Scythus
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Quote:You might have had a point about the earlier South Park episodes. They were... rather... lacking in artistic quality back then, but that isn't exactly true anymore.Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Anyone can see the difference in line quality and dynamic composition. You may as well compare it to South Park while you're at it, since your ability to distinguish the artistic style seems limited to "they have big circle heads and large eyes so they are the same." Similar to someone pointing out that the aforementioned Beetle and 911 are German automobiles with four wheels and round bits so they must be the same.
Nevermind the fact that the very first episode, "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" was completely animated with construction paper by hand which in itself is a feat of patience and perseverence. I'd doubt Tartakovsky had ever approached such an arduous process as that. No, he just scribbles a couple eyes and legs on a square and calls it a mad scientist boy and neglects to give his sister a torso. -
Quote:Good thing that isn't the issue here.Originally Posted by Ironik
I know you're going to see this next comment as insulting but it's honestly not meant to be...
When it comes to art, I think you have the aesthetic equivalent of being tone deaf. If you genuinely can't tell the difference between something that is "stylized" and something that is actually "not good," then there is a perception problem somewhere in there. -
You may try to continue claim there's a difference, but there isn't. I believe the phrase about wearing blinders comes to mind.
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Quote:Really? If I had never seen some of the shows myself, I would have never been able to pick out which character belonged to which.Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
I'll just leave it with this: Pretty much any given character from those shows, even ones I've never seen or heard of, I can generally immediately peg which show they're from just seeing the artwork.
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You're kidding, right? There's a lot more crosshatching in that picture than rain. No single spot of negative space was left alone without a shadow or gritty line added to it. Liefeld pulls the same damn crap.
Furthermore, the cartoons you listed look very much the same to me. That black ninja from the video Cowman posted earlier could have easily fit in the Power Puff Girls without any problem. Hell, Power Puff Girls and Dexter's Lab could easily mix and match. Mako could be a friggin' Power Puff villain for chrissake. -
If you think Liefeld is "awesome."
Liefeldian crosshatching is pretty much: "Let's obliterate all of the negative space to cover up my obvious lack of talent."
Now look at that Kricfalusi painting. He didn't need to crosshatch and obliterate the negative space to produce a good cartoon piece. -
That's still the same flat Samurai Jack with Liefeldian crosshatching added.
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Quote:I still don't see the difference. They look practically the same. They might as well be the same.Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
First off, I'm not a big fan of Tartakovsky's style, even if I can see it's skill.
However, if you honestly cannot see the differences in artistic ability between the two examples you posted, I'm not sure anything I can say will change your mind. But here goes.
The first pic you posted is stylized but technically proficient. The second sucks.
The first is wildly exaggerated. As are most of the characters in PowerPuff Girls. However, it still retains a level of stylistic elegance that the second simply does not. The form and structure flows, for lack of a better term. He understands the use of heavy and light line weights, and the linework itself is smooth and controlled. His proportions, which distorted, are consistent from piece to piece.
You mean this Kricfalusi?Quote:I have to imagine that you're not a big fan of John Kricfalusi's work either. That's okay. You're entitled to your opinion.
I have yet to see Tartakovsky produce anything on that level. -
Quote:They're almost the same "style" and one is drawn by a talentless DeviantArt hack.Originally Posted by Cowman
I find it amazing that you posted those two pictures as if it proves some point.
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I think you're frankly being too apologetic over Tartakovsky's obvious lack of skill to give him some ill deserved reason for his inexplicable fame. Please tell me, how the hell is this... suppose to be a human girl?
It doesn't look any more sophisticated than this.
I find it insulting to my intelligence that you insist that this is art. -
Quote:It's just too bad that Tartakovsky's stuff looks like it belongs on DeviantArt or Elfwood, otherwise you might have had a point.Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
Funny, back in art college my professors emphasized that all good art stems from circles, squares, and triangles.
There's a difference between art that is bad because the artist doesn't have skill, and art that doesn't appeal to you but is done skillfully.
There's tons of art that sucks. Look at 90% of DeviantArt. The artists in question are ignorant of anatomy, composition, and don't get why their art looks terrible even though they imitate anime or their favorite comic book artist. It's because they never learned the fundamentals and have their entire artistic experience as tracing and copying other peoples styles.
Then there's art that is heavily stylized, but is skillfully done. These artists DO understand the fundamentals, and many can also draw in more "conventional" styles quite well if they want to. But they've gone through the learning process and have developed their own styles.
I personally have a number of art styles that I can't stand, but I'd never say they "sucked". Merely that I don't like them. I reserve the label of "suck" for the art that really deserves it, due to it being drawn by folks that don't actually understand art.
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Oh, here I thought it was just me.
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Xenomorphs, shoggoths, and elder things. Oh my!
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Wow, that's low.
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Quote:HAHA! My theory has dev confirmation! HAHAHAHAHA!!!Originally Posted by Positron
Various dialogs in the game actually have a variety of options that they choose from, and this is one of them. There's six different things he can say, those are just two of them.
Now if this was broken and not working until recently? I have no clue. Programmers fix stuff all the time, and I can't keep track of everything. -
"Rose-colored earmuffs?"
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Quote:o.O;Originally Posted by EvilRyu
I rather loved the voice acting in Thundercats.
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Quote:Or, you know, they might have a randomized list of dialogue to choose from. That'd be easier than just going in manually and changing it every update.Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Recluse and Aeon both seem to change their "just beat you" line every time I do the TF. I figure the devs just go in and do a quick find/replace every new patch to keep things interesting.
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Interesting, I'm always faced with a gap of arcless content between level 13 and level 16 in Praetoria. What're you people doing to outlevel these?
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Quote:Um... I think you need to go back and watch the original Thundercats before continuing with this claim. The artwork might have been fine, but the animation was rather stilted and clunky and the voice acting was absolutely terrible. Furthermore the writing was very... silly. As Nightblade said, it would be a hell of a feat of awfulness for this new Thundercats to be worse than the original.Originally Posted by EvilRyu
OMG no, do not want, stop it now before they screw it up. Why cant folks just be original? Why do they always have to butcher childhood memories like this. The shows artwork was fine the way it was. Voice acting will be terrible compared to the original, it always happens like this. Some classics should remain just that.
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Quote:It looks phoned in to me.Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Cheap.
1) "Lazy" would be if these guys were putting in a 2-4 hour workday, phoning this much in, then going off to play xbox the rest of the day. -
Quote:Me too.Originally Posted by DarkGob
Forums seem to be having issues too, I got three "connection to server has been reset" messages just in trying to get to this thread (along with yet another forced forum logout).
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Quote:Sorry, but I love my brain very much and I wouldn't do that to it.Originally Posted by Infinite_Zero
calm down. obviously something was messed up royally that they are fixing. It happens. Its not like this is an every day occurrence. So just breathe and read up on some builds or jabber on your home server's forums. Or kill some brain cells by watching American Idol. lol
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Quote:Soon™.Originally Posted by Darkfaith
Avatea's announcement indicates that they know they're running late, but expect it to end soon, and will keep us updated.