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Dunno how many people are reading this thread but how many PvP'ers are still around on all servers? I'm in the process of sorting out preliminary test ladder stuff.


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Good question maybe all the pvpers who are still here but are not pvping should post there name up so....

Shockwave, still here and waiting for pvp to get good again, will be looking at any arena pvp events once the changes are made and im sure i can drag a few others with me

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I haven't a scooby doo about what this test ladder is, but sign me up. Anything to get a bit of action

I think the point that Shazan is attempting to get across when saying "Zonal PvP is dead" is "PvP zones isn't as populated as I'd like them to be", and therefore refers to it as dead.

But as DJ, Fahie and Rent have said already, it isn't dead...it's just got the odd tumbleweed floating through at off-peak times.
Now, we are never going to have anywhere near as many pvp'ers in PvP zones, especially with the (my opinion -&gt naff changes, as the US servers, and with more than 50% of the pvp community already left (because of these changes) we will more than likely never have as many populating the zones again.
I know Rent will agree when I say this, but a lot of the PvP community stated that there was no reward for zonal PvP (apart from the thrill-of-the-kill) and I agree with that. Now I'm still testing pvp myself to see if it is indeed still remotely fun as it used to be, but there are many flaws in it as well as those now implemented with the release of i13, that need to be addressed.
Imo the idea of changes to arena so you can pvp pre-i13 is a step in the right direction and I am all for that, but for those who prefer zonal pvp how it used to be it's still not going to be enough. Players have spent hours upon hours working to get their character to a standard of which they think is "playable" (and not necessarily by farming) have wasted their time and this is what I think has put them off enough to cancel their subs.
Regardless of bad data/usable data that has been collected prior to the launch of i13, shouldn't the devs be listening now to correct the "mistake" that has occured?

What I'd like to see is:

1. The changes made to pvp to be reverted
[Please Note: I have NO problem with the changes at this present time as I'm still testing, but because of these changes there are even less players to pvp against]
2. More rewards for Zonal and Arena PvP.
Rep (and badges from accumilated rep), bounty (SC: which you can spend only on inspirations?!) and the recent small amount of influence/infamy per kill is not adequate for the term 'Reward'.
Things such as costume pieces/special auras for reaching a certain amount of rep, special pvp specific IOs etc. I don't know what is viable so I'm just throwing ideas about, but if there was more gain from pvping I'm sure this would attract more people to enter the zones than changing the whole system players (not just the pvp'ers) have come to learn. This whole thing in regards to rewards/more player interest in pvp has been stated by many time and time again, but it still appears to have fallen on deaf ears.

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lets turn it around, what would u suggest the rage crash would be?

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Turn what around? I have already suggested a change in the rage crash. It should emulate exhaustion. I can breathe, I can talk, I can stand but I can't run at 1000 miles an hour or hurt a fly . I am supposed to be almost out of breath.


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Isn't this precisely what the weaken effect is implementing? And tbh a super-hero wouldn't be drained/weakened for long, after all he/she/it etc. is "super"

Gratz mate, I've not long done the same in getting my 1st villain to 50, now for the next one....

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If you are worried about endurance then I suggest Performance Shifter: Chance for + end, 1 of these in both Quick Recovery and Stamina sorts that. IMO Medicine pool isn't needed, but its certainly another option, depending on playstyle. With the amount of +regen you can get into your build with IO's, coupled with both Tough and Weave, and the -acc in Rise to the Challenge you shouldnt have any problems, not even against EBs, especially with the high damage from Fire Melee.
If you don't have it yet, I suggest acquiring Mids Hero Designer and have a play about on that, it will show you your overall defense, damage resistance and regeneration.

Have fun

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Well, Defiant is always good

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I lol'd

I agree with Col on this. I have a lv 47 elec/elec brute, and every point that Col has made is accurate. Besides, Lightning Rod has to be one of the most fun powers ever invented. Oh, and another thing, fiery aura has no psi res, whereas elec armour does

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Going on those crazy test numbers shown over on US, Fire/SS/Fire is going pretty hawt. But as others have said it is almost certain things will change from beta so best bet is to wait.

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Oooooh! How?

And can you link me the US forum page so i can have a read when i get chance please mate?

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I hear that if you say her name 3 times, she'll appear, and read out a sentence of NPC text from I13

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War_Witch!
War_Witch!
War_Witch!

*Waits and hopes*

(But I agree, she is by far the best dev going, and it was an honour to meet her in person, and get ma pic taken with her at OS 2008)

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Oh, and more people are put off pvp by coming into contact with the pvp community than they are reading a post by a non-pvper.

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Is that right?

And where did you come by that gem of factual information then?

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Fill in the blank:

He pulled it out of his [Blank]

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[Blank] = Ring Donut?

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I mostly stay out of pvp threads because you guys have made it clear that you just don't want to know what non-pvpers have to say about it.

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I mostly stay out of PvP threads if they are not in the PvP boards because I really have no interest of listening to the carebears shoot another barrage of "OMG PVP KILLED COX" and how the devs waste time on it.

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I've never suggested pvp be removed for something else, like RP, to get a more prominent position, I just don't think it works, in a way that I would like, and think the game would do better without it and without the dev time spent on it.


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There we are peeps, compare and contrast all you want, all I can say is Voxs version is polite for a change.

Oh, for an example of Voxs normal replies please see this response on this particular thread.

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This is an opinion, you know, like yours is that you want it kept in. Disagree with it all you want, but don't tell me not to have it or express it.



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There is a difference between an opinion thats been put across constructively and an opinion thats all negative and "d000m™!!", of which yours are generally the latter...

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Wrong. PvP isn't unpopular.

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Riiiiiight. Sure it isn't. The PvP zones are just teeming with life and laughter.

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Try reading the full post rather than just first 3 words

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You do realise that, for some people, no change to PvP is ever going to make it enjoyable?

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Yes, but that doesn't mean we have to endure the tiring negative comments though...

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What people need to remember is that there are as many, if not more anti pvp comments made than i pwnz joo coz im a l33t pvp'er ones.

That dont help the state of the pvp game or encourage new people either.

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I think you're putting the cart before the horse, honestly. You get these comments because PvP is unpopular. PvP isn't unpopular because of these comments.

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Wrong. PvP isn't unpopular. Much the opposite infact. It's the indecent comments etc that come from the small minority that make it unappealing to you of the PvE community. Again, you tarnish something which unfortunately is associated with that small minority. And then you retort to small minority, but you inadvertently include ALL of the PvP community, and it has got to stop imo because it is not fair.

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Yes. Fair enough. But anyone that is new to PvP has to go through the same learning curve everyone else that PvPs has had to go through. There is no point saying this, that and the other in regards to new players to support your claims because the same can be said for those new players that have to go through the PvE side. I've say it before, and I'll say it again, Learn and Adapt.

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And its this kind of attitude that puts new players off from PvPing, or in any case from playing the game altogether. All they are going to think now after reading that is 'why bother?'

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Frankly, they can read it here or go into the zone and get assassinated... often while moving. Either way they might as well not bother since the reply comes from the PvP community "L2P n00b."

I'm still waiting for TG to tell me about those techniques for getting the drop on a Stalker without seeing him first.

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A small minority of the PvP community, [u]not[u] all of the PvP community. Getting kind of tired of the decent pvpers getting tarnished with the same stuff that comes from the idiots that do make pvp not fun to play.

And just so I know, what does "L2P" mean?

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What I do suggest to non-pvpers like myself is that you don't bother replying to threads like this in future because the pvp crowd really just don't want to know.


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Not being funny Vox, but you have been on many a anti-pvp rant regardless of what thread it is, doesn't matter who has posted or what they have posted, it has always resulted in you basically saying "Remove PvP and I'M happy". Dude, wake up and realise there is more people than just you playing this game, and realise not everyone is going to agree with your anti pvp comments. And while your at it, try to change your negative anti-pvp comments to constructive positive "what i'd like to see change in pvp to make it more fun to play" comments, rather than just the " removePVPremovePVPremovePVP " comments i tend to see from you...

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And sneaking about RPing in a PVP zone was fun, with the moment of tenseness when a villain was spotted.


What do we get in PVP Zones? Bounty in Sirens Call, but if you don't have the NPC on your side to buy things due to zone balence shift, then it's pretty much useless.



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There are 2 points in regards to Sirens Call:
1) To Obtain the bounty on the applicable target (as you have stated)
2) To re-gain (or keep hold of) control of SC in order to spend that bounty.

The fact that you can't spend the bounty earned means you have to regain the map. There is no point saying that the bounty is pointless when it states on your navigation bar who is in control. Read it. Act upon it. Simple.

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'tis an good point, and the difference is, FPS success is based entirely on player skill.


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Can't agree much with this. Yes skill is involved, but a lot of the time it generally comes down to who has the bigger gun. (Halo 2 - Me in Scorpion, you with only a pistol...work it out)

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Stalkers aint hard to get around, just dont stand still, i dont know how many times thats been said.


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^ This. Couldn't agree more. Cookie for Londoner
If you are bothered about entering a zone where stalkers populate it then don't stand still. Yes, there are times where you can't avoid standing still (or be speeding/jumping about like a lunatic) but that's life. If you get killed. Go hospital/rez. Deal with it.

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Oh, you can dodge stalkers by moving, but it takes skill, practice, audio, and a degree of intuition. All things unavailable to newbie PvPers.

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Don't forget stacked perception bonuses and an ability to handle alpha strikes without caving.

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Yes. Fair enough. But anyone that is new to PvP has to go through the same learning curve everyone else that PvPs has had to go through. There is no point saying this, that and the other in regards to new players to support your claims because the same can be said for those new players that have to go through the PvE side. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Learn and Adapt.

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Or just look at it like this:

"That guy was invisible and killed me in two hits before I could react. Screw this."


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And its this kind of attitude that puts new players off from PvPing, or in any case from playing the game altogether. All they are going to think now after reading that is 'why bother?'

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Ok i didnt mean moving forward literally, i meant moving about.

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If I'm moving about, I can't chat. If I can't chat in a MMO, well... they're supposed to be social, aren't they?

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You can get around this, as many others have, by using programs such as Ventrilo. And its not that hard to stop for 3 seconds or so to type something

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good point, and you also can't RP, which pretty much rules out RP-PvP.

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Sorry, but what is stopping those who RP from setting up a match in Pocket D or the arena to do this? I can answer that for you...
Nothing.

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It wouldnt .Only in Factional zones.

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Ah, got ya

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Why am I reminded of my boss cutting my deadline in half and telling me "don't think of it as a problem, think of it as a challenge"?


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What scares me most is that you are thinking of your boss

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One thing that could also work nicely could maybe be not allowing be in PvP zones unteamed.I mean uppon entering PvP zone to automatically join a team that is active inside the zone.Essentially imho all people in the zone should be teamed no matter the size. 1 team for heroes 1 for villains.


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This might be a problem for those that actually do zonal team pvp. considering the team limit is only 8 (and i highly doubt that is something they're ever going to change) a lot of people would moan at being assigned to a random team, especially if they wanted to join up with members of their SG/VG etc. Would be a nice idea though if they could scrap the 8 man team cap for zonal pvp only

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Shouldnt be a problem if u join as a team in the zone.What i am saying is essentially when u enter PvP zone to join Raid.See health bars,buffs etc of all heroes in zone and be able cooperate with them.You can still go in with your friends sg/vg as a team you just join the raid inside the zone.

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Again, a good idea, and one I would like to see implemented, but not sure how it would work in Warburg though

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One thing that could also work nicely could maybe be not allowing be in PvP zones unteamed.I mean uppon entering PvP zone to automatically join a team that is active inside the zone.Essentially imho all people in the zone should be teamed no matter the size. 1 team for heroes 1 for villains.


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This might be a problem for those that actually do zonal team pvp. considering the team limit is only 8 (and i highly doubt that is something they're ever going to change) a lot of people would moan at being assigned to a random team, especially if they wanted to join up with members of their SG/VG etc. Would be a nice idea though if they could scrap the 8 man team cap for zonal pvp only

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Scrappers would do alright in casual PvP

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Eh? until some ranged attacker starts kiting them you mean? defeating a melee AT with a ranged AT isn't rocket science, even a casual PvPer can work it out.




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Which is another point to PvP. You adapt. If you're melee and you come up against a ranged player and get your backside handed to you, you find a way to overcome that. It gets you thinking. And when you're successful (even just once) at overcoming that particular challenge then you do feel a sense of achievement. Besides, scrapper secondaries aren't weak.

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The EU servers seem to work perfectly well and I don't see a need to move.

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^ lol. I'd agree with this if it wasn't for the whole server lag and un-useable arena issues of late.


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Has the lag been bad again? I thought they fixed that recently?

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It has yes, but I said 'of late' as in recently, not 'up until now'

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Stronghold lives in a small box with his pet kitten, Bobbles. He emerges when he needs to buy milk or save mankind from dangers from another world.

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You found my box!! Can I have it back please? Devoid of cat poo though