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Quote:forgot the zoning to get back. which is RV --> Pocket D --> ouro --> AP --> RVactually, the arena is one button click away. it's called pocket d teleporter and almost everyone has one. the other neat thing is that if you start your own global channel or use /ac you will be able to talk to the people just like you and get them to pocket d/arena. please use it and go there so you don't have to keep posting things that make you look like a *******. if you are in a zone, no matter what you want, you WILL be attacked by other players, in a duel or not. deal with it or i WILL send bruce after you.
I have long loading times, i don't like setting up matches and i don't like using the mouse, which i have to for opening doors.
Aside from that i shouldn't have too.
you said i *will* be attacked by other players. i can, but i'm not always. false statement. -
Quote:i disagree. the devs control the environment and what we physically (ingame) can do.Actually, the laws against crime were put there by the people in charge. In this game, that's the devs. The rules of physics are analogous to the game engine. We can no more jump, unaided, 100 feet in the air in real life than we could select every power in the game on one character.
Again, there is a difference between what is allowed and what isn't. We are allowed to attack one another in the zones. We are not allowed to attack one another in real life.
They make the virtual world and control what Can and Can't happen. We *can* attack eachother in real life. The only rule that says we can't are made up by other people, like the dueling rules. -
Quote:Sigh.
Because I'm bored and I have an inordinate amount of patience with most people, I'm going to be nice and try to explain why your logic and Fight Club logic is faulty.
These rules are inane.
What is one of the first things in which the game instructs you?
Inspiration usage.
Would you not use a Break Free against a Chief Mesmerist?
What if you're fighting one of those Carnival of Shadows that drain end? No Catch a Breath?
Of course you use them, because you'd lose and not gain experience or rewards.
Making rules to inhibit victory isn't brave or smart or daring, it's naive.
You're in a fight, use whatever training and resources and smarts you have to win that fight.
Even if you get Jane Doe to agree to your rules, you cannot expect to enforce your behaviour on various other people in the zone. Do you understand that? There is an area where you can duel without inspirations or temporary powers. It's the Arena. Head there and bash each other to your heart's content!
I know I am damned glad that Sabin and others picked my Emp/Psy out of Siren's Call and hauled her *** to the Arena for spike/evasion drills, insp management drills and power usage drills. If they hadn't, I'd still be walking around wondering why I was being attacked in plain view.
This is absurd, not only in your mangling metaphors but also in your analogy. Chess may seem 'fair' to you but you'll get schooled by someone who has been playing for years and has insight into movement patterns.
What I simply don't understand:
If all these people are duelling and all these people enjoy duelling, why did none of them head to the Training Room, IO out and duel against the players that also enjoyed duelling? Honestly, what do you feel you are proving by button-mashing one Regen against another for hours on end? You may as well flip coins, the outcome will be as predictable.
My advice to you:
If you set foot in a zone, be prepared for anything. Carry an inspiration load and accolade/IO as much as is possible given your time allowance.
Learn to team and ask questions.
I'll likely never be remembered as anything more than a 'good' Emp but I'll be damned if I didn't help any team I was on survive more than not. That didn't come to me by just mindlessly mashing buttons. I trained, I teamed and now I (hope) am a valuable addition to a zone or arena team.
Do not limit yourself by placing unnecessary constraints on your PvP playstyle.
Rules are for the Arena. The zones are for raw, unbridled and relentless attack.
Inspirations are optional for a reason. Why not make breakfrees automatically go off when held?
Some of us like a challenge.
Against sappers I use geas of the kind ones.
You sound like the germans using poisonous gas, I’ve explained that above. Or in a fight to see who’s physically stronger you pull out a gun. Yes I know u can shoot me, and I can shoot you too, but I want to see who’s stronger. That’s why I don’t use everything I can. That’s called fighting dirty, I don’t do that either. In martial arts u can’t kick below the belt or punch to the face. There are rules to make it more fair…and safer. (but that only applies to martial arts)
Why don’t u understand that the arena is too far away? Nobody has yet to answer this.
Personally I leanred my pvp from watching duels, still learn to this day from watching it.
Chess is fair, you sound like the devs at i13.
As I’ve said before, I’ve warzoned for years, I know how to play it and it’s too easy. Invite everybody that’s not on a team or ask for one, use target binds and press 1-4 buttons to attack. Fun fun fun.
I’m glad you feel as an emp you need training. Your just mashing CM on people who need it and watching when it wears off. There are more tactics with heal decay, I will admit that. Then again the tactic is how many timers can get going in ur head. I sure can’t count 8 seconds 7 people on my team if I was healing. But I’d learn.
But thing an un IO’d emp does is take aggro away from everybody else. Since with DR the buffs aren’t near as good, espically on IO’d people who have everything near maxed.
I’ve explained numerous times and nobody is reading it, maybe one more time and people will……arena is too far, nobody is there. The duelers meet in RV, I can’t change that, nobody can. -
yea i went invis too!
Found a bunch of cool options. Truthfully, if anyone sees my rep and thinks i'm a bad person or judges me right away, they arn't worth my time. at the same time i look like an evil robot with red under my name. -
Quote:Flawed analogy. Being attacked by other players is allowed by the rules of the game. Being attacked by other people outside of your house isn't. If you were trying to compare it to people using geometry exploits to get under the map, then it'd be more accurate. Both that and being attacked in a real life situation are reportable offenses and will result in action against the offending party.
Your complaint is more like walking out into stormy weather, then complaining when it rains on you.
yep it's illegal for someone to come up to me and hit me a bunch. those rules were made up by people as are the dueling rules. I see the devs rules more like physics rules. You cannot walk up, jump 100 feet in the air and land on them, against dev rules.
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Quote:Wait, your front yard is a boxing ring? If not your analogy is as full of fail as the rest of the crap you spew.
The only time you had an advantage ever was when you had superior numbers, Once they evened, and yes they stayed even you were dominated.
One person on the right toon can make all the difference in the world. Shows again how little you understand pvp in this game.
Once the sides were set, I died 3 times. Not to shabby seeing I was taunting everything in sight and target numero uno anyways.
I am.
Followed by the next line of.
Care more to cry more little kid.
The one piece of advice you seem to really be missing is stop trying to convey real life into this game. Its just a game, you are pretty much the only one taking it serious. While I do believe you when you say you aren't nerd raging and slamming your keyboard. Its hard to believe that you are truly unaffected. You break down and reply to every post that you think you can make a point of and still keep posting regardless how many poeple give you valid points that you are in the wrong.
Once you enter a pvp zone prepare to be attacked. Period. End of story. Save your fake rules for your backyard wrasslin league, because honestly, none of us give a flying ****. Peace.
You fail to realize although this is a game, these conflicts ingame are real. We won when we had numbers, you won when you had numbers. welcome to warzone pvp.
I'm not going to say i'm better then you, because i have no proof to show that i am or that i'm not.
yes it is shabby seeing as you had ur finger on phase the entire time.
I know a good player could help a team a lot. I also know 1 player doesn't make the team. I could be the best scrapper in the world then, but i still couldn't 3-4 good players. Maybe a pure buffer, but i like killing, not selling guns.
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Quote:I'm sorry, but this is absurd.
Sentry, people with your attitude are a contributing factor to why I don't even bother with PVP zones anymore. Zones are for open PVP, and fight clubs undermine that. I've seen them completely extinguish open PVP in an open PVP zone, changing it into little more than a glorified arena.
That's inconsiderate to everyone who isn't there to duel. There is a whole system in this game to accommodate dueling--the Arena--but, because you're too lazy to use it, because it's out of your way, you expect others--players who've gone to a zone to engage in play the zone is specifically designed for--to abide by your special rules and conditions, put aside their own preferences, and sit around while you have your fun?
That's not "sharing" the place. That's co-opting it. And yah, that's gunna tick people off or just drive them away.
Seems to me, you're the one who's disrespectful here. Seems to me that, if you're going to duel in a PVP zone, you shouldn't expect any special accommodations. And if you do expect them, you're the one being discourteous and selfish.
So, wanna complain about people breaking up your fight clubs? Fine. But please... stop trying to paint your position as the civil, respectful, and thoughtful one. It isn't...
If you want to duel with a guarantee that there will be no interruption or outside interference, yes, you have to go to the Arena. That's what it's there for.
PVP Zones do not belong to you. Your convenience does not supersede the purpose and intended dynamic of the zone. Your special rules are a disruption to that dynamic and purpose, run counter to it, and no participant has to abide by them. More importantly, if they choose not to recognize your rules, that doesn't make them inconsiderate. They're using the zone as it's intended to be used. There is nothing wrong with that.
It is implicit by entering into a PVP zone that you consent to engaging in open PVP. If you do not want to engage in open PVP, do not enter a PVP zone.
If the zones were full of people, this would be a non-issue. But they're not. So trying to co-opt an open PVP zone for something other than open PVP is a disservice to those who're there to engage in open PVP.
In short, it's rude.
By the way, congratulations. I don't think I've ever posted in a PVP thread before, but your routine got me to do so. I wanted to make it clear to you that your behavior is part of what's keeping some people, myself included, out of PVP zones. To me, you're just as self-absorbed and inconsiderate as some of the folks you're chastising from your high horse.
Rules? I’m not stating it’s a rule that you cannot attack me. I’m asking politely not to attack me and you are. If you walk into a zone and 30 people are duelers, it’s very very selfish to start breaking it all up? Don’t you agree?
I enter a PvP zone to duel. Why? Because everyone to duel is there. Let’s say I did what all of you say and go to the arena. Nobody would show up and I wouldn’t get fights. Let’s say I went to the zone and challenged someone to the arena, the most probably answer is “no” because it’s far away and a lot of loading times.
My ONLY choice is to challenge them there. Except your taking away the only choice I have because your selfish and aggressive.
I’m glad all my opinions and words are keeping you out, because I wouldn’t be surprised if you came in and stopped on my of my duels.
PvP zones don’t belong to anybody (yea I mean you con). I don’t go in and say “hey, nobody attack me, I’m dueling!” that would be ignorant, I agree. But going in, dueling and if someone tried to step in I say, “hey we’re just trying to duel here” that’s fine.
I guess you don’t see it, but not everybody likes getting ganked or ganking. Really, I’m not sure how that’s fun to you. Me and a lot of other people only enjoy fair duels. I wouldn’t step into a pvp zone except for the reason above, nobody is just sitting in the arena.
If zones are meant for open PvP, why can we duel? If we *can* duel in zones, we were *meant* to duel in zones. If I can do a handstand I was meant to do a handstand. You can look at it from both sides, but as an example I used in another thread, I believe humans were meant to fly because they were given the intellect to build machines that can fly. If it *can* happen it was *meant* to happen.
All I’m asking is you guys go play over there, and we’re gunna play over there. The only argument you have is everybody leaves your area, comes to mine and you get all mad. Leave us alone.
“special accommodations”
I’m not asking you to lay in [rest] in front of me and let me kill you. I’m not asking for you to do anything that would take away from you. If you had the power to leave me completely alone and it wouldn’t take anything from you, would you? Apparently your too selfish.
The purpose of the zone keeps dropping itself into this zone. Arena is duels and FFA. PvP zones is meant for duels and FFA.
I’ve done FFA in arena, only fun part I had was when everybody was on one side and a tank was fighting my brute. It was basically a tie so a bunch of people jumped in.
So apparently I’m wrecking the game for you because I was to be left alone to test my ability against someone else.
The original rules WERE NOT FUN, so we placed our own. I understand not everybody likes them, but that doesn’t mean you should hate on the players that enjoy us. Really, if so many people are dueling that it kills the zone, that shows what the people want. You shouldn’t mess it up for everyone. If only 4 people are dueling, you have other people to kill, I’m asking you to fight those who want too. I’m forced to enter the zone for duels. As explained above I have no other choices. -
no the fc police will come on here and give a fake report on it. They don't actually have any power.
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Each have different styles.
Storm is very offensive....you have
-Hurricane pushing them back and taking away 40 of their to hit
-snow storm interupting (most) aidselfs and slowing their powers slightly
-freezing rain getting -30 def and -30 res and slowing as well.
-Lightning storm draining their end, kncoking back squishies and a bit of damage
-Tornado (can be slotted for massive KB, would have to check that) knocking people around
-O2 boost is a small heal (can be slotted and actually be effective)
-Steamy mist granting 15% res to some things, granting defense to next to if not everything and granting some stealth
Basically aside from ur enemy worrying about 6 pets on them, they have to worry about all this. It can get insane
As for /pain. You won't really ever die.
Melees will be somewhat useless as a storm, you can take them easily, but ranged have a small advantage unless u TP them beside you with TP foe.
Pain won't get as many kills but at the same time won't ever die -
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Quote:Let me break it down to you. Barney Style.
Pure numbers:
There are more variables fighting in an uncontrolled enviroment with flux'ing numbers of enemies then it is in a straight even 1v1. Logically this leads us to conclude that, rationally, it takes more skill to fight in the prior.
Rule-Wise:
Find me a rule where it says I can't attack you in a PvP zone, which is, PLAYER>>>(S)<<< VS PLAYER>>>(S)<<<
Experience-Wise: A toon that can survive in FFA zones is usually a top tier FC if they would ever try. A Top Tier FC'er in FFA zones is usually the guy with 12 kills after like 25 hours straight. Same goes for players.
Mechanically: There is no skill in hitting certain buttons to attack a person that HAS to stay in melee range. Using strict numbers, predicting the outcome of a duel has an aproximate accuracy of well over 75%. I can usually, within seconds, if not before the duel starts tell whos going to win.
Now, In conclusion, we don't ALWAYS fight with odds in our favor, to do so is a complete impossibility. Con plays a blaster, I play a corruptor and stalker, We play at the same times often enough for us to say that, with even odds or not, FFA is our way of pvp. Yes, F(ree) F(or) A(ll), which means, your in my "FITEKLUB", My fiteklub just happens to be everyone dueling everyone else in the zone at the same time.
The reason we interrupt FC'ers is people like you, bad SUPAMAD FC'ers come and get raged becuase we killed you. Now please, I broke it down B-A-R-N-E-Y- -S-T-Y-L-E, if you fail to get the point, its your own mental incapability.
Good Day To You, Sir.
No no i never liked Barney or any giant pink things for that matter. Care bears had super duper stomachs that would shoot rainbows....now that was television.
Where do i start, lemme scroll up a little....
ahh here we go. I'm not sure about the duelers on freedom but i don't yell at someone for kiting. Movement is allowed.
Basic rules have been: No inspirations, No Leaving the stage or dueling area, no temp powers, no help from outside. Anything else goes. Help from outside would also include things like consuming a watching person. haha that sounded awesome, but i mean [consume] from fiery aura.
Nope, did FFA for a year or 2 with my blaster, nrg/ele. He rocked, with charged brawl, havoc, power burst and thunder strike as they started to run. Nobody used to slot hide for defense so a 4-5 slotted lightning field with tons of ACC would hit stalkers trying to AS me, an that was good....i was a blapper so i could melee them to death right then and there.
Anyway after a few years of FFA i learned next to nothing. Well i learned tricks, like typing /stuck when being teleported. I found secret spots. I learned the noob behaviour, where they would go or i could predict what was going to happen.
But in a duel i wouldn't know anything except to hit aim/Build up and my attacks. Now i'm no expection, this would be the same for a lot of people. it's like saying any good chess player is a good checker player and that's not so. Chess and checkers have different tactics. Chess being a fair fight and checkers being....well not fair.
Some of my duels are very close. There is no way you could predict who the winner is. You could get some more information by looking at badges (not vets, those lie) and see who has accolade clicks or a large number because it's their main. Also, I and many other duelers are not always in it to win. I'm in it to learn and get better.
As for top duelers not getting many kills, that depends a lot. I don't use temps/inspirations ever. But that doesn't mean a dueler won't. Actually i will use inspirations if my enemy does. And maybe summon a LB mech if they summon a shivan to distract eachother.
Ok i see what you mean how it's "impossible" for you to both be winning and at a advantage, point taken. You just enjoy it a lot more when the odds are in your favour. I like dueling, win or lose. But winning or losing because of "advantages of numbers" is not something that's fun for me.
Actually i enjoy losing a lot, because it means i need to get better and then surpass them. Probably the most fun i've ever had was losing to a friend, working hard to improve my character and beating him. Or losing again, but that just makes my mission longer. Arn't many people left, mostly because the people that used to beat me don't log on much anymore, or in one situation, i kept DCing during the fight.
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Quote:Nah they were pvp'ers first.
To FCers: i think FC was great idea. I pay 15 bucks to play this game every months to pvp and talk to my friends. Guess what? When i go in pvp zone i want to engage into FFA fights and not sit in train statition with another 30 people and watch some tru warriur punching face of another one. I DO NOT GIVE A SH*T ABOUT FC or your made up rules. It is my freedom to attack any person in pvp zone, i dare you to try to take it away (i would win :P)
No inspsiration: bs. Why? Inspirations are made to be used. If devs didn't want insps in zones they would disable it. DEAL WITH IT.
Besides honestly how much chance would my ice cold have vs invul/ss tank in FC? It is not my fault devs are too dumb to balance things, insps could help me though.
And don't come with speeches like: omg your build is bad blah blah blah...i play what i like to play, who are you to judge what is bad just because you rolled some melee toon with KoB doing over 9000 and expect everyone fight toe to toe. If you can't handle range AT popping insps who is bad then?
I might not be always agree with Silit or Barrier even (who actually came up with idea) but gladly joined FC and now at least my stalker that is made for ZONE PVP with only 2 attacks doesn't get bombed with retarded tells like: DUEL MY TANKER, DUEL MY REGEN SCRAPPER.
Also, maybe i am a dbag but it is indeed fun to interrupt people duels especially when they cry a lot. The more you cry the more it is fun. Just like this
Caps = not worth my time.
oh and i just read KoB doing over 9000, so yea im definitly never gonna look this over. -
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Quote:No, I think that was a WWI thing, the poison gas business, although admittedly the Nazis were probably at least as hilarious. "...something to laugh at..." Huh. I've never considered that aspect of chemical weapons.
So which gas is funniest, chlorine, phosgene, or mustard gas?
I thought it was both wars they tried to use gas. Never worked that well because you needed the wind with you, have clear whether, and after the first or second wave people started getting out something yo cover their mouth with. Also, after the first attack using gas eveyone was issued a gas mask making it even more useless.
Yes, people dieing isn't funny...but the fact that they broke some rules and still lost is. The fact that they were weak enough to break them in the first place is laughable as well.
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Quote:TO: Senty4
incase you keep missing this dialogue: You are now entering a PvP area and can be attacked by other players.
i copied that directly from the little box that pops up everytime you enter a PvP zone. it even pops up when you log out and then back into the PvP zone. that doesn't say at all that if you are engaged in a duel that you won't be attacked. take your duels to pocket d. save yourself the embarrassment both in game and on these boards.
*can* being the key word. Not "You will be attacked by other players"
It's like walking out of ur house and a sign pops up that says "You are now exiting your house and can be beaten to death by the next person you see"
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Quote:Holy ****, I am a ************* nazi!
Also lol @ you for laughing at my playstyle from the hospital. Sorry I am so weak that you kept getting wrecked. Passive aggressive nerd rage more kid, it seems to be winning them all over.
I will just keep playing my game my way and being better than you at ever ******* turn. Don't let the tears ruin your pillow, *****.
You forgot to mention that at certain points, your side was losing as well. You think pointing to my side and saying we lost hurts or means anything? I'm paired up with strangers for the most part, and to win i need to depend on them (1 person can't take a team).
Yep, i actually remember when me and nyte were laughing at ur toon we were in the hospital. I don't have to dominate you to make fun of you. And if i remember.....you died as well. hey, so did everybody in the zone. So although you try to make it look like i suck because i was in the hospital, you've been in the hospital as well.
Again, you said your better then me. You could say your "team" was better then my "team" in that situtation. But again, i didn't pick my team, and i doubt you hand picked all those people as well (as random people can show up). But if u want to learn who's actually better, fight me 1v1. I'm always open for fighting, i learn some new things or how to play a certain toon every match.
I might as well mention i'm not super angry (directed towards the idiotic and cliche nerd rage comment). I'm not slamming my head against the wall or throwing the keyboard around. i'm literally laughing at how stupid your side and arguements are.
And to answer the other idiotic comment, there is no proof to even start to make someone think about me somehow crying about this conversation. Your a jerk like all the others i've met in my life, i'm used to your type and have to deal with it all day. -
Quote:Wait how does one "try" to solo EB's? Unless you completely gimp a toon anyone can solo EB's. They're slightly harder than a boss and have more hp. If you can't easily solo one of those things with TO's then I can see why you love fite club. I see nothing wrong with you enjoying PvP but the kind you prefer isn't meant for zones. It's not hard at all to stop complaining about someone "interrupting" your duel and move it to an arena.
It was hard back then when everybody was a noob, the game mechanics were different and the correct slotting was unknown. People who use TO's usually have an end problem, or do next to no damage because of all the end reduction in attacks.
Actually if we can, we were meant too. Were humans meant to fly? Well they were meant to have the intellectual capabilities to create machines that could fly for us. You can argue it either way. I argue, because we can duel in a PvP zone, we were meant too. -
yea, i agree with mac. If you don't want any challenge make a regen or fire.
Or take a garbage set, work on it a bit (finding strengths and weaknesses) and then pvp with it. Next to anything can be awesome (AR for cors doesn't work well...), just some sets need more work then others. -
Quote:fiteklub as in people just standing there or dueling with some strategery? for fiteklub I'd go bats/tarps and make sure to have a macro that makes all your bats point and laugh when the poison tarp makes people hurl
for dueling I'd probably choose the fire/psy or ice/psy. I don't know if the -rech from ice still does anything or not though.
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well nothing left to respond too. You have nothing to argue anymore, just throwing out any witty comments that cross your mind. I'll give you a day to think, i'll be back tomorrow.
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Quote:Right, and "stand there and beat on each other while following some arbitrary set of rules and then whining when someone comes and kills us" is neither tactical nor strategic.
I don't whine, i argue. Whineing is more a personality thing, i've seen fc police do the same.
Yes, the set of rules balance the broken pvp we have today. We know what we want more then the devs do. We took pvp into our own hands and made it better (for people like me) by setting up these rules.
Yea i guess u can call a taunting/kiting/phasing fire brute a tactical approach, but i see it more like the germans using poisonous gas. More of something to laugh at because they are weak and need to break rules (The rules of war...made up mind you, as ALL rules are) -
Quote:And you are too lazy to fight someone in real zone pvp, instead just hitting some defenseless person who isn't supposed to move or breathe for that matter for a chance at some EHONOR, which you don't get. You are too lazy to have a real fight, you simply like to kick people while theyre restrained and say u win.
See, i can make completely true statements out of posts that are completely untrue and ficticious.
No we could easily whip out shivans and some warburg nukes, alone with tons of inspirations, but that's like pulling out tomy guns when u are 3 feet away from eachother. You don't see who's stronger, you simply see who can pull the trigger faster. "Wow look at all that skill, he pulled his finger faster then the other guy!"
Yes, i'm too lazy to kill someone when they are weakned, because that takes a lot more time and work then killing someone at full health. Sarcasm...
No, kicking someone while they are restained is what you do. You like an unfair match with the odds in your favour. You don't like a challenge, you like winning under any circumstance and think your better.
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Quote:I'm the first to admit that PvPers are the LARPers of MMOs.
I mean, you should see how animated I get on the other side of my keyboard during a close arena duel...
That's not even acting; it's real!
Agreed. Espically vs MMs. Hate having 7 guys on my screen all attacking me, and the fight lasts forever. I basically have a heart attack everytime. -
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Population isn't everything. I would have had fun, but that's before i learned that tactics and stradegy *can* play a role in this game, it's not just pure numbers.