SpectralPhantom

It was OS lol but I'ma let someone else do that one since I was only in OS for a short time. I'll do up a Renegades thing when I have the time.

This should have been done friggin 3 years ago.

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Drama... like the time I got called a bad leader for letting everyone in my SG play and still win?

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That was epic. Can anyone else say they had 3-4 people quit because they won an official and everyone played?

It's not overkill if you wanna KB someone with 46 KB protection that thinks they are safe. The point is more that it appears that it scales down at least fairly evenly anyway. So you WILL be ale to resist KB with DR on.

A 58 KB protection build with DR off translates to 13.1 protection with DR on. 13.1 is enough to stop six slotted Forcebolt slotted with 6 KB IOs.

*Updated ladder rankings*

Rpvp withdrawals from the ladder.

Renegades
lolVirtue
Easy Breezy
AA
PE
dUmb

Guess they will be taking a forfeit in 1 week? neeeext.

I'll check it out tonight if no one gets to it before then. It's not nessesarily a bad thing it could mean that a stalker team could be fairly evenly matched to a blaster team with those new rules.

With those settings, blasters would be more effective. Though it really doesn't open the doors for disruption teams since slows/end drains etc are all gimp with that. Isn't it like retardedly hard to resist KB with DR on too?

My favorite part was they told us that farming in AE was gonna result in bans/deletions etc AFTER we had already done it. That's like me throwing a ball across the street then a week later a cop comes to my door and says we just made that illegal today. You are going to jail.

Well if my players don't get their stuff fixed we might not have any more practices.

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Some really good points guys. I'm cool with giving it more time to let ya'll play around with it. You should come out thurs nights though and watch Renegades fight Easy. You should be aware that for the past number of weeks they have been trying lots of teams without stalkers and had no luck.

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We'll figure something out eventually.

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I honestly hope you do!

Though you might not be fighting our normal team tonight after all. Many of my players got temp bans and/or toons we use deleted.

we start at 9 est.

Some really good points guys. I'm cool with giving it more time to let ya'll play around with it. You should come out thurs nights though and watch Renegades fight Easy. You should be aware that for the past number of weeks they have been trying lots of teams without stalkers and had no luck.

Do you want to put it to a vote already or wait a bit?

To answer your question Silit, the idea is that we'd be trying to simulate just no global resists, so things like tough etc would still be allowed. Losing that KB proc though is the most serious issue IMO. I'd have to look at builds to see if you could get by without it.
IDEALLY my hope is that it would allow for stalker teams to still be effective AS WELL AS blaster teams being able to compete. Maybe that's a dillusion though.

I just want to say this has been a good discussion and I hope to see more like this!

okay I think you're exaggerating banning the shields just a bit lol. The point is not to restrict players but to give them more options. If banning one power makes a slew of toons viable how is that a loss in any way? We have the unique oppertunity with the ladder to create pvp as fun as we can make it by making rules within the system to tweak our experience. I'm not saying we need to change the rules all the time but we shouldn't be afraid of doing it either. I'm gonna do more testing before I can really go any further than that though.

Oh and DR on doesn't make many things more viable. It just changes some things that are. If you think for ex that a scrapper would become viable, I would disagree. melee is still melee and will be outperformed by ranged any day. As for tanks/brutes, they are already viable.

Don't mock me Jimmay or I'll beetch slap you back to JaL.

Yeah, my point wasn't that team A beat team B. It was, as mac said, an uncoordinated team of damage dealers beat a REAL team. Buffers and team member interaction is the whole point of organized pvp. 5 blasters vs 5 MM is just as pointless as 5 blasters vs 5 blasters.
All DR does is make some semi-currently viable things more viable(eg tanks are already useful) and eliminates things that are currently viable eg. emps. It turns the game from how can we survive AND get kills to simply, how can we put out the most damage.

I think purely for the sake of keeping things moving quickly it should remain one toon per person. If I have options yea I'm gonna sit there switching in and out.

DR on Sucks. We did a prac with easy breezy and used 5 blasters mostly soloing the whole match vs their 3 blasters 2 emps. We beat them. That should never happen. I will not play with a system where support is laughable and fight club teams win.

So you guys would rather not ban an unbroken power, but play with a broken system? eg. cap res on squishies.(I'm just playing the devils advocate here btw.) I'm happy either way.

They aren't gonna do an I12 button so go with the more likely of the 2.

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You will still have holes somewhere that the other team can capitalize on without using 2 AS's...

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This will be hard to enforce because most builds i would still take the epic just for set bonus'... and banning it like veng (can have in the build for set bonus' but not use it).... can you spot all the epic shields on sight?

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No, you would have to ban it from builds. Like I said, this is not ideal. Obviously the best option is to have a no res button. This was just an idea to play closer to that until/if it happens.

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AA withdraws from the ladder.

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Yea but at least you have to DO something to get that res instead of having it auto.

Well def epics are debatable. I personally wouldn't have a prob allowing them because if say a blaster wants to sacrifice PFF for it, good. Or an emp takes it over PB, hey fine with me. As for scraps etc. They will have more res, as they SHOULD, so hey.. maybe they will be more viable too.

Yea there is kinda a catch 22. By removing the res, blasters take the place of the stalkers. Stalkers could still be viable but it would depend on how much res the other team pushes out.