Redoptic

I say this with the deepest sincerity, OP go outdoors and try to stumble upon a non facetious life.

When you're old you'll thank me.

Stupidest thread the past 24 hours.

Title says it. From what I've seen over the years Tankers have some of the more ardent followers, just look at tanker tuesday it's been going longer then anything else run by players, because people who play the AT have stuck with it even with leveling bazillion alts.
I mean even my man BABs talks about his Tanker with fondness.

So take the title and run with it.

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He's right for the most part because Brutes just suck at surviving without buffs. Tanks are beasts with or without 'em.

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And I stand behind the point that the quickest way to getting a shield reduction in Brutes is to keep yammering in the Tank section about how brutes are just as sturdy while doubling the damage.

I don't agree with that, you take an unbuffed Tank & Brute on an ITF, and the brute will faceplant every single mission unless it's stone, and even then it can only last so long.

But what's the end game of the complainers?
You think the powers guy is going to revisit issue four Tank stats in any remote way? No, then what is he going do, he's going to "take a look at" Brutes, or haven't you paid attention to how he's dealt with balancing powers & ATs?

At least the lot of you that keep coming over to this section to backhand Tanks will have something entirely new to piss and moan about in the Brute area.

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On the other hand, I personally don't see any reason to play a tank anymore. Never loved them, and now I don't have to play a tank in order to be a hero and have decent shields.

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Just as this idiot topic was left for dead someone's got to add their 2 cents.

Just did an ITF with a mix of brutes & tanks yesterday, and once the buffs wore off the brutes they were absolute toast and me on my old invul moved in and pulled the agro to save their weak arses over & over.

Hey with buffs even a damn blaster can tank, that's nothing to brag about, but when the buffs wear off and your guy is the last line of defense for your team, hell I'll take a tank over a specialty AT any damn day of the week.

And by the way, the more Brutes are made out to be as durable as Tanks while still doing amazing damage, the more you're pleading for the powers guy who reads this to bring their shields down for GR.
You're not very bright if you don't think that's how he'll deal with that. Because the man already thinks tanks are too strong.

Congratulations.

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How about the game checks your hero and if you are lvl 50, it substitutes the image of YOUR hero for a statue in Atlas Park, say? Or they could add a place in Peregrine Island, or use the statue behind Maria Jenkins.

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That's kind of like the city of heroes splasher I think, and it would be very slick, could that be done with the current system I wonder.

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I am also in favor of some sort of metric or standard to be in place that sets a guideline for ideas like this.

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This, I'm fully in support of. (I'm very much "on the side of caution," if you've paid attention to my comments.)

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You know this thread speaks to a bigger topic that all 14 vocally opposed have overlooked by a mile.


Saying you'd like to see some standard or metric on this idea while spending ALL your time trying to shoot down the vehicle that might bring that about, is a contradiction.

Wouldn't it be amazing to have THIS in OUR game? That's a feature in a game that's not even a year old.


Do you really think the devs would consider the request in the OP without first considering a system to reward laudable milestones by other players, and events? Really?

In that, you're really selling yourselves and everyone who's accomplished worthy milestones or feats in the game to date, and in the future, short.

[u]You say you want a standard and contemplation by the devs, but the vehicle to start the process is right in front of your eyes.[u]

You've pointed to other entities that are worthy, yet clearly those associated with them are no where near as passionate about their cause as those who've attended TT through the years.
More likely, many of the leaders of the afore mentioned don't have active accounts anymore.

Contrast that with the person responsible for starting TT returning to the game to support the idea.


This is the vehicle to force that "metric" by the devs if there ever was one, by the broad show of support, to possibly usher in something like THIS, but you're so inclined to think inside the box that the point completely misses you, just as it did with Power Proliferation for many of you.

[u]You were wrong on Power Proliferation (I have pms battle scars on my sons account from a few of you from those days ), and you're totally missing an opportunity with the OP.[u]


Airing on the side of cation and inside the box clan thinking rarely gets anything interesting done, just as it wouldn't if some of you had your way with PP.


In effect you could say that this event and those offering this outside the box idea are pioneers of maybe something like this making it's way into the City Of game world.


[u]But you're not exploring anything, or promoting any new ideas, you're just hunkered down in your narrow box dissecting every minuscule fact to "air on the side of caution". [u]


Maybe the devs will still think of an equitable system to reward better then exceptional feats by players and forumites, because of the uncontested milestone highlighted in the OP (like a Hall of Fame instance, with an entire map filled with stutues and plaques highlighting legends and legendary accomplishments), [u]but it wont be because of any of the obstructionist minded pack.[u]


You offer [u]nothing new[u], only the same rehashed rewards that are growing five years long in the tooth, while even the devs have tried to think outside the box on this topic.



And for that you do a disservice to everyone in the game, including yourselves, who've accomplished crazy amazing milestones while playing this game we love.

This could be in the games future, and it's at least worthy of a polite debate. Using your obvious intelligence to offer alternative new ideas, ways that this could happen equitably in game, like maybe using the MA as part of it.


Think outside the box, be proactive, if a one year old game can think of some new and exciting way to reward true achievements, then why can't you, you're friends, you're events and groups, who've unquestionably made not just a mark but a crater in this game, be rewarded with something innovative exciting and brand new?!

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*points to my laundry-list "give 'em all this" suggestion*

... which would be visible, with varying points, both to subscribers and non subscribers.



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Well how about this Memphis Bill, since those opposing seem to look to you as the leader, what if there was some graffiti added to that wall in that area that was innocuous enough to be missed by 99% of all players, instead of adding a plaque there.
It could say something like Tanks pwns u, or something that's funny and already on some walls, just not at that location yet.

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Player's Choice Awards by ALL servers, not just Champion.

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That looks like an [u]actual certificate of all servers support.[u]
How many events, whether they're still going or petered out years ago, have a document voted on by [u]all the players[u] with the signature of the games creator and popular CR Cuppa on it?

That's what I thought.

Thankfully to those looking to argue, that event was only held once, or you'd likely have five screen shots with signatures on them, and not a leg to stand on.

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I noticed that that certificate is 3 years old, for an MMO alot can happen in 3 years. I also don't recall ever voting for such a thing and I've been playing this game since launch.

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I'm not going to harass you about it, because the answer is explicitly clear. No other event does. The rest of my post spoke to the players choice awards being held only once, if you'd like to read it.
Peace.

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Player's Choice Awards by ALL servers, not just Champion.

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That looks like an [u]actual certificate of all servers support.[u]
How many events, whether they're still going or petered out years ago, have a document voted on by [u]all the players[u] with the signature of the games creator and popular CR Cuppa on it?

That's what I thought.

Thankfully to those looking to argue, that event was only held once, or you'd likely have five screen shots with signatures on them, and not a leg to stand on.

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If it were up to me, which is obviously not the case, not only would I place a marker there as AceMace has suggested, but I'd have 400+ tankers put it up!

I think it is completely MEGA that you guys have kept the TT Torch burning. On the first tuesday of every month, no matter where I am, a little voice reminds me of where I'm not!

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Tank well, and give 'em hell!

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/em bows

We were always on different servers, but you were so highly regarded as a good guy and great player, and the fact that the event you started has run strong for a crazy long time, says a lot about where it started. /salute


Whether it gets done is up to the devs, even if a couple posted a thousand times in here against whatever. I remember when a few regulars in this area would chastise and heckle anyone who dared bring up power proliferation, they'd say over and over it was conceptually wrong and it would never get done, so basically get out of the area with the stupid idea. How'd that work out.
Well it's not up to a handful of vocal players, it's up to the devs.

And I say let whoever fill up the thread with their same arguments over and over and over and over, it's not going to change the players accomplishment from all the servers that participated in making a remarkable milestone for a monthly player event happen.

I say celebrate, don't hate.

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I don't think how many know about the event really matters. Most people who are unaware of Tanker Tuesdays would also be unaware of the plaque, so it wouldn't even effect them.

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I know right, no one even goes there, I bet if you spent a week in that area on all servers you wouldn't count enough to buy the equivalent in a happy meal. /resigned

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While the TT is a specific event with specific parameters, being Tankers, the suggestion isn't being made to support all Tankers everywhere but to honor the long tradition of the event itself. The existance of the event hasn't prevented anyone from creating their own alternatives (indeed, it has acually inspired similar events for other ATs.)

I see where you are coming from Witty, but I think that our desire to equalize things is not always the best path. Honoring one event doesn't mean that other groups or events are losing anything.

I might have a bias for Champion, but I don't play Tanks (and therefore am not a participant of Tanker Tuesday.) I do think that a five year history is something to be very proud of for any event on any of the servers, and deserves some recognition.

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That's how I feel, this really should happen, it's a puny plaque for a really really great event. In fact it's the only thing in this game on any of the servers me and my boys play on, that we schedule something around. I mean every Tuesday at the first of the month since we started playing this game in the 04, this fun gathering happened, and it's still happening, and will keep happening till they force us from the servers.
We've never seen it as a server thing, it's just were we all meet, like everyone meets on test for pvp, or something, it's all good.
I think instead of being negetive it should be praised that a thing like this could keep going strong all this time with the players dedication, I mean 60 months in a row that's hella long time.
Why wouldn't we want to praise that, with a smidge more then a two hour toon title.

/Way in favor

Nice guide.

Nice.

The behind the mask interviews, have been a little underwhelming.
The copy past questions, the notoriously belligerent person being highlighted. It exhibits a lack of interest, and it looks very very sloppy.

This weeks was much better, over whomever has been doing them.

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Wow-

Thats a ton of info. I certainly appreciate all your hard work pulling all that out and cleaning it up for us.....me in particular, because I have a Fire/Fire Tanker.

Great job, I'm curious to see how long its going to take to gain this build. The possibilities that IO's and set bonuses provide will actually allow us to have different types of Fire/Fire Tankers. The diversity of the Inventions feature is going to open up the customization of this game greatly and I for one am excited about it. So thanks for providing the future template of build guides.

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What [they] said

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Thing is I probably will only buy and sell at the consignment house. Frankly I won't bother using the outside trading. I'm not that desperate for influence. It still is essentially meaningless once you have a character high enough level. Sure in the 1 - 30 range influence is tight and you fight for it but after that? Phswahh. Its easy to get, so I don't see why people are wanting to sell for high values? So you have a rare recipe and can't get more than say 50k for it? So? This is bad why?

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Not so bad. I'm fine if people only want to get an HO for 50K. Let the suckers put there's up and get screwed. Mines get traded with my friends.

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I will buy there (should there be anything) but wont sell there, I dont need any inf and would sooner give HOs, IOs, reciepes and so on to my friends and carry on deleting the lvl 53 SOs I dont need than to use WW in its current incarnation.

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Sadly, I feel the same way. I'll be scouring for bargains and trying to set up trades on the boards and elsewhere.

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While I do agree to some extent, from what I've read it does sound interesting. My son wants those cool tech wings, lord knows what we'll have to do to earn them.