "the exploit" anyway, and for those that were it is a relitively simple matter to continue to do it in future.

Personally, I only ran the SSA's with toon for IO's they needed for their actual builds, and I'm sure the majority of players did the same.

Well, maybe NCS could retcon Paragon city from Rhode island to Florida or New Mexico or Baja Califonia, where there weould be less noticible change in the seasons.

Ok, if you don't want it to feel "job like", take your time getting your, however many, toons to 20 and reaffirmed. Do it over the course of a month or 2. But seeing some of the descriptions of reroll farming for up to "1008 merits a week" seems like just as much, if not more work than doing what I posted.

Why delete the toon? I have well over 100 slots available across the servers. if I was so inclined, i could spend a week or 2 rolling 100 toons, PLing to 20 on each of the toons (exploit says 1hr to 17? so hour and a half to 20?)for the first week or so, affirm the alignments 100 times over the course of the next few days. If needed anonther few days re affirming alignment, then every week after that I could get myself 100 AM's.

Yes, it take a little more prep work, but the way I see it, anyonw willing to put that much work farming as per the "exploit" would have little problem getting around the "fix" to stay just as lucrative running SSA's as they were before.

thing is, that isn't fixed, all you have to do to do that now is get a bunch of toons toons to 20, re-affirm alignment then farm the SSA's to your hearts content.

And again I say, 5 tips on 10 toons per day + 1 morality mish every other day introduces more AM's to the game per week than one SSA per week on on 10 toons would.

And again, there is nothing stopping anyone that would level a bunch of toons to 10 to farm SSA's from leveling to 20 instead, confirming alignment and doing the same.

There is still nothing stopping thast from happening still. a L20-50 can roll a L10-15 recipie with AM's.

how can it not be true? anyone willing to play thr long game to aquire 25-35 AM 6 months from now, of solid play of almost nothing but farming a single mission weth dozens of alts, would think nothing of the extra week or so needed to PL to 20 insead of 10 and confirm their alignment.

The only fix to stop a flood of AM's as you suggest is to put the cooldown to 1 month rather than 1 week, or just remove them all together.

But stopping non confirmed heroes and villians from earning AM's will not stop that. Getting to 20 and confirming takes 2 days then you can do that all you want.

Still doesn't make a L10-20 arc, that makes 3 out of 4 of it's posible rewards unclaimable by the intended level characters, make any sence at all.


no, running 7 SSA 2 twice in 1 week would net you 8 AM's, 7 first time awards and 1 AM from the shared cooldown reward table. but this "fix" doesn't stop that happening, just means you have to spend a little more time o each character you wish to do it with.

Yes it has been...

the arguement is not how many AM's can be earned total in a week, it was the stated goal of 1 L10 PVP recipie, the recipe can be achieved much earlier through tip farming than SSA farming

Tip farming you can get said recipie in 8-10 weeks as opposed to 25-35, and still have time left to actually enjoy playing the game.

And besides, there is nothing stopping someone from doing exactly the same now. just takes a little more prep work. PL to 20 and through affirming alignmemt with several toon then farm SSA's at your rate. if that was the problem that caused the nerf that all it will accomplish is delay the problem not fix it.

It's not a case of the amout of merits, as AM's aren't tradable, for a PVP recipie, it would still take 25-35 weeks to get a single pvp recipe. on a per character basis, tip farming is going to be 3.5 times faster than SSA faster. the time it would take to farm SSA's for the AM's for a PVP recipe you would have gotten above 20 and be able to affirm alighnmemt and farm merits that way.