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Quote:Originally Posted by Xzero45
That's, um. That's what the guy said. Ya know, at the end there.
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Quote:Health is inherent, your statement is invalid.Originally Posted by seebs
I would not normally put a proc in triage beacon. It'd fire every time you dropped the beacon, but only affect you. I'd rather have it in health.
Since some MMs didn't need Stamina, some MMs didn't take Health, thus some MMs didn't have that available for slotting. Now that everyone gets health, go for it! -
Honestly any dominator can solo just about anything in the game (excluding AV's in most situations... my permadom plant/psi can take out quite a few AV's but it takes a little prep work prior to the fight. you know... shivans/nukes/insps.... And she is barely permadom... 4 seconds of stacked domination, but she has good defence/resistance for a dom as well.)
If you are looking to solo +1-+2/x8 there are a few great combinations for it!
Plant/Psi - Seeds/Drain Psyche/Roots/Creepers/PSW are your bread and butter.
Plant/Fire - Seeds/Combustion/Creepers
Plant/Thorn - Seeds/Fling Thorns/Thorntrops/Creepers
Fire/Psi - Flashfire/Hotfeet/Drain Psyche/Fire Cages/PSW
Fire/Fire - Flashfire/Hotfeet/Combustion
Fire/Thorn - Flashfire/Fling Thorns/Thorntrps/Hotfeet
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Quote:Nothing was mentioned about the incarnate system going live on any date soon. That would be i19 being released.Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
I think its the incarnate system going live
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Quote:While I wish we could plug into a robot or program to do the testing, preferably 100 times per combination in each category. Unless the dev's decide to allow a controlled group of people go to PTS with every brute build there is, with every IO combination possible, or if they themselves create a program/bot to run all the builds posted, and do the testing, we can't have that kind of control. So we do with what we have. Trust me I would love to have, more than anything, a solid base control line.Originally Posted by FitzSimmons
Any sort of sampling is a waste of time unless it happens in a short amount of time, is more controlled or is done by a robot or program in a repeatable, consistent fashion. Leaving it to the likes of me and Craaaaazy Larry is the wrong thing to do.
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Quote:Agreed.Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
Testing using 1 specific farm will not give you accurate overall results. While Shield is not that great at nem farms once the LTs die it can be great in other areas vs mobs without to hit buffs. Likewise /fire vs all fire mobs will do much better than vs all psi mobs but WP may do just fine vs both.
Also when shooting for the best inf/min ratio, +4 mobs are the worst way to go. +2 is normally the best setting w/o bosses.
I would like to try this, for the farm then -
I will create 3 AE farms using default villain groups. Nemesis, Rikti, and Freaks. The setup will be the following -
Enemy Group - Standard - (Nemesis, Rikti, or Freaks)
Map Type - Unique
--Category - Outdoor
--Map - City Map 02
Minimum Level - 52
Maximum Level - 54
Mission Pacing - Flat
Time to Complete - 30 minutes
Defeat All on Map
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I have already made the first - The Nemesis Farm ID is - 449116
Here are the parameters for the farm test -
For those who are not IO'd out -
+2x8
No Bosses
SOLO
For those with builds that cost under 1Billion inf-
+2x8
No Bosses
SOLO
For those with rediculously IO'd out builds (I.E. Purples, and the PvP IO Procs, or over 1Billion inf builds)
+2x8
No Bosses
SOLO
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For your posts-
Powersets - IE Fire/Fire
Build Focus - IE Defense/Recharge/HP
Farm ID - IE 449116 (Nemesis Farm)
Time Completed - IE 19:00 mins
Inspirations? - Yes or No
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Farm ID's -
449127 - Rikti
449129 - Freakshow
449116 - Nemesis
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I would like to see each farm run 3 times each by the same build, same player. Each time you do it post your varying times, in the above format. -
Quote:Sadly the thread isn't stickied. lolOriginally Posted by crayhal
Interesting thread and first thing that I saw since it was stickied.
I'd like to propose a test, since I doubt that I'd be able to test these all myself. For the following categories, please post your build and your finish time.
Starter Category: +0 x 8 Nemesis TV Lib farm, Solo.
- for BRUTES with just common IOs or SOs.
Goal: Skip all mobs with glowies and kill everyone else.
Champion Category: +2 x 8 Nemesis TV Lib farm, Solo.
- for BRUTES with builds that cost 1 billion or less to make.
Goal: Skip all mobs with glowies and kill everyone else.
Ultimate Category: +4 x 8 Nemesis TV Lib farm, Solo.
- for BRUTES with very expensive builds or purple sets.
Goal: Skip all mobs with glowies and kill everyone else.
Why 3 categories? Because not everyone may have the infamy to spend on a purpled build. So, what build is good to start with without much investment? That's what the Starter Category is for.
If you would like to suggest a particular farm, please do so. I suggested Nemesis since there's a good chance that people have this farm and if you don't, you can ask someone to start it for you.
AE farms might not be available for all servers, and I haven't done a lot of AE to suggest a farm that will test a build.
If you would like to participate, please do the test in the applicable category and post your finish time.
The test is a good idea. And I agree with your 3 categories. When I unlock the lib farm I will give that a shot. One thing that wasn't mentioned is the "I Do/Don't want to fight bosses when solo" personally I believe that no matter what set you are, bosses slow farms down, so I rarely use that option. But for the sake of the test, should we turn it on? -
Quote:Don't get me wrong BBJ, I am not exactly happy with the current state of the game either. It's not cool to see tons of ss/fire brutes running around. Personally I think SS/fire sucks and I would LOVE to see someone other than myself running around with a claws/fire or omg heaven forbid! Claws/DA (I know, it's terrible, why would anyone want all that awesomeness?! I mean what's the point in having tons of mitigation for minions/LT's, an amazing self heal, and oh yeah... cool looking armors too?)Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
Well OH YA who doesn't want the best after all. And so there you are.. one choice is all you really have. So CoH fills the streets with more SS/Fire toons than any other type, cause it's the BEST. Hey man nice SS/Fire toon.. ya hey there like mines the exact same as yours.. wow cool.. ya its the best!
Sorry I just think its kinda sad really that we have a list at all.
The point of the list however is to prevent some of the crap threads from people asking "Hey whats the best farmer?" from popping up. -
Updated the OP. Any other suggestions?
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Quote:That's kind of the point, honestly I view the entirety of of the game as a "farm". I personally have my IO'd out toons that fight +4x8 AE missions built for that set for farming. IO'd out toons for speed running low count, high risk missions, for farming purples/regular recipes/salvage. Toons that farm in the middle ground with +2/x6. Toons for farming TF/SF's for merits, and so on. I even have toons built for farming low level IO from mobs.Originally Posted by Incubbus
This actually tickles me a bit.. you know, as far as what you've posted thus-far, I've seen nothing to identify exactly -what- you constitute as farming. For the sake of argument, swift missions of low-count, high-threat enemies could be considered farming just as easily as high-count, lower-threat enemies, so theoretically you'd pretty much be solid with, well.. -anything-.
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Quote:Read the whole post, the only power combo that is in "order" is ss/fire and thats because of popularity. I put nothing in "order". It's a list. While listing all the power combos I have here, I am also proving a point. If you look at the list, so far, there are TWENTY-NINE (29) farming brutes! And there are more.Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
Wait what happned to Elec/SD.. oh ya forgot about that one, its down at #12 now.
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Quote:That's a good idea, really it is... But I lack one thing to get me to do that. Knowledge that the people begging to find out "what are the best farmers?" would actually read why they are the best farmers.Originally Posted by Incubbus
What might be more efficient and informative, would be to take each primary and secondary from this list and construct a simple paragraph/half-paragraph consisting of exactly what key powers (or a statement that it's the entire set working in-concert) that makes it perform substantially better than other sets.. the things that set it apart, etc.
For instance:
Super Strength
In addition to having a viable form of mitigation baked into nearly every ability (Knock-down-, not up) you have access to two of the strongest abilities available to a Brute for their corresponding uses: Rage and Footstomp. With adequate recharge and endurance management, you're able to forgo most detriments to Rage's use (as well as easily stack it twice) and also pump out increasingly ridiculous damage (and again, mitigation) thanks to Footstomp and any other Epic AoEs you might have chosen.
Your To-Hit is top-notch, your mitigation from damage through your primary is solid enough to cover many potential holes in your secondary, your ability to buff your own damage is one of (is?) -the- best and, most importantly, your ability to kill large amounts of enemies is suitable, once you have Footstomp and preferably either enough recharge to keep pumping it out rapidly, or a back-up AoE to keep cycling in the interim.
.. Ok, so two paragraphs. But I'm not a guide-writer and most of you who've already posted are able to condense the primary benefits for any set for nearly any preferred use far more concisely than myself. -
Some of you all that replied didn't bother to read past the list... Way to go!
T_Immortalus - I was asking for suggestions to add to the list, way to go on jumping straight to criticism and not reading the WHOLE POST.
_Deth2_ - Yeah some people are stupid, and I didn't include */DA because I didn't even think about it when forming the list. Which, AGAIN, is why I asked for suggestions to add to the list! -
Quote:QFT... I just want to alleviate some of them by removing the one liner threads that pop up asking "Hey whats the best farmer? duh... I can't think for myself..."Originally Posted by magikwand
Too bad those mindless "help me make a farmer" threads will pop up until the day this game goes under. They are the worst.
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To stop all the repetitive threads about "What's the best farmer brute?" I would like to have this stickied...
NOTE: The general definition of a farming brute is one that can take on +2-+4/x8, and quickly dispatch all enemies, swiftly moving onto the next group. (Please note that it is not only Brutes that can do this, but many of the Archetypes, Blasters (AoE Based), Scrappers, Tankers, Corruptors, Dominators, and so on.
-------------- THIS IS NOT THE ONLY KIND OF FARMING IN THE GAME, THERE ARE FAR MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO GO ABOUT IT!
------Examples: Speed ITF, Speed Tip missions, running fast newspapers, running Oro missions, and so on.
------Quick Notes about Attack Sets-
Super Strength - Generally considered the best for a farming character, because of Footstomp and Rage. Footstomp provides incredible damage, and damage mitigation by the use of AoE knockdown, while Rage increases your tohit and damage output.
Fire Melee- There is nothing more sweet than a Damage Over Time AoE (personal opinion)! Fire Sword Circle does great damage on initial hit, and does great Damage Over Time following, most of the time.
Electric Melee - 2 Very wicked AoE's Thunder Strike and Lightning Rod. Both provide knockdown mitigation, and awesome damage.
Claws - Spin is a really great AoE, combined with Eviscerate and most of the enemies in your path will be dead.
Stone Melee - Someone fill me in... I added it because someone else said they farm with it...
---- Quick Notes on Armors:
Fiery Aura - Aka Damage boost armor. Fiery Embrace adds fire damage to each of your attacks. Burn, is a great AoE patch damage, now that fear has been removed from it. Consume restores your endurance, provides end recovery, and end drain resistance, along with additional damage.
Willpower - Great HP, Defense, Resistance, and Regeneration.
Invulnerability - Great resists, HP boost, and heal from Dull Pain. a big -tohit, and defence boost per mob.
Electric Armor - +Recharge, and a good End Discount/Heal/Regen booster from Energize.
Dark Armor - Best self heal in game (Dark Regeneration), tons of mob controls, I.E. Fears/stuns (tons for a brute!)
Shield Defense - Decent defenses, an HP boost, AoE damage, and knockdown for mitigation. Biggest plus to the set is the +DMG from against all odds.
Best Farming Brutes in no particular order, except the first one:
-Super Strength/Fiery Aura
-Fire Melee/Fiery Aura
-Electric Melee/Fiery Aura
-Super Strength/Invulnerability
-Fire Melee/Invulnerability
-Electric Melee/Invulnerability
-Super Strength/Electric Armor
-Fire Melee/Electric Armor
-Electric Melee/Electric Armor
-Fire Melee/Shield Defense
-Super Strength/Shield Defense
-Electric Melee/Shield Defense
-Super Strength/Willpower
-Fire Melee/Willpower
-Electric Melee/Willpower
-Dark Melee/Fiery Aura
-Fire Melee/Dark Armor
-Super Strength/Dark Armor
-Electric Melee/Dark Armor
-Stone Melee/Dark Armor
-Stone Melee/Willpower
-Stone Melee/Fiery aura
-Stone Melee/Invulnerability
-Stone Melee/Electric Armor
-Claws/Dark Armor
-Claws/Fiery Aura
-Claws/Willpower
-Claws/Invulnerability
-Claws/Electric Armor
Build any of these brutes around a defensive based IO build, and your going to be a farming fiend. Now please for the sake of the forums, stop asking about the farming toons... It's very annoying... Unless your asking about a BUILD that you put together and would like critiquing on...
Anyone else that has a few farming builds I can add to the list please reply.
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Thank you both for your replies! I am already enjoying my lowbie widow very much, and can't wait to see how she turns out in the end! Planning Night Widow....
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I have 2 questions that I would love to have answered before I delve into my Widow, head first....
1. Which is better for someone who mainly plays brutes to be... Fortunata, or Night Widow?
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I'm trying to revise my fire/fire brutes build for increased survivability, but I can't seem to accomplish that goal. Honestly I really suck at building with IO's. So I come to you, asking for help! I am trying to get this build to have soft capped defence, and decent recharge. Please help.
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I don't even have a base costume for a re-design... I get mad everytime I make one cause it just doesn't feel right for the age group/character powers
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I am working on creating 2 new dominators... and I am completely at ends trying to make their costumes. The idea is to have an Earth/Earth Dominator, as a young young teen boy (13 or 14 years old). Then to have a Fire/Thorn dom, as a late teens/early 20's girl.
I haven't gotten to write the entire story between the 2 of them, because I can't seem to get their costumes.
So I come to you of the Screenshots & Fan Creations forum ( I miss the old format of calling this section the Art Forums...) for help! So please help me get past this costume design block and create 2 new very cool dominators! -
Does anyone know if the server transfers will go effective at midnight, as the night turns into 8/17/2010? Cause I am so anxious to bring my favorite brutes to my favorite server now... Can't wait for 12:01 AM! (Hopefully... Assuming they activate transfers for free at that time)
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What the title says - That is all.
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Quote:I guess it's time for the classic "soon (tm)" for all cryptic devs...Originally Posted by Kheldarn
No idea when/if they're gonna fix it.
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8/10/2010 - No characters from any server are transfering to GR Beta Test Server... I have tried so many times I have lost count...
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which i might add is against the EULA.
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No it's not.
oh really tell that to 1st the gm and then the dev that told me they are, maybe you should get your information together before you post? and according to the gm and dev i talked to, get ready for a patch to get rid of fams... have fun with your disillusions. and yes you cannot get teams very well at all that arent ae related and it dont take a rocket scientist to read the chat and see that 90%+ is all farm related missions, if you all dont see it maybe you have farm missions and/or are just blind to it?
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First off... Learn to quote the correct people. Second, learn correct use of the english language.
Oh and if you talked to a Dev, who was it?
And again, farming is not against the EULA.