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Sales lower over time?! SAY IT ISN'T SO!

No, seriously. I don't see anything out of the normal here.

I disagree, and will leave it at that. As Paragon seems to think so, too.

Song and Dance was done seven or so months ago.

I shall enjoy my 'gambling', and relish in the goodies!

It works exactly like you think it does.

Works for me, in the end.

If you don't want to support Super Packs, that's fine. But don't hide it behind the Red Herring of "It's gambling so it's immoral!". Twisting Zwilinger's words to say he's saying "IT IS GAMBLING" is as ludicrous as my apparent 'flawed logic' in your eye. Although this is an Eye of the Beholder thing, in the end.

If you want something so badly, go buy it. You're going to get the full set sooner than you think, much like Elemental Order. And you'd be surprised at how often you use the other goodies in it. I don't think I've ever been as satisfied with a purchase as I have been than with the Super Packs. By a long, long shot.

No power set has brought me continued amusement and frequent use as those consumables. Or as much fun, honestly. Weird, I guess. But, that's my stance. I'd hate to see them ruined because the sub-minority of the minority (AKA: The minority of the minority-driven forums) are upset they have to break fake morals.

And yet, I can admit? If the costume pieces were not exclusive, I'd just shrug and walk away from the Super Packs. Thus why I'd be so upset if they were made available outside of them.

If that's the price paid for Super Packs, I'm all for it. And really, done with this thread before it becomes a big argument and/or zombie horse. You all didn't get your way last time, you're definitely not getting it this time.

Buy the packs, or don't? That's your option, and pretty sure, like last time, Paragon isn't freaking out because ten or so people are trying to start the SAME protest that failed seven months ago, now.

You can scream moral bankruptcy or any other exclusive that comes to mind, but at the end of the day I'm a (future) Cosmic Corsair and you're not.

The opening post suggests Paragon is well aware of the potential social stigma that will come from releasing things out of set 'down the line'.

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Pretty much this. My counter is Paragon's stance on it.

End of discussion, honestly.

Gonna enjoy my Cosmic Corsair when it hits Live.

Your vampire should use the leprechaun and not draw so much attention to their dark and edgy side!

Any proof of your claim? The burden of proof is on both of us. All I can go by is Paragon's open statement of the extreme success of the Super Packs, so much they designed a second round of them instead of dropping them dead. We were openly told they were successful during the... Pummit, I believe? Or one of the live streams.

To that end, Burden Proof You etc etc. Or Paragon could be lying, nobody bought them, and they're giving it another go because masochism.

But, let me put it this way: There's no plans to release them outside of Packs at this time. I support this 100%. Buy the packs, or don't get the set. Use your stipend, or don't get the set. Either way, it's not 'gambling' and that's annoying to hear time and time again.

But the main draw of the packs was the exclusive items. I can safely guess that they did so well because of that.

I never said they were all bad, either.

A movie does not have a single star~

( Okay SOME do but they're not always good. )

Dominators seldom do damage with their primary ;P That's what you're likely doing wrong.

I have to agree with Local here, really. At least, in some cases. You aren't giving Phantom Army's AoE enough credit, unreliable it may be. To also suggest that anything you listed above it (Aside from Fire and MAYBE Plant) beat it at Single Target, is just not feasible.

The power of five pets plus Spectral Wounds would shoot it above Dark, easily. Dark has 2 Terrible Pets for damage (aside from maybe some Proc Manipulation but YMMV), the Umbra Beast is alright but it's prone to being an Idiot. The ST Attacks in it are fairly average. But it does sport a good AoE Immo for damage.

How this beats Phantom Army's ceaseless attack chain + Phanty and Little Brother + Spectral Wounds = What?

Gravity Control has the arguably superior ST chain, but Singularity is NOT beating five pets. Singy is also prone to being retarded, but IS a good pet. I don't see Gravity winning in ST, and Gravity's AoE is limited to one of the lesser AoE Containment Immos, and obviously Fireball. If your value is AoE over ST, this is an Illogical Choice because Gravity arguably has less AoE, unless ALL the value is on Containment Fireball.

Plant is obviously amazing, and I do have a 50 Plant. But the Damage it inflicts to... itself always confused me. if that's what it is doing. This also means it can also 'skew' things up because, if it DOES damage itself, it procs on itself too. That all said, Plant has strong damage. I DO question it's ST damage, however. Strangler and Entangle are GARBAGE powers, really. You'd entirely relying on Audrey, who tends to blow up still but is a good pet, and Creepers with out bodies isn't that good.

I do not see Plants ST Damage. it IS an AoE leader, but it's ST? I don't think so.

Fire obviously has the best in Holds and Immos for damage, and it's AoE Mob is up there too. The Fire Imps are deadly, but squishy, and Hot Feet is great. It does deserve that place.

TL;DR-

I think Plant is badly overestimated. Amazing AoE but it's ST isn't there unless you have bodies. This makes it a bit more situational, and less reliable than Fire.

Dark seems high. This suggests a very heavy emphasis on procs. But, that was noted before.

Gravity seems fine, but I can't swallow it beating Illusion. Equal perhaps, but Illusion got WAY too much flack for not having a generic AoE Immo. But your opinions are obviously your own.

Mind Control is overpowered as sin on Dominators. ESPECIALLY in PVP.

We'll complain about that garbage power in i24 beta.

Let me be a bit more precise, then.

"1 Judgment and your average in-set AoE" is usually all it takes for me to wipe out Level 54 Non-Bosses. Bosses take a little more love, obviously, but I'll have target-cap Minions and Lts. dead from my hit alone.

It doesn't work that way. 22% removes it flat out. It does not build up to the removal, unless we missed something from the devcast.

Which we didn't.