Red_Gren

Is Indian food a no go for you? (Just checkin.)

Since this is a short notice event, I don't think we'll have as many people, but having an idea about head-count really will help me figure out a venue. There are a couple of places that I've reacquainted myself with that I think folks would like, but are better for smaller groups. If it's going to be 20-30 people I think those places will be right out. 10-20 maybe.

So... post if you're coming! I needz ta knowz!

BTW Scimi, the cat ate the teleporter.

Headcount: 6

I have a differing opinion. I enjoy the set so much I don't mind paying for it. More than that, I am happy that I paid for it as soon as it was available. It's just that awesome. (For me.)

If I thought it were a mediocre set, or a poorly executed implementation of a powerset that I was really looking forward to, then I would be bothered by having to pay for it. Street Justice? IMO I couldn't give them my money fast enough.

While you're absolutely correct, please examine the quotes from Shubbie & NT. Hopefully I haven't misunderstood some humor on your part.

Given this, why did you buy it sight unseen on the day it came out? I've seen your name around the boards & so I figure you've been around long enough to know that there are awesome players out there that are manic enough to provide these details.

If you had waited, you could have seen these details & made an informed choice. Instead you chose to make an uninformed purchase on the day of release, are unhappy about it & are demanding a refund?

Jeeze-louise! Take some responsibility for your own foolish choice!

Learn from your mistake!

(BTW: This is me assuming you're a responsible intelligent adult, if I thought otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered to respond.)

That's what I did. I even thought to reserve the name on the other server until Street Justice came out. It may not have been necessary, but I wanted to be sure.

The only reason I can think of to use Exalted is to try to get a name you know is taken on all the other servers. I figure it's best to try now before the name search gets as annoying as it is on the rest of the servers.

e.g. I know Mermie grabbed at least one good one!

I thought it was amusing how many people clogged up that server last night. I wonder how long it'll stay that way?

It's not necessarily obvious, so you can't be blamed for not thinking of it.
I've seen Arwen use "PRO-TIP: <insert pro-tip here>" in-game & thinks it's really appropriate here.

PRO-TIP: When on Lambda trial, keep a few spots empty in your main power tray for temp power drops!

I don't quite agree with this sentiment. I think you do need to let the devs know when you find something they introduce to be a really good (or more) addition to the game. That lets them know the kinds of things that are appreciated by the players. Keeping quiet about what they do well & only speaking up when there's a problem can lead to more "don't do this" development which I don't think is as enjoyable as "OMG MORE PLEASE!!!" development!

That said, given your OP, I think you're aware of this. (Or at least coming to realize this! )

Cheesy is the bailiwick of one of the other superhero MMO's available today!

It's not that I'm doubting you, because I do recall hearing something to that effect as well, but do you by any chance have a citation or time-stamp you can point us to for confirmation? Part of the reason I ask is that someone I talked to thought they recalled that the person who had said that had later corrected himself. If I remember the conversation correctly it was they thought Zwillinger was the person who told us & later corrected himself in a Ustream broadcast.

I'm hoping we can get this piece of information nailed down as it would provide those concerned about missing out on the tier 9 VIP rewards a different avenue to acquire their desired reward. (Assuming they're close enough that these 3, 6, or 12 reward token lump sums would allow them to claim the Celestial costume set.)

Many thanks if you can provide the citation or a clue as to where to find a citation.


Edit: Yay! Already covered as I wrote/before I got that far in the thread! Thanks Zombie Man!

*/e facepalm* I'm not calling them liars, I never called them liars. If YOU saw that, YOU read the bias in. I am saying that it hasn't been specifically addressed in a way that was clear to people who are especially concerned about it. Because it hasn't been specifically addressed, people who are especially concerned about the availability of the Celestial costumes don't know how aware the devs are of their concerns. Thus, I'm stating, they should speak up if it's that important to them. I'm not saying that they will necessarily get a response, but that they should make the effort. Why? Because the dev team is pretty good about monitoring the boards & making note of people's concerns. Sometimes they even respond.

As to the second part, I personally don't think they would lock the costume set away after it's initial release period, but I can see how it would be a concern to people for whom costumes are important. I can even think of a badge example that could provide justification for that concern. It's not possible for every player to get all the Anniversary badges. Some of those badges, some players will never be able to get. Now to someone who isn't an obsessive badge collector, that makes perfect sense. You weren't there to earn the Xth Anniversary badge so why should you ever be able to earn it?

So now we have the tier 9 VIP rewards which have been announced to offer rewards on a limited-time basis. AFAIK, it hasn't been specifically stated what refresh means. AFAIK it also hasn't been specifically stated the the tier 9 rewards will be made available again at a later date. For me personally, it's not a big enough deal to worry about. However, for some people, this is a concern. Maybe the devs have already anticipated their concerns, but these people don't know. Now some of these things are fixed & can't be changed based on design decisions made long ago, but other things are still in flux & might be changeable. Not being privy to what's going on behind the scenes, the people who have concerns should say something now. They shouldn't be ranty about it. They should demonstrate that they've made an effort to understand how things work, and then explain why things as described concern them. Explain why they don't like what they understand is going to happen & then let the devs take in & consider their feedback. Maybe the devs will act on it, or maybe they won't, but at least the person concerned will have made the effort to get their concern addressed & considered.

Again, no. I'm saying that they are many people working on a project that has lots of details. They get most things right, but they can also make oversights & mistakes. They try very hard not to overlook anything & to not make mistakes, but sometimes things do slip between the cracks. I'm saying that people who have particular concerns SHOULD raise those concerns if they have reason to believe, or see direct evidence that those concerns haven't been addressed. By doing so, they give the devs the opportunity to see both what the concerns of their community are, and where their current communications may not be doing as good a job as they'd have liked. Based on the feedback they get, they improve their communications by addressing the issues they didn't communicate as well as they would have liked and are of concern to the community.

Something appears to have happened & your thought here did not get expressed completely. (Evidence that even the most thorough people can have slip-ups)

And I expect it would have been released as a booster pack, or been made unlockable in-game. I think it only became acceptable to have a costume set as a subscriber reward because they moved to this new reward system. I think the lack of costume sets in the later Veteran Rewards supports my position better than it does yours.

While you may expect that, it has not been specifically stated that it will happen as you believe it will & thus is an open question. The development team is not perfect & things fall through holes in many organizations all too often. Thus, it's not needless panic to voice your concerns in an effort to ensure that something that's important to you doesn't fall into one of those potential holes. It may be tiresome or annoying for you to read, and the issue may already be addressed, but for people not in the know, it's unknown & thus a legitimate concern that should be voiced.

Also, while you might believe that the dev team would have placed a costume set as one of the later veteran rewards had the system continued as is, I do not. I believe they had stopped doing such things based on feedback from the player-base indicating such things were undesirable.

It's for this reason that I believe people should carefully go over all the information the devs release about Freedom (& in ths particular case the Paragon Reward system) and then provide feedback about things that are unclear or of concern to them. In doing so they may make the devs aware of things they've overlooked, or hadn't considered and thus make the Paragon Reward system that much better for everyone. This thing is still in beta & thus change still is possible. (Granted probably not nearly as much as people want and not nearly as fast as they will want it...)

But see, at this point it's still unknown as to whether it will remain available, so they have every right to be concerned & should express those concerns. If they don't, the devs won't be getting feedback that could be important. I don't see the devs doing things out of heartlessness either, but I can see them doing it out of obliviousness or by underestimating the importance of some aspect of the game to the player-base or portion of the player-base.

If it's any consolation, I'm near enough to be fully vested & I understand your disappointment. The pics posted of the new costume sets do make them look to be pretty spiffy & thus desirable.

What Snow Globe & PeerlessGirl may be forgetting is that the information available indicates these costume sets will be available for a limited amount of time & then get changed out. No mention so far of if they will ever return outside of that limited time-frame. Some people have stated "cycled" which suggests a return, but IIRC the slides (& thus the devs) actually say "refreshed" which means it could be gone forever outside the limited time-frame. So, those not able to get them immediately may not EVER be able to get them! Dev response would be needed to address this issue. (Also, based on feedback which Moly & Electric-Knight are rightly providing the Devs may need/want to re-examine the issue.)

Given that, it's TOTALLY understandable that someone for whom costumes is a big part of their enjoyment would be disappointed that these costume sets are AFAWK only available as tier 9 VIP, given what tier 9 VIP means.

Oh yeah... yes, you could buy your way to tier 9, but depending on how far away you are that could be what some would consider a ridiculous amount to pay for a costume set. Technically fair, but realistically, given the range of incomes among the player-base?

So... I'd say, keep stating your opinion, tell them your concerns. The issue is in beta & thus still subject to change. Also, this is an MMO & is constantly evolving.

If you run into more people like this, you should point out that Ninja Run allows you to take advantage of even the slightest inclines. The walls into Lambda sector are not straight up & down. I've had the best luck wall scaling with Ninja Run where the wall connects to the gun towers. (Less geometry to get stuck on.)

There may be a factual error in your statement in the last paragraph as I don't know what you've purchased or earned through veteran rewards.

You get 2 character slots base, plus those you've purchased, plus those you've earned via Veteran rewards, plus 2 for purchasing Going Rogue. That's TOTAL slots, not slots per server.

To me, that's a pretty big hit, even though I mostly play on just one server.

There are other things you lose access to that you haven't mentioned, but that could be because they don't matter to you. And that's fine, that's your decision to make.

However, I think your viewpoint has blinded you to the fact that other people don't look for the same things you do. When I look at what remaining a subscriber gets me, I DO feel the price I pay is totally worth it! You may think I'm a sucker & laugh at me for believing so, but remember, in turn, I'm laughing my tuchus off at some of the things you are saying you believe. Also, I'm shaking my head & slapping my forehead at some of the other things.

I'm not clear on what your concern is here.

Yes, all the things you've previously earned via Veteran Rewards look like they will be pre-selected for you. However, from there onwards, you'll be able to select the order in which you get your rewards within a tier. Since they're granting tokens for every year you've been subscribed (new benefit), you should have at least a few unspent tokens that you'll be able to pick & choose the order in which you'll acquire the rewards within the tier you end up starting in.

The new guys will need to select everything you've already got to get to where you are now, they "just" get to change the order that they get them in.

Some people seem to be down-playing the benefit to picking the order in which you acquire rewards within a tier, but let me tell you, I certainly look forward to picking up the "Reveal" power "early" on my second account! Some of the other rewards look nice, but "Reveal" is the one I want ASAP! And now I have the option to do so once that account gets to tier 7. Seems pretty spiffy to me.

I don't know if that addresses your concern since I'm not sure what it is exactly, but I hope I got lucky & addressed it anyway. If not, please do try to express your concern more fully & hopefully that information is already available & someone can ease your mind!