Sayer

Why isn't it for sale yet?! *cries*

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Heh, there's some awesome names in this thread. Anyway, most of my characters are in my sig, but the one I'm most proud of isn't:

Steam Engine

I picked that up after the first name wipe way back when. He is, of course, a Victorian steampunk technologist.

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Siege Symphony

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I can't wait till my werewolf can transform back. Dang full moon has lasted forever

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Jolerei is going to get a winter coat and mittens!

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I'm doing something wrong, I just don't know what.

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Assuming the other side has a clue ...?

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Seeing as how there are days when I feel like I have a foot permanently ingrown into my mouth like a cancerous tumour, even if that were problem it would be only half the story.

And you can quote me on that

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I'd say it's conditioned reactions to "key phrases". If you write three cogent paragraphs making logical points all the way through, stating "hazard zones are not content" in one unimportant sentence, those so inclined will see only that statement.

Once their eyeballs ignite at your audacity, you'll notice that they disregard the rest of the post and argue against a fictional and hypothetical point of view they think you have based on the single statement.

YAR!....no ordinary housefly.

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Real life = stops criminal

CoH = Criminal laughs at you and then crushes you against his skull like a beer can.

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WIN!

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If Dual Blades debuffs its own damage type, I foresee it being the most popular set EVER.

Imagine, a scrapper, tanker, brute or stalker (lol) that can debuff Lethal resistance when a majority of enemies in middle and upper end CoH have moderate to extreme Lethal resistance? Every lethal-damage set player in the game would want their very own Dual Blades buddy.

Psionic weaponry wouldn't have to be a ripoff of Psylocke. Just don't make it a purple katana. Learnt that lesson after ripping off Wolvy's claws. Maybe a nice energy spear you jab into your enemies, invading their mind and inflicting Fear as you punch through.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to rip off the psychic knife ...oh....wait...

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They might as well hand us two buttons.. labeled DETHSTRUCTION and MURDERDOOM.

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I would play any game that even made a reference to these two buttons. Win and awesome right there.

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Deadpool: who? some noob? Oh, the guy with the machine gun

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This is where your cred and the validity of your argument vanished.

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I'm still trying to figure out why, but wingdings will crash your game. I'm thinking it has something to do with it lacking certain characters...but I could be way off.

On another note, I'd also recommend Comic Sans MS...it just has this comic book feel to it.

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ACME Secret Agent FTW!

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Wow... I just discovered that this hasn't been released as a movie yet (I live in Japan - we are always quite a bit behind re. new releases. I operated on the assumption folks had actually SEEN this movie)... I googled... I yahoo-searched... I IMBd'd... the ONLY footage I could find was a gamepolitics.com article, and a YouTube clip.

Isn't the kneejerk reaction to something we haven't seen a little premature?

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Perhaps. I await the actual movie before fomulating any carved in stone opinions. However, I find it difficult to even imagine a debate/documentary breaking from the theme of its trailer (and it's sensational naming) to suddenly present itself as even-handed.

So in conclusion, having never seen the actual feature, I can pass no judgement, but I am certainly skeptical.

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Way to go Sayer & LadyMage!
Take what I said, slightly out of context, and not read what had been posted previously?
My comment on 'assumptive thinking' was a direct response to the previous two posters. If you'd read my comment just prior to THAT, you'd see my stance... and thus not be so quick to attack.
Please... I agree with the gist of what you state, & I'll repeat the main part of what I *thought*...
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I have not seen Moral Combat. Thus, can't comment on it specifically... but it is no secret that our societies aren't the places they once were. This downward spiral started to occur before 'gaming'... and any fingerpointing at gaming is at best, naive, and generally done by people who have little knowledge about the games themselves. The fact that they use CoH in it just highlights this. Using a game that generally has positive values?
Indeed, *Media* on the whole is to blame. And the gaming industry has to wear at least a part of this. But what about Hollywood? What about the fact that the most violent thing kids can watch these days is usually the evening news? Simple fact is that both Hollywood & big-business media-moguls are just too powerful to attack. Thus, point the finger elsewhere.

I really applaud the call for 'responsible parenting'. But too many parents these days find it easier to use the computer as a default baby-sitter. Increased laziness allows this to develop into default parenting. And with what folks can access on the internet these days, that's flat-out scary.
Nothing beats the influence of a solid family environment. A solid community around that.

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Perhaps reading all of what a person has said, before you *think* you know what they're on about... ?

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Well I apologize for taking your words out of context. Glad to see we agree.

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Talk about an assumptive thought process!
"I turned out ok, so everyone else should be ok too"
Unfortunately, that's not the case. I wish it weren't so, I wish we were all (as in within society) well-balanced individuals, with well-rounded personalities.
But me wishing it doesn't make it so.

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Indeed. How about this?

"I turned out ok, so there must be other factors which contribute to someone not turning out ok after being exposed to the same experiences. Why don't we explore the effects of those other factors instead of focusing on what we percieve to be the easiest fix"

Take a look at this:
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But for Halpin, the most important interview in the film is the one with the San Jose Mercury News journalist and industry observer Dean Takahashi, who shared his feelings about violence in video games. Takahashi’s brother was assassinated in 1993 — the same year the hit game “Mortal Kombat” came out — in a case of gang warfare and mistaken identity. “Everyone on the set that day had puffy eyes,” says Halpin. “That was when we chose the title ‘Moral Kombat.’”


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So, Mortal Kombat has to do with a gang-related killing as a result of mistaken identity how? Are we arguing that without such a game gang violence itself wouldn't exist? What exactly is the significance here, if not solely for sheer emotional impact? Is even the naming of this film the result of specious logic and emotional appeals?

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But Halpin is no sensationalist seeking high drama and cheap tears. He’s taken pains to present a spectrum of views as the film looks at how games are created, distributed, regulated, sold and received, and he bristles at any comparison to a Michael Moore-style attack. “We’re very careful to avoid the whole titillation factor,” he says pointedly. “Interactive entertainment is the next major media form and the most important issue in terms of the young generation. I want to show how and why games are developed and what experiences they offer, which can have positive or negative effects on children.”



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Oh, well I guess I'm placated then. He says he's not being sensational. Carry on.

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The Reply is priceless! I love it!

Oh, if they did not ask for permission to use a Trademark of NC Soft in their video, when are you going to sue them?

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Eh too bad the author felt the need to drop the ..... in it

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And make threats...and make the most important part of the message on each screen the smallest text...

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Ominous Music? Check!
Exaggeration? Check!
Clear focus to let anyone follow their reasoning from point A to point B?.........

It's the same style of scare tactics/scapegoating that has been around for over a generation.

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You know, I wanted to be more offended by that movie, but instead, I found it quite valid (or rather it would be if they simply swapped out the word homosexual with pedophile, at least then the "sickness in the head" rhetoric would apply)

Notice also the importance put on proper parenting. Jimmy spoke to his mom about the car that had whisked his friend away, and she was responsible enough to do something about it. Furthermore, the fact that he had the presence of mind and prior instructions to "write down the liscence plate of a car his friend got into" is an indication of parental input.

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It's pretty sick they did this. Sorry the trailer should have been showing horrible parenting, resulting in kids doing bad things.

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I swear to God, if I had the means, this is exactly what I'd film and post on YouTube.

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Rap is ruining our children! That's not music and they shouldn't try and teach them that it is. *frowny face*

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____ is ruining our children! That's <arbitrary negative and very subjective value judgement on the subject at hand>. *frowny face*

Please fill in the blank with one of the below:

1) Rap music
2) Rock and Roll Music
3) Movies
4) TV
5) Heavy Metal Music
6) Dungeons and Dragons
7) Video games
8) Sex ed in schools
9) Power Rangers

You know I sent this link to my mom as a part of a larger conversation we were having about using fear to drum up support or outrage. Here is what she wrote back.

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I will look at your site later, as I am on the run with Dad. But just the lastest of dumb, "Don't try this at home" was omitted from Samdam's hanging. So what do you know an American boy, 10 years old imitated the hanging and is now dead.


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Okay, what the [censored] is wrong with our children?!

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I agree with you, but it still seems odd that they would add CoH to the mix. In games like this one we save people not kill them.

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Well we save those people by beating other ones into unconciousness. In fact, if we're arguing that line of reasoning, many of the games in that trailer (specifically the military themed ones) have you commiting violent acts "for the greater good"

That trailer was so ridiculous, I didn't even get angry.

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And my original point Zeus, god of blunder, is that by engaging in name calling and openly breaking a forum rule, IE doing EXACTLY what should get a post yanked or a thread locked, did NOT in fact have any impact on this thread. Bringing up ... AGAIN my POINT that moderation is inconsistent and THAT is my problem with Lighthouse. Part of his job is to ensure the moderators are on the same page. He isn't. He should.

So are we clear now? or did you just skip that paragraph?

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One possible factor to consider is that we are pretty certain that the mods are aware of this whole thread in general, and this thread, by its very nature, violates the forum rules, but this thread still exists.

That suggests that the "rules" are placed in discretionary abeyance, at least for the moment.

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I would argue that constantly citing this thread as an example of uneven modding (as some others have done repeatedly) serves no purpose as this thread has probably been allowed to exist as a way to get a general feel of the community (perhaps to even see just how bad it gets if left alone)

There are problems to be sure, but this thread is not part of the problem, it is part of the solution.

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I never followed the love boat. But... could julie have been able to do her job if it were "strictly business"? Or did she have to have a bit of personality? Put a bit of herself into her work? And is that avatar really a picture of you? I like to imagine that all forum avatars are of the people that post. Did you know miss kitty was really a manga character? It's true!

Zeus - god of a point, with some silliness added.

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I am in fact, a large tank driven by a small boy in search of his wayward frog.

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As for people who complain/state that their post disappeared (either in this thread or another thread), it is not because your post was in violation. The way the CoX forum software works, when you delete a post, all of the posts that are replies to that post get deleted as well. (I don't know how far down the reply path it goes, but I suspect it is quite far)

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My understanding of the forum engine (IANA UBB code developer), is that a thread is stored as a reply tree. Every reply is a sub-branch to what ever branch or root (OP) message that the reply is set to be "to". When you trim a branch, ALL replies under that branch, sub branch, and leaves, are deleted as well. I've actually tested to see if they simply got orphaned, and they did not. Requesting to view a sub-branch to a deleted message resulted in an access denied message.

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I am aware of the rule. Both my post and the one that said "whoa! that's some avatar!" (the one I responded to) were deleted, so it is likely that mine was deleted as a sub-branch, but the initial post was hardly worthy of deletion itself.

I don't really have any issue with Lighthouse per se, but I have had some of my butthead grade posts summarily deleted. To be specific, I responded to someone's commentary on the bizarreness of an avatar with *cries like a little girl* (meaning I was so scared of the avatar in question that I was reduced to tears) modsmacked!.

So I do tend to think it's a bit heavy handed on occasion.

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Debate on the carnie costume aside, my jaw hit the keyboard when I saw Cookie Girl. I didn't much care who won what or when after that. I would like to say gratz to all the contestants for entering, I don't think I would have the guts to do it so I would never criticize anyone that did. As for Cookie Girl, thanks for playing.

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This may be overly simple... but can someone explain this to me? This is like the 4th or 5th comment on cookie girl I've seen and I honetsly don't undertand. She had a decent costume, to be sure, although a simple one, but then again... more complicated than some of the winners.

She had a decent costume and all, but the only thing I can see where she's really above anyone else is in physical attractiveness, but then again, she's probably be more physically attractive than the other entrants no matter what she wore. I'm kind of giving the posters the benefit of the doubt that they're not just talking about physical attractiveness, because that would be pretty insulting to the person dressed up as cookie girl, and such baseless insults just aren't called for in this sort of forum.

Can someone explain this to me? Am I missing something or are several people just posting to say "look, cookie girl, don't bother ever enter any contest again, because no matter what you do or how well you do it no one is ever going to be interested in anything but your attractiveness". Because that just seems kind of crude.


Zeus - god of not understanding

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You know, I don't necessarily think Cookie Girl is that hot, but come on. She's an attractive woman dressed skimpily like a sterotypical male fantasy. Furthermore, she entered a contest where the primary audience (stereotypically) are girl starved males. I refuse for a minute to believe that her attractiveness did not factor into her decision to select that particular costume.

"What? No! I swear I had no idea videogame geeks were turned on by half naked Asian schoolgirls!"

The point of view you put forward is indeed possible, but it's not so possible that the "OMG HAWT!" response is cause for confusion.

I've seen you postulate that the deviations from what is available in the costume editor are a result of her having the freedom to create the "true" look (unrestrained by COH options) of her character. Once again, possible, but I see a left over cosplay costume (anime schoolgirl being pretty generic) that was close enough to a possible COH costume for entry. The sash seems to be the only thing expressly done for the contest