Sinyster

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They censor folds/rolls now?

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lol.... lol.....

UJL's working fine...

Dirty...

It's @Total Decimation though

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Taking It Too Seriously

Simple, and Easy to remember... Especially if you're a guy

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After numerous PMs, I figure I should address this.

First, we know about this. It was noted as happening during Beta. At that time, we decided to watch the PvP data and see if it proved a problem. Stalkers are not doing poorly in PvP at any level range.

Second, I discussed this with our QA and programmer and have filed it as a bug. It is low priority, however, since Stalkers are still the best in PvP according to our data. As such, there is no ETA for a fix.

Third, there is a workaround for this issue. I'm certain you all can figure out what it is, if you don't already know.

Just to reiterate on Placates mechanics:
Placate, the power has two portions: Placate (the effect) and a Hide equivalent.
Any attack or effect on the original target will break the Placate, but not the hide -- only a new attack on any target breaks that.
In PvE, we've made the AI ignore Effects when placated, so the AI still ignores you (most of the time.)

Placate is a tool. It is a powerful tool, but it has limitations. Learning those limitations and how to work around them is a large part of gameplay for Stalkers.

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i only read this thread up until four posts after castle's response, because this is the stupidest thing i've ever read. AS, Placate, and then critt. the issue only messing you up if you critt first, because, unless i'm mistaken, AS does not have a secondry debuff affect.

if someone else said this before me, than hats off to them. anyone who didnt figure this out is a bonehead.

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AS --> Placate only works in PvP, and barely because the person you're ASing probably doesn't have a good enough reflex to catch you and query up an attack, unlike an NPC, which Auto-Targets you and launches an attack...

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i know they have the code for it somewhere, all they need to do is make placate the issue 6 version. its been busted since like early '06

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Before it acted like a AoE, so they wouldn't do that because it's "Overpowered"

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Thats what we're doing with this....

and hoping someone takes it seriously.... with a redname....

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I play my stalker in pvp almost every day and i find it to be the most iritating thing that i can run up to someone hit them with ET and them be stuned hit placate while they are stuned and can't activate any powers and then they pop a break free and are able to attack me even though i have JUST placated them.. it wasn't always this way.. and it was much more enjoyable before.

Anyone who wants to tell me that this isn't an issue for stalkers because the "pwn hard enough as is" obviously has never played a stalker in a pvp zone .. placate is most definatly broken.. if it's working as intended then it's intended for it to be broken and to that i say </3

Also.. with the new blaster buff.. now you can stun a blaster with ET or BS (nrg transfer /bone smasher for you non EM ppl)
placate them imidiately and run up to AS them.. and they can simply hit a tire 2 power through stuned sense they can target you after being placated and break your hide.. anyone with a break free more or less has stalker protection suposeing they don't stand still in a pvp zone so as to alow a stalker to lead with assasin strike.

Yes I said it if a stalker kills you it's YOUR fault.

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Good point about the new defiance. The only time I use placate in pvp now is to avoid the blaster who comes running up hitting aim and buildup.

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In RV, it's just the funniest thing just hitting a PFF'd Blapper with Brawl, seeing them pop Powerboost, Aim, and Buildup, and then Placating them to sit there with their Bonuses wasting away....

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Yeah, just don't get caught laughing at them while they hit Inferno after aim and buildup while standing next to you.

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Blasters take Inferno for PvP? Since when? I thought they were only limited to 4 power from their Primary

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I play my stalker in pvp almost every day and i find it to be the most iritating thing that i can run up to someone hit them with ET and them be stuned hit placate while they are stuned and can't activate any powers and then they pop a break free and are able to attack me even though i have JUST placated them.. it wasn't always this way.. and it was much more enjoyable before.

Anyone who wants to tell me that this isn't an issue for stalkers because the "pwn hard enough as is" obviously has never played a stalker in a pvp zone .. placate is most definatly broken.. if it's working as intended then it's intended for it to be broken and to that i say </3

Also.. with the new blaster buff.. now you can stun a blaster with ET or BS (nrg transfer /bone smasher for you non EM ppl)
placate them imidiately and run up to AS them.. and they can simply hit a tire 2 power through stuned sense they can target you after being placated and break your hide.. anyone with a break free more or less has stalker protection suposeing they don't stand still in a pvp zone so as to alow a stalker to lead with assasin strike.

Yes I said it if a stalker kills you it's YOUR fault.

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Good point about the new defiance. The only time I use placate in pvp now is to avoid the blaster who comes running up hitting aim and buildup.

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In RV, it's just the funniest thing just hitting a PFF'd Blapper with Brawl, seeing them pop Powerboost, Aim, and Buildup, and then Placating them to sit there with their Bonuses wasting away....

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the jal v fol match went: Fol wins match 1 39-20, JaL wins match 2 35-23, FoL wins match 3 72-17

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Ahhhh...... Still, where's the Epic?

24-3, 46-10, and 36-17....... I'm guessing the Epic Match wasn't shown?

To be honest, I say that Placate is restored back to it's original form.... Easy as that. If something's bugged, you "basically" hit the back button to see what was wrong with it, right?

I have a little more evidence to A_C's Placate problem with NPC's....

I was running around on my EM/EA Stalker in St. Martial tryin to get rid of a little debt (Placate failed (u-_-) and I came across a nice group of Family. I wasted them all until the Boss, and waited for him to attack me then Placated. He then hit me right through Placate, and turned around, acting as if nothing happened. I decided to wait for re-hide, and right as I went back into Hide, he turned around and hit me again. Ofccourse I High-Fived him in the face, but then I sat there and wondered how he could've done this. I mean, they all have a 6-8 second time count of the ranged attacks between each other, so if he just hit, how could he hit again?

Anyone know?

Supergroup - Stalkers R' Us

Leader - Sinyster

Contact Info - @Sinyster, or send a Tell/E-Mail

Info - We are a Stalker-Only SG. So when i11 Comes out, hit up Freedom, and send a tell because you'll probably find 7 other Stalkers ready to play around with their Dual Blades

And your First Response explains your Second Response....

Ofcourse you will say you "get it", anyone who doesn't want to show themselves of low intelligence of what they're talking about would.

A_C has tested over and over again the Placate bug, that right there should EXPLAIN to you that we're obivously not whining over nothing, like you Heroes do in PvP all the time....

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I am amused with how people with stalkers aren't happy with the builds of stalkers. I mean seriously if you feel they are lame and gimped the way they are then why not build something different. For fact I have seen many different stalkers in pvp that are nearly indestructible due to how they slot the powers and the sets they pick. If you can't build a stalker that is formidable then maybe stalkers aren't your cup of tea and it is time to try something else.

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This is a good example of two things

1. A Hero
2. A guy who doesn't get it....

Thats a good point there Wraiven... Especially the part where you said that Stalkers WERE NOT getting the most kills.

Obviously the Devs were looking at Blaster K/D, or some other Hero AT, and not the Stalker K/D. These days... we're as good as bait.

Not as One-Sided as this one...

*sigh* Hero attempt at humor.... so sad.....

Yah, Placate will never get fixed. Kinda like 1 shot AS will never get fixed, and Perception Cap being above Stealth Cap will never get fixed.

I got sick and tired of this stuff.... World of Warcraft, Here I Come!

An EM/EA Stalker, vs an Invul/SS tank...

I had Hide off, Kinetic Shield, and Entropy Shield running, and he had all of his shields... We couldn't hit each other for a good 4 minutes. So I turn on Hide, Build Up, then AS him for Half health + ET, which puts him down to 1/4. He hits DP, a few Respites, I hit Hasten, and we go at it. We had a few fights.. and it ended up being 4-1 with me having hide off for 2 of them, and hide on for 2.

Twas nice seeing that Stalkers can take on Tankers 1v1 even w/o Hide


Later on in the day...


I fought a Stone/Stone.. totally different story. The /Stone damage that was being put out was almost impossible. I got wrecked all 3 times. I put out good damage, but wasn't enough.

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