Reppu

IT WAS FIXED. It's a better power now. I am SO SORRY it hurt your IDEAL PLAYSTYLE. How many 50 Stalkers do you have again?

Really? REALLY? Hang on.


Edit: I'm sorry. Apparently it wasn't the Stalker Beta thread. My bad. But you did spout this off on two other threads, in varying degrees of 'I told you so' versus 'flat-out rude'.

It was the OTHER furry guy.

Hidden AS was never the best mechanic, I'm sorry. Yes, it was a powerful attack, and it actually still is. But, in the end, it was a poor mechanic. It didn't fit in the modern CoX playstyle, which is a heavy and fast damage method. Even Trials heavily reduced the effectiveness of AS due to all the AoE flying about, some of it being zone-bound so you could never dodge it.

It was cool, but archaic. I do feel that Unhidden AS does hurt Hidden AS, but... that's not a big deal. Better to have an ability ALWAYS useful, then sometimes useful and barely useful in trials.

And, you're still wrong.

The first Stalker update did let them get 30% Crit Rating, buuuuut it required your team to care. So... slightly better in teams.


Also, Leo_G? You posting the Stalker description got shot down on beta and is being shot down now. An AT is not restricted to their description. Also, I clearly see "DEADLY DAMAGE" highlighted there. Pretty sure they actually do that now, instead of being sub-optimal, sub-par Scrappers/Brutes.

All I see lately from you is "Wah wah Stalkers wah wah nobody listened to me". And that's exactly what you're doing. You're crying over the changes and saying everyone should have listened to you. No. They shouldn't have. You were wrong then and everyone supporting "Scrapper Buffs" or "Changes" are wrong now.

So if that wasn't what you intended, you kind of failed at it.

I'll go find the 2008 data again. It's not easy-access so it will be a bit. I'm sure someone else has it immediately at the ready and hopefully they post it for me, but if they do not I'll have it posted ASAP.

Also, don't be a fool, Leo. You know I can't magically answer you during your OWN posts. You JUST asked for the information, and I working on getting it to you. Really, stop it.

And yet you insist on continuing this trend. I believe it was Reiska who said, and I quote "It takes two to tango". And I believe the person he was quoting also suggested we were both the cause of this.

I also do believe my opinion has shifted from my original point, something you seem to be unable to compute. However, it doesn't change the fact that I have accepted that a GOOD and REASONABLY BALANCED alternative is acceptable.

Although, in the end? Your alternatives ARE empowered by the well. Paragon more or less reigned all alternatives in as being drawn from Human Potential, unless you believe Prometheus is lying. Which is possible, but given as it's our current lore, it's accepted.

If you're an alien? Your races 'Potential' is applied.

Robotic? It suggests you draw off your creator race's potential, but this is poorly explained so I do think robots are sort of up in the air.

If you don't like this, that's fine. It's your choice. But, and I stress this with my new opinion, if you can't at least reasonably explain your Incarnate-level power that ISN'T Incarnate Power, IE: you somehow also bypassed Potential Limits, with OUT making yourself out to be an Ascended, or otherwise excuse yourself from not being able to later take incarnate powers and be a Super Saiyan 2 Incarnate, then unfortunately, I do find you to be a bad roleplayer.

Do keep in mind, these requirements are now more explained and detailed. A bad roleplayer needs to commit a huge sin to be known as one. I've explained this altered (And original) viewpoint once before, and you chose to ignore it to continue on your warpath. Which is what you're doing, deny it at all you want. Again, two people called us both out. We're BOTH at fault for this.

Deny it if you need to, but ultimately the populace, in your own words, has decided. And, you're really boasting about me making myself look bad with out you even trying. You're not fooling anyone when you're being an obvious jerk. You need to stop with the little snippy remarks, they're not needed and if you expect my attitude to remain civil, you do, flatly, need to get over it.

People change. If you can't see that, maybe you are simply 'trolling' at this point, Dechs. What say you?

What? You were harping on and on about the buff. In fact, you did so like two or three pages back IN THIS THREAD. In fact, YOU SAY IT IN THIS QUOTE! You don't BLUNTLY say it, but you say it.

You disagreed with the buff because you felt, if I remember from your beta ranting, that it 'ruined the point of Stalkers'. Which you felt was better in the 'Hit and Run' days. You know, when they couldn't solo for anything because their damage was too low (solo) and their survivability was too low (solo).

And you dodged my question again. The point is XP Per Hour. That is the metric that matters. You, again for emphasis, cannot answer this question. Do you want to know the answer from 2008?

It's "No.".

If I recall, Stalkers did get a buff, but it was a team buff. It meant nothing solo. That means, in 2008, Stalkers XP Per Hour was far worse than it's cousins.

So, no. Your argument fails. Stalkers needed the buff, even if it hurt the ideal playstyle YOU felt they had. They are a far more globally enjoyable AT, and do what they were supposed to do in the first place; Single Target Damage Kings.

And I'm done with you, Leo. You insist on being rude because you can, and I mis-quote "Do what I want within rules". Have a good day.

That's more the fact that Patron Pools and Epic Pools work dumbly with Containment, more so than the AT being dumb. But, that's another thread.

I have a TW, and it got boring. It was too easy. I couldn't challenge myself anymore. And, it was TW/Energy Aura Scrapper. Just... too easy. Way, way, WAY too easy. I felt it was wrong, so I've stopped playing her.

Oh, I feel the need to correct something. I'll be quoting someone else for this.

Ahem.

"Dude. Reppu's a girl."

You edited, and I just checked back.

I think StJ is right on the edge of acceptable, but TW went too far. It should be scaled back, and everything else needs a buff. If TW becomes the new norm (And it isn't, because Staff Fighting is looking to be, flatly, average), that is NOT a good thing.

My suggestions would be to try to nerf TW with out destroying the set. StJ should be the absolute MAXIMUM power creep (I do feel it needs to do less base damage, and more Combo Point damage. AKA - it does less up-front critical damage. It doesn't change the overall power, but makes it less BS on Stalkers, and I suppose Scrappers. It = Crushing Uppercut).

The older sets need buffs, flat out.

And, I'm sorry about Regen. I wasn't playing Regen back then, so ho-hum. Maybe it was the worst way to go about it, but you can't deny Old Regen was way over the top. Which... is what you want so it's hard to stress what was wrong with Old Regen.

The power creep DOES need to stop. There needs to be a new balance point, things need to be buffed to it, and then nothing should ever go above it by more than a single margin.

Sets like TW and StJ obsoleted many in performance. Martial Arts is now a mediocre set due to StJ, and TW just out-shines everything. Period. This is wrong. And we can't buff sets to those levels, because it increases the power creep and, eventually, we will have to enforce more auto-kill grief mechanics into fights for pseudo-difficulty.

And nobody wants that.

Why do you assume I want 3 Minions = 1 Hero? I simply don't want the power creep to continue. Titan Weapons is too much. Now you're using a strawman against me, aka Jack Emmert, someone the community largely hates, against me.

You want the game to emphasize as overpoweredly broken as it can get. You want it to be the norm. I disagree with that. I think Titan Weapons has gone far too far on how powerful something SHOULD be. This does NOT mean I want everything balanced around Spines.

Quit using strawmans and discuss this rationally. Unless you can't, which is just a victory for me.

Apologies, I swear I saw "DO NOT NEED". However, you claiming that the games needs to be as broken as possible? Is bad. Even the devs want the game to be more difficult, which won't happen if we decide to increase the power creep further and further and further. And it's the PLAYERS who have PLEADED for difficulty. For a CHALLENGE. This means YOUR dreams go against 'The Vision'.

I disagree with you. Flat out.

And I agree with Regens initial nerfs. Toggle Instant Healing was overpowered. Energy Melee? Pre-Nerf Energy Transfer was too powerful, but the set needed tweaks after this. It sadly didn't get them, thus why it's where it's at... which is actually 'average'. It can't compete with overpowered set, but Energy Melee is fairly average now, although with poor AoE.

City of Heroes needs to be scaled BACK, not FORWARD.

I actually did it on accident, and realized how much I liked it. I was going for "ArcanaTime Animation", and somehow shorthanded "Arcanamation".

Win/Win.

As for Melee Sets being buffed up to StJ/TW? No. That just ruins Blasters more, unless you plan on suggesting Fire Blast and Friends being buffed up to AT LEAST Titan Weapon's level of power. Because we already have proven Fire Blast is equal to an average Melee Set, and everything NOT Fire Blast is just "Lolololol".

TW is a set that NEEDS nerfs. To suggest things should be buffed to it would go against the whole "This game needs to be more difficult! ... LET'S BUFF EVERYTHING TO THE OVERPOWERED BROKEN SET "

I don't agree with anyone saying things should be buffed to overpowered sets.


@Zyphoid: Okay, I'm sorry. That's stupid. You're suggesting they balance around power, which means anything not... Titan Weapons is going to perform poorly. Again, Fire Blast is actually a pretty mediocre set in comparison to the Melee Power Creep. What you're asking is insane.

DPA indeed. Also a very useful secondary effect. I also don't consider overpowered Pay 2 Win sets like Titan Weapons, a set I STRONGLY feel needs a few hits with the nerf bat, but never received and never will now. You will not find me harping on about a set needing nerfs like Titan Weapons does.

If your view of 'superior' is burst damage, then yes. Dragon's Tail falls behind, slightly. Still animates a LOT faster with a good base damage, though. In fact... (Skipping the flatly BAD ones)

Dragon's Tail: 81.2 Base Damage, Knockdown, 1.716 Arcanamation.
The Lotus Drops: 91.34 Base Damage, -Defense, 1.98 Arcanamation.
Spin: 108.7 Base Damage, 2.64 Arcanamation
Fire Sword Circle: 126.7 Base Damage, 2.94 Arcanamation

....

Nope, giving it to Dragon's Tail. It is definitely one of the better overall PBAoE's, by a margin, of STANDARD PBAoE. AKA 8 Radius generics. It won't beat the power-creep AoE's (Spinning Strike arguably, Whirling Smash DEFINITELY).

Note: I am aware of Damage Scaling, and Dragon's Tail keeps up very nicely. It's speed also allows a secondary AoE to be fired off quickly, for faster 'burst' damage IE: a fireball.

You can't even accept that you possibly made a mistake, one that even other people have acknowledged you did. But, that's the beauty of opinions. You'll never grow as a person if you think in absolutes, Dechs.

You... don't get it. But that's okay. It's a robotic point of view you're using, and that's fine. I'll leave it at that. I'm way too tired of this back and forth.

I'm sorry, but Dragon's Tail is one of the better PbAoE's. Yes, it's Martial Arts ONLY AoE, but it is one of the best in the game, flat-out.

Yes, Dark Melee lacks the same quality of AoE but I know a lot of people will fight to the DEATH defending Shadow Maul, Dark Consumption, and Soul Drain.

Yes, Energy Melee has very weak AoE, BUT it still has it.

Now, let me just go to Stalkers for a moment...

Dragon's Tail? Snipped.

Flailing Derp? Snipped.

BUT AT LEAST THEY KEPT SHADOW MAUL! ...

I do not understand why people immediately attack one's own play experience when stating a case. It's almost like they all take a page from the same book of counter-logic. And it didn't work then, it didn't work now.

BUT! I am ending the rambling here and point out your biggest failure; You could not state for a fact Stalkers could solo as effectively as Scrappers/Brutes/(Tankers?). Hit and Run is not an efficient XP per Hour way to do anything, so don't respond with that.

Let me reword my question; Could Stalkers keep up with Scrappers/Brutes/(Tankers?) In XP per Hour, which is the metric that mattered, while soloing? The SAME metric used to bring up the Blaster disparity (along with Blasters just failing in general)?

Try to keep the train on the tracks in your next response, Leo?

And try to be more polite next time? People get on my case when I get even slightly aggressive, so if I'm going to start pointing out when people are pointlessly insulting others.

I can't quote it so simply. You're asking me to quote something generic like... what can I say with out getting in trouble... uh...

"Jerk". And escalating from there. I can't do that because that's not what happened.

What Dechs was doing was looking down at me, and insulting my intelligence. This is what I found to be insulting, far more than any single word. The catalyst for this was having an unpopular opinion, but also saying (abrassively, admittedly), that people who can't work within a setting are bad roleplayers.

While I do feel this is normally a roleplaying sin, my opinion has shifted somewhat when GOOD examples are given. Those are rare, however, and normally I see poor examples that make me cry. An example would be the World of Darkness roleplayers who are using City of Heroes as a substitute until their MMO is finished. This is setting-breaking and I feel is bad roleplay.

Maybe you can excuse it through PORTALS, but I feel this is just another poor excuse for even poorer roleplay.

But, I am rambling at this point. Dechs was chastising me for being rude, while being rude in doing so. Ironically enough, in his opening statement, Dechs may have accidentally proved my initial point right. But, I'm not going back into that.

To sum it up, again;

Dechs did not use a choice word to insult me. It was his constant tone, superiority flaunting, and intelligence-questioning tone that put me off, far more than YOU did for telling me to shove it, in fact, Nalrok. What you did was far more obvious and easily shrugged off. What Dechs did was far more grating and provoked my initial salvo of exchange.

When it continued, I stopped getting quite as annoyed by it. Although that annoyance returned when everyone was claiming he was doing nothing wrong at all, but this is because people were looking for obvious things. I stopped being bothered entirely when I felt this entire exchange lost it's purpose, and just began to be a back-and-forth character attack, which Dechs can deny but that is what it became, on both ends.

Ultimately, we both went so-far off topic that it's hysterical. My opinion still stands; People who cannot work within the setting are generally going to be bad roleplayers for it. If they can promote an alternative that still works within the setting, that is acceptable and happily accepted.

Kheldians that are not Kheldians are frowned upon and generally not roleplayed with, because changing the core of the race is "What?"

People who roleplay a power set as something else are entirely fine. Unless "Fire Blast" is suddenly "Ice Blast", then that's just "What?"

Soldiers of Arachnos (And Widows) who have no past dealing with Arachnos are eyerolled at, and only roleplayed with if the reason to explain their Arachnos Training not being Arachnos Training is good.

And I'm rambling, again.

Ugh. Just, yeah. Dechs insulted me, with no 'generic word' used. If you can't understand what I mean, oh well. I was still insulted and went on the defense/attack because of it. That's all.


Edit: NOW, keep in mind this is no excuse for me doing the same thing from time to time. It is simply what insulted me, and what caused my escalating backlash. Stressing that because if I don't, I will get called out on it. Eye for an Eye, so on and so forth.

Of course. The only alternative is to buff everything to TW's level. Especially Blast Sets, which ALL suck. Even Fire Blast is equal to the most average Melee Sets in total DPA rotations (Katana).

The 'bad' support sets could use some tweaking, too.

But we also got a stinker set (Beast Mastery), so it works out.

I meant MY post, that's all! And nah, let's drop it.

You are not getting Perma Heat Loss and Benumb at SO levels. Stop doing IO to IO comparisons, which is NOT what the average player will be doing. It's almost like you choose not to read things! I clearly said "Unless IOs are concerned, Dark Miasma is a superior soloing set."

Cold does not compare to Dark at SO levels. Fearsome Stare is far more reliable as an alpha opener no matter what as well. Sleet still gets you opening volley'd. Twilight Grasp is a good buffer to mistakes, which Cold doesn't have. Tar Patch does Sleet's job "Well Enough".

Dark is better at SO levels, and arguably better against enemy groups in general. Cold is above and beyond superior against AV/GM's, and at extreme recharge levels, in general.

Argue it if you want, but this was an SO post, not an IO post >_>