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According to Newsarama, we're going to get a 2-issue War of the Green Lanterns Aftermath miniseries.
It appears to be more about, well, the immediate aftermath of the war.
Guardians are wondering why Sinestro gets a ring.
Lanterns are wondering why the Guardians kicked Hal. And if they can kick Hal, what of them?
Lanterns in general wondering about Sinestro.
Are the Guardians still fit to run the Corps?


Also, I thought Ganthet was a Blue Guardian now. Or did ne have to return to the Green and leave his new love with the Blue Corps?

This is a wonderful advance in solar powered stuff.
I’m all for getting it onto as much stuff as possible.
But the biggest place it would be useful is in powering buildings. If I slapped a bunch of panels on my roof and the sides of my house, I am sure I could power whatever I wanted. However, the problem becomes how to store this power for nights and dreary winter days. I need it to power every single light, hairdrier, stove, fridge, dvr, tv, clock, fan, AC, heater, water heater, however many gadgets I have at the same time, and for hours on end. If the battery solution I have cannot do this, all the solar power in the world won’t help me.

But imagine putting tiles on the sides or high-rise buildings. That would probably be the best way to get energy-efficient. But still, whatever you put the solar power panels on, these new things, old ones, or even some others I have seen on the Science Channel recently, you still have to store that energy for when the sun isn’t up/out.

So I suppose what I’m saying is that no matter how good we make our solar cells, without further advances in battery/storage technologies it only goes so far.

For me WASD for movement and mouselook goes waaaaay back to DOOM. Or perhals it was DOOM2...
No....Definately DOOM. Wolfenstein was my first fps and it had a different way to turn I think.

Anyways, every other MMO that I have tried that has A and D as turning gets changed to strafing as pretty much the first thing I do with a character.

Right now I wonly want one vfx that I want.
It's a power cusomization. I want to be able to change the color of my Prestige Power Slide. It's my favorite sprint power, but that purple cloud just doesn't fit all my characters.

So Please, let me change the color of my Perstige Power Slide.
Pretty Please?

Wow. Newsarama seems to want to play all sides of this thing. First we have the “Possible casualties of the reboot” thing. And I must stress it’s possible casualties, there’s nothing confirmed yet. Sevenpenny and I posted that link for discussion, not a whole “Whaaaa favorite is gone”. We know nothing at all yet about how it will all play out. For that reason alone, I will wait and see what happens before making a full judgement.
Now I find a Newsarama post about “Fact-checking 10 Myths about the DCnU.” I’m just going to repost the whole thing here as I have some thoughts I want to share on some of the “Myths”.

MYTH 10: "Everything Goes Back to Normal After Flashpoint"
As DC was promoting Flashpoint, most fans were convinced the story wouldn't really change the DCU. They compared it to other alternate universe stories like Age of Apocalypse, which were fun to read, but made few changes to the regular universe.
Writer Geoff Johns hinted at something bigger, though, when he told Newsarama in April that the event was "different than anything that has been done before because of what we have coming out of it."
Now, we know "what DC has coming out of it." There's a brand new timeline for the DCU. The JLA is the first super team, and they only came together five years ago. Superman is the world's first superhero, and other changes have been made as editorial sees fit.
So the myth that everything in Flashpoint will mean nothing when the DCU returns to normal is definitely a busted myth, and that leads to...
---This one has to be a really old ‘myth’ as the stuff coming out of DC for the past month or so has proved beyond a doubt that the DCU is changing.

MYTH 9: "Flashpoint Characters Don't Matter"

Sure, those new characters and concepts in Flashpoint were cute, but did anyone really think they'd stick around?

Turns out they will, and as time goes on, we're finding out that more and more of them will be part of the DCnU.

From Peter Milligan's new character Mindwarp, who stars in September's Justice League Dark, to the brand new Element Woman, who appears to be part of the Justice League, a lot of new characters introduced in Flashpoint are surviving the end of that series and sticking around for the launch of the DCnU.

---Haven’t heard this one, but it is understandable why people would think it. I must say that the character of Element Woman they show for this one has me thinking of a female Metamorpho.

MYTH 8: "Legion Reboot"

Fans of the Legion of Super-Heroes are used to reboots. But it was disheartening to think the Legion would get rebooted yet again in September, particularly when the new Legion of Super-Heroes series by Paul Levitz only launched a little over a year ago.

But it turns out there's no reboot for the Legion. Not even much of a creative change, since Levitz is back on the main series with a new artist, Francis Portella. The only difference is that seven of the Legion members will become lost in time for a spin-off series by Fabian Nicieza and Pete Woods called Legion Lost.

So for once, Legion fans heard the word "reboot" from DC and didn't have to worry. Weird.

---I’ve nothing really to say on this one as I haven’t followed the Legion for quite a few years now.



MYTH 7: "JSA Characters are Gone"

Well, this myth isn't exactly a myth, because it's partially true.

In the DCnU, the JLA is the world's first super team. And they only "got together" five years ago -- a story detailed in the first arc of Justice League by Geoff Johns and Jim Lee. DC Executive Editor Eddie Berganza told Newsarama it takes place at the "dawning of the age of superheroes."

So the DC-founding superhero team called the Justice Society is gone.

But the characters aren't.

DC confirmed that the JSA characters will be used elsewhere in the DCnU, though few have shown up in information released so far. Dan DiDio said on his Facebook page that "Karen Starr" (Power Girl's alter ego) will show up in one of the new 52 issues, although it's important to note DiDio said "Karen" and not "Power Girl." (And some have been guessing Power Girl could be the mystery woman in the new JLA image.)

We also know Mr. Terrific still exists, with writer Eric Wallace promising "cosmic" stories in his future, meaning he'll have to team up with someone who can fly into space.

That means characters like Stargirl, Jakeem Thunder, and Commander Steel probably still exist too. And they could show up anytime in not only Mr. Terrific, but any DC book.

Plus, there's always a chance DC could insert a secret "society of mystery men" into the universe's history. (After all, the once-WildStorm team Stormwatch existed "secretly" for a while in the DCnU, according to writer Paul Cornell.)

Or the Justice Society could always form later, because the characters do exist in the DCnU.

"Nothing is cut and dry," DC Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras told Newsarama about the apparent elimination of the JSA. "That is something that you have to keep reading to see what happens."

---Now this one has some credence. It’s really the ‘old JSA’ characters we kinda to worry about until DC finally reveals where they have been.


MYTH 6: "The DCnU Costumes Are All Jim Lee Designs"

Not really. The "myth" of Jim Lee designing all the costumes spins out of truth, because the DC co-publisher "spearheaded" the costume redesigns that we've seen for the DCnU's 52 #1 issues. After all, he's a DC co-publisher with a lot of artistic clout.

But Newsarama has interviewed several artists and writers who revealed that few costumes are straight-up Lee designs. Most of them were first designed by the series writers and artists, with tweaks from Lee, Cully Hamner and the editorial staff.

Tim Drake's wings? According to artist Brett Booth, they were an idea from series writer Scott Lobdell, and all the Teen Titans costumes were designed by Booth first with Lobdell's ideas in mind. Only later did Lee and Hamner assist on some Titans costumes. "There was a lot of back and forth about everything," Booth said.

Hawkman's organic weapon and costume? They're part of the story by Tony Daniel. "There are reasons for the changes that will become clear," Phillip Tan told Newsarama. "It's not just myself and Tony who are going through it. All the editors and Jim Lee and everyone have given input about how this is being executed visually and how it's affecting the story."

Keith Giffen summarized it in our interview with him about his new OMAC series, for which he did the original design on the lead character: "Jim Lee and Cully are the ones helping out with that, and it's not like they're forcing designs or anything," Giffen told Newsarama. "It's really about 'helping,' because they know the guys who do the book day-in and day-out are the ones who make the costumes work for their book. It's a team effort. Then I think Cully does the official turnarounds on the characters so everyone will know what the character looks like when they appear in different issues."

---This is another one that anybody who has been reading things knows is false. But I suppose those people who believed it don’t read as much. That and it is really what DC put forward to begin with.

MYTH 5: "Barbara Gordon Was Never Shot"

Ever since she was shot and paralyzed in the pages of The Killing Joke, Barbara Gordon has been kicking butt from a wheelchair as the character known as Oracle.

But in September, she's no longer in a wheelchair, and she's no longer Oracle. She's back to wearing spandex and swinging through the streets of Gotham as Batgirl.

So apparently, the DC "reboot" erases the shooting that occurred in The Killing Joke, right?

Wrong.

As Harras and Berganza told Newsarama, The Killing Joke stands. In fact, Berganza said Killing Joke "is really crucial to what we're doing." And Scott Snyder told Newsarama that Barbara's change from Oracle to Batgirl will be explained in story.

That explanation is presumably going to be written by Geoff Johns in Flashpoint, even though the writer's Booster Gold series established that Barbara's shooting could not be prevented through time travel.

This should be interesting...

---As they said, this should be interesting. It’s something I wanna know.


MYTH 4: "The DCnU is an Alternate Earth"

Many of the theories among fans about how the DCnU is created have been rather extreme.

They include everything from the DCnU being an alternate universe, to each comic existing in its own universe among the 52.

To clear up the confusion, Newsarama point blank asked Harras and Berganza: Are the stories we're seeing in September taking place on New Earth?

The answer? Yes.

"It's not Earth Prime or any other earth. It's not Earth-One or anything," Berganza said.

Myth busted.

---Things would have been easier if people could have said that everything from now on was an alternate reality. But Nooooo DC doesn’t want to do that…


MYTH 3: "Tim Drake & Dick Grayson's History is Gone"

When Dick Grayson showed up in a Nightwing costume and Tim Drake was only mentioned as a Teen Titan, it appeared that the former Robins were being shuffled off to a status that erased their history.

After all, Dick Grayson was just Batman, but suddenly he isn't. And Tim Drake had a solo series where he worked within the Batman family, but suddenly isn't mentioned among the Bat-titles.

Those fears were all laid to rest by Batman writer Scott Snyder and Nightwing writer Kyle Higgins, who confirmed to Newsarama that Tim is still in the Bat-family and Dick is still a former Batman.

"In Batman #1, we'll have establishing moments where you'll get to see the roles played by Damian, Tim, and Dick," Snyder said. "They are part of the first issue."

"I don't think you could do a Nightwing book at this point without dealing with the fact that he was just Batman," Higgins said. "One of the reasons he's Nightwing now is because of him just being Batman."

Of course, while these former male Robins appear to be still around, no official word on female former-Robin Stephanie Brown now that she's no longer Batgirl, although there are rumors she'll be back to her Spoiler identity in the DCnU.

---This is another big one. Especially since the Teen Titans solicit makes it sound like Tim hasn’t been a hero before…



MYTH 2: "It's a 'Flash of Light' Reset"

No, a flash of light doesn't change everything without explanation. From all indications, the changes to the DCU will be explained in story, and the place where they get their explanation will likely be Flashpoint #5.

"None of it is a radical flash in the sky and boom, things are different," Scott Snyder told Newsarama of the Bat-verse changes, indicating that readers will understand the reasons behind the DCnU.

Because all of September's #1 issues are supposed to be new reader friendly, this in-story explanation will probably occur in Flashpoint. (That's not surprising, since Geoff Johns has been tasked with explained big revamps before, from Hawkman's history to Green Lantern's resurrection.)

Of course, we expect that most of the changes won't get a highly scientific explanation, and they might actually leave readers scratching their heads. For example, we doubt the exact theories behind how Grifter is suddenly in the DCU will be detailed.

But something does "happen" to cause this. And it happens in continuity, and in story.

---This one really doesn’t matter to me. But your mileage may vary.


MYTH 1: "It's a Total Reboot"

OK, this one may get confusing, so hang onto something.

It's not a hard reboot. But it is a soft reboot.

Yeah, we know. Kind of kooky, huh?

But it's the truth: The terminology being used behind-the-scenes at DC is "soft reboot." And that means some things change, and other things stay the same. Some things are erased, and some things aren't.

Green Lantern books? Batman books? No reboot.

Superman books? JLA origin? Total reboot.

To give the term some background, in our interview with Berganza, he twice referenced the Geoff Johns relaunch style as a model for the DCnU approach -- specifically mentioning Teen Titans and Green Lantern. In other words, DC is hoping to mimic the Johns method of keeping what works, altering what doesn't, and explaining the changes.

Of course there's one big difference: Johns' comics had one mind behind them, and there are a lot of cooks in the DCnU kitchen. So the "soft" idea and its changes/non-changes might get confusing in-house too. To prevent continuity errors, Harras said the editorial team "compiled a timeline" for the DCnU. But the level of detail in that timeline could make or break the success of keeping continuity in check. After all, if the reboot is too "soft," history could get more muddled than it is now.

So will soft reboot equal soft sales? Or will the keep-what-works approach to the DCnU be a boon to comics? Nobody can predict for until the results are in, but fans will probably come up with a few more myths in the meantime.

---Again, anybody paying attention to what DC has been saying for the whole month of June knows it’s not a total reboot. But it would have been easier if it was….

Please tell us you took lots of pictures.
And that you will post said pictures.
Or at link to a site where you have posted said pictures.

I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.
Mostly it's 'this could be interesting.'
I won't say I'm 'looking forward to it,' because that's not quite true. But I am willing to give the stories a chance.
My sticking points are the loss of character growth that I see, admittedly from the outside. A few examples from my perspective

Barbara Gordon, as others have pointed out, has outgrown the role and need to be Batgirl. Now, she’s back under the cowl, and there’s no sign of the Batgirl that we just started to read two years ago, let alone the Batgirl we saw before that. Could the stories about Barb and why she went back to swinging around Gotham be interesting? Sure. And I want to know why, if as they say, she was shot and crippled by Joker, and had a run as Oracle, why she decided to go back as Batgirl.

Blue Beetle. Another character I really like. He’s see quite a bit of growth in the short time he’s been around. Started High School and even graduated. Had some interesting adventures before and after. And yet they are throwing him back into High School as a student. Well, I’m sure some interesting stories can be told there. But aren’t we gonna get some repeats? Those of us who followed his series are probably going to have a sense of ‘haven’t we been here before?’

Firestorm looks to be Ronnie Raymond and Jason Rusch. Interesting. That’s who the character is right now. Ok, I can live with that. The whole part where they are supposed to be ‘classmates’ has me scratching my head though. I really don’t see them going back to High School. And we have Blue Beetle for High School Superhero stories. The Ronnie that we knew is several years past college, and Jason had just started. So to have them ‘classmates’ means that Ronnie seems to have regressed several years. But again, I am willing to see how this is presented and where it goes before I take up arms.

In many ways a total reboot of everything would have been easier, but they are too scared of losing long time readers. Still, as I said, I am willing to see where it goes.
DC knows they are taking a tremendous gamble here, but we their fickle readers and their writers have pushed them into a corner. For them it’s grow or die time.

I'm all for Power Proliferation. The more the better.
I'm also all for Power Customization. Especially those powers that haven't gotten love so far. Like the Prestige Sprints. Prestige Power Slide is my favorite run power. Has been for the past...oh...seven years. I just wanna be able to color it! That purple energy doesn't suit all my characters!

Anyways on to talk of the reboot itself!

First is a little tidbit here about the casualties of the "softboot." If all that stuff is gone the boot isn't so 'soft.'

And then there a little story over at Newsarama about Hawk & Dove I found interesting here
I found this quote fun:
Nrama: Is it kind of surreal getting to work with Rob?
Gates: Honestly? It's bizarre!
Of course that's a little out of context, but still fun.

However, I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out which reboot/restart/event turned Hawk & Dove from avatars of "Order and Chaos" (which they were throughout their series. I should know, I have it all) into avatars of "War and Peace." I'm not sure I like that little twist.

Thank's Sevenpenny.
I'm gonna quote this in the other thread about the reboot.

Man, but I wish that the original pic was of even larger resolution so I could zoom in even more on some of these characters!

Ok, so I had to do somre research. I knew most of the X-Men characters, but not all of the Futurama ones by name.
I think I have most of them. Still need some help with a few


Leela = Phoenix/Jean Grey
Philip J Fry = Cyclops
Professor Farnsworth = Professor X
Amy Wong (PhD) = Psylocke
If Bender is Colossus that means Quicksilver is Flexo
Hermes = Bishop
Cubert = Cannonball/Sam Guthrie
Zoidberg = Wolverine

Kif Kroker = Toad
Zap Brannigan = Magneto
Lebarbara Conrad/Herme’s wife = Storm
Dwight Conrad/Hermes’ Son = Sunfire
Turanga Morris/Leela’s Dad = Nightcrawler
Turanga Munda/Leela’s Mom = An old version of Calisto?
URL/robot policeman = Avalanche
Lrrr of Omicron Percei 8 = Sabretooth
Lrrr’s Mate Ndnd = Mystique
Niblonians = Multiple Man/Maddrox
Scruffy Scruffington the Janitor = Gambit
Morbo = Omega Red
Roberto = Pyro (almost didn’t get this until I saw the fuel lines)
Angeline = Scarlet Witch
Robot Devil = Mister Sinister
Reverend Lionel Preacherbot = Deadpool
Professor Ogden Wernstrom = Sebastian Shaw
Robot Santa = Apocalypse
Linda/co-anchor of √2 News = Meggan
Richard Nixon’s Head = Juggernaut
Mom = White Queen/Emma Frost
Walt, Larry & Igner/Mom’s Sons = ??? (I know these characters, just cannot find references)
Calculon = Iceman
Hypnotoad = Havok
Edna = Yuriko/Lady Deathstrike
H.G. Blob = the Blob
Michelle/Fry’s 1999 Girlfriend = Selene/Black Queen
Seymore (Fry’s Dog) = Beast?
Geunter (Professor’s Chimp Experiment) = Banshee
Lord Nibbler = Lockheed
Elzar = Spiral?
Which means that Hedonismbot is Mojo
Tinny Tim = Cable!
Countess de la Roca (Bender’s Love Interest on the Titanic) = Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde
Bubblegum Tate = Gladiator
Kwanzabot = Horseman War (I think, he’s just so small. He’s definitely a Horseman.)
Hyper-Chicken = Archangel
Hattie McDoogal = Rogue?
Lisa (Bot with water wheel in chest ) = a mutant
Sinclair 2k= Thunderbird
Petunia = Dazzler
Mayor Poopenmeyer? (dunno doesn’t seem to have enough hair) = Longshot
.The build is right, but the hair color is wrong for Mister Panuchi
Malfunctioning Eddie = Warlock of New Mutants

Bender’s Orphans = New Mutants
.Sally (girl Leela and Adlai almost adopted with an extra ear on her forhead) = Magick/Ilyana
.Albert = Sunspot
.Nina = Magma
.Is that third girl in Magick's portal supposed to be Wolfsbane?

Lillandra looks to be Farnsworth’s Girlfriend when she was shown as very fat.
Robot Mafia (Donbot, Joey Mousepad & Clamps) = I know these villains, I just cannot bring the name to mind.
Polaris could be several people: Collen O’Hallahan , Dr. Cahill , Morgan Proctor with her hair down, Gwen from Romanticorp or possibly someone else. (though I'm leaning towards Morgan)
These three mutants, I cannot place.
This looks lick Chamber , But I don't know the Futurama person
This is Pennance , but I don't know the Futurama Person
This is Jubilee , but I don't know the Futurama person

I like the idea of the comic characters semi-aging. However, 12 issues equaling a year is too few. On the other hand 100 issues may be too long.
I rather like the idea of someone in the place keeping track of how long the stories last. If a particular story line takes a week to resolve, it took a week – even if that week lasted for 12 issues. If a character had a slow month, there goes a month. If the fight with the big bad of the story only took a hour of time, but took 4 issues to resolve, so be it. If after that hour long fight the hero is ambushed by another villain on the way home, and we have 6 more issues dealing with that, go for it. But keep track of how much time this is taking.

On the other hand, if the hero is transported to another dimension and time runs differently there, the hero experiences that story, but in the ‘real world’ a different amount of time has passed. This could get really wonky with time-travel stories, so you would have to really keep a tight reign on things. Yes, this could result in the hero having experienced five years of adventures while only a day passed back in the hero’s ‘native’ time. But this can also lead to some interesting stories when the hero returns to his time and has to deal with what happened on that adventure.

If you establish a character’s birthday three quarters through the hero’s year, then we should not see that character have another birthday for another year of ‘comic time’. Same thing goes for anniversaries in ‘comic time’

This would allow a hero character to be a high school freshman one year, and four ‘comic years’ later be a senior, with all the character has experienced in his or her adventures affecting how he deals with school life, and how the hero treats freshmen.

Sure, this would be a lot of work for someone, but it would add a lot of flexibility over the ’12 issues=a year’ while hopefully avoiding the ‘all that happened in a year?!’ incredulity of the 100 issues = a year. I mean seriously, think of how many things happen to your favorite character in 100 issues. Now try to cram all of that into a year. Does the hero have any downtime? But remember, none of this can happen if someone isn't keeping track of how long all of this stuff takes. So there would have to be an official "timekeeper" of the continuity.

Some other parts of that manifesto seem both good and too restrictive as well. No multiverse cuts off some interesting stories. As does the if he’s dead he’s dead. And limiting what-if stories to the fans seems strange as well. I rather like a lot of DC’s Elseworlds. And some of Marvel’s What If’s can be fun as well.

I don't know. I look at that and keep thinking of my tower fan



and the drum fan in my AC. And neither of them have the capacity to do more than move air.

Well, DC seems to have some sort of schedule for trickling information out to us, and they seem to be passing it around to different sources so nobody feels left out.

I wonder what they are going to reveal to us this week?

Since we're talking all things Hal GL here, refresh my memory with where I have this memory from.
I specifically recall reading a GL story of Hal's early carreer. He was in jail and had just recently gotten the ring. I think he was freshly back from a training session on OA. Well, anyways, the thing that sticks out in my mind is that he made a "Hal" construct in his jail cell so he could go out and do the hero thing. And specifically this construct was not green. It looked just like Hal. Because, as his instructor told him, while the energy used to make the construct is green, the construct doesn't have to be green. This little revelation was used a few times in the comic, but I don't know if this is still canon or not.

So, being intrigued by this subject, I tried to do some research. I found it easier to find which heroes are/had been married, so I made a list. It’s surprisingly long. It doesn’t contain everyone, and I have not mentioned many of those who are romantic or just dating.

Wally West and Linda Park-West. This paring brought Wally out of his womanizing ways and his love for Linda was the reason he was the first speedster to come back from the Speedforce.

Barry Allen and Iris West-Allen. A relationship that has been around almost as long as Barry himself. These two have been married since Flash #165 way back in 1966.

Jay Garrick and Joan Williams-Garrick. Seems like the speedsters get romantic a lot and married on a regular basis. Joan appeared way back in Flash Comics #1 in 1940. These two have been married since either a few months after Jay gained superpowers (Flash the Fastest Man Alive #1) or shortly before the Justice Society disbanded and Jay retired superheroics on a regular basis (sometime in 1951).

Aquaman and Mera – these two have been married since 1964. It’s been an interesting relationship.

Adam Strange and Alanna. This is another pair that have been married for a long time. They even have a daughter, Aleea.

Swamp Thing and Abbigail Arcane-Holland. Another strange couple. Somehow the earth elemental and his woman managed to even have a daughter, Tefé. A version of Abby was portrayed by Adrienne Barbeau in the 1982 movie. And we were treated to her….assets.

Allan Scot (golden age Green Lantern) married Alyx Florin (actually Rose Canton AKA the Thorn) had two children with her (Obsidian and Jade). His marriage with Alyx lasted as long as their wedding night. Rose Canton is now dead, and Allen married another former villainess, The Harlequin, who was actually Molly Maynne. Allen seems to have an affinity with the bad girls.

Wanna go for controversy? Apollo and Midnighter are apparently married. Although with the revamp of DCnU, this may be null.

Black Adam and Isis are officially married.

Mister Miracle Scott Free and Big Barda have been married for quite some time as well. Myself, I am curious how children would work in that relationship…

Slade Wilson was married to Adeline Kane, and they had two sons. This relationship didn’t end well, as they divorced, Adeline and his two boys died while being villains.

Hawkman and Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl – a love affair apparently going back centuries. These two have also been a couple almost from their first appearances.

Tempest and Dolphin have been a couple for a number of years as well. Since at least Zero Hour. They are also married. They have a son named Cerdian. However, Cerdian and Dolphin are not known to be alive after Specter laid the smack down on Atlantis in Day of Vengeance.

Rocket Red Dmitri Pushkin has been married for the entire history of the character. In fact, he and Animal Man got along initially because they both had families.

Kent and Inza Nelson – at least one version of Dr. Fate.

Jesse Quick/Liberty Belle has married the newest version of Hour Man in the Justice Society.

Jonathan and Martha Kent – this couple is instrumental in the development of Clark and making him the man he is.

Vision and Scarlet Witch. A strange coupling. Somehow resulting in children. Who may have just been Scarlet Witch’s imagination, depending on which retcon you’re talking about.

Red Tornado as John Smith and Kathy Sutton. Another strange relationship with a robot marrying a human. No children being born, but a girl named Traya was adopted.

Rex Mason (Metamporpho) and Saphire Stagg Mason. When she believed Rex was dead, Saphire was pressured into marrying another man. They have since been reunited and have a son named Joseph.

Robert Lanstrom (Man-Bat) is married to Francine (She-Bat) and has been for most of the history of the character. They now have two children, Rebecca and Aaron. Aaron is described as a mutant, as he has inherited the bat-like features of his father.

Donna Troy married her sweetheart Terry Long and they had a child they named Robert. Then Terry and Robert were killed in an accident.

Travis Morgan, the Warlord, is married to Tara and they have a son named Joshua.

Jaime Reyes is apparently involved with Tracy Thirteen. For now. With the reboot sending him back to high-school, this will probably dissolve.

Jason Rusch was in steady relationship with the girl named Gehenna, until “Darkfire” turned her into salt during Blackest Night.

Luke Cage and Jessica Drew are now a couple and of course have a baby.

Bruce Banner and Betty Ross are married, though with all the deaths and resurrections in their continued story, most writers seem to forget this. Bruce has also been romantically involved with Jarella and of course most recently with Caiera the Oldstrong. Jarella was killed saving a child by a falling wall, and of course Caiera was blown up by the ship that brought Hulk to Sakaar.

Angel Salvadore - Tempest of New Mutants and New Warriors - and Beak had a romantic relationship that resulted in at least six children. They may also be married now.

Both Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm have been romantically linked to Alicia Masters, Ben for much longer than Johnny. Johnny even married her before he found that she was a Skrull imposter named Lyja. I’m not sure if Ben and Alicia are still an item or not.

Black Bolt and Medusa were married, until Black Bolt was killed.

Crystal of the Inhumans and Quicksilver were married for some time and they have a daughter. Apparently at this time they are divorce, and Crystal has married Ronan the Accuser of the Kree Imperial Guard.

Captain Britain and Meggan are married. They had a long love affair before the marriage.

Hawkeye and Mockingbird also married after a long courtship. Then she died. And was resurrected and died again, and finally was revealed to have been kidnapped by Skrulls.

Hercules has been married to Hebbe for centuries, yet like most Greek/Roman gods still goes around womanizing. He was married and had a child well before Hebbe, but that ended badly…

Curt Connors (the Lizard) was married, but his wife died of radiation poison and the Lizard personality killed his son Billy.

Namor apparently married Dorma, but she died soon afterward. Plus, we all know Namor lusts after Sue Richards on a regular basis.

Everyone seems to forget Heather and James Hudson. These two have been married for as long as they have been around. This is another couple who has had to deal with death and resurrection, although this time it was the male partner who died and came back. They actually managed to have a child somewhat recently. A daughter they named Becky.

Hank Pym and Wasp were married for quite a while as well. Again the relationship was tumultuous.

Even Professor X has had a few romantic relationships over the years, at one time being married to the Shi’ar Lilandra.

Diamond Lil and Madison Jefferies finally married, and retired mostly from superhero life, but this is another marriage where the wife was killed.

Rick Jones and Marlo Chandler are another great couple. Again after marriage, the wife was killed, and also brought back to life.

Ka-Zar and Shanna the She-devil have been married for some time as well. They both seem to have solo adventures.





It seems that the writers of previous generations were quite willing to have heroes have romantic relationships that would develop naturally and even have their characters be happily married. However, the newest generation of writers (those from the mid-late 90s on) only seem to develop romantic relationships with characters in order to torture the protagonists of their stories. (see Women in Refrigerators). Sadly, many of today’s romantic leads for the heroes (both male and female) are created for express purpose for tormenting the hero. Writers are specifically building these characters up so that when they do horrible things to them the readers will have a predictable reaction. (go to WiR and see how some of the writers actually admit this.)