Pwning_Ghost

your spreadsheet is amazing, but one thing i cant understand is that even at max perception and my max -perception i was seen from over 100 feet away by a controller in sirens call, maybe it was a fluke the other day. im sure it wont happen again. to confirm all this info i'd like to ask, if im a stalker running hide+stealth, and have a teammate grant invis on me, and i have dangersense +300 perception, i should only be seen from 10 feet away by any AT in any zone correct? just want to confirm that.

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That, too, is covered under "The most important thing to expect in PVP is that there will be many times you will be defeated without any possible way to defend yourself."

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no, see i dont think you can simplify it that way.
thats why i added the post about assassin strike.

there are actually many ways that "you will be defeated without any possible way to defend yourself"

maybe we can make a list

here are some -

1) assassin strike, as i mentioned, why i put it first, is this is the most suprising and annoying one, you could be fighting an opponent, or surveying the battle field from a distance, trying to determine the right moment to strike, or tactic to use, you could be just about to kill someone, or you could be lured to attack what would seem to be an easy target, or you could be just adjusting your costume and fixing your hair, and suddenly.....dead. no retalition, nothing. just dead.

2)you can be chain held, or immobilized and be able to do nothing as you watch your health dwindle away.

3)you could be teleported to a trap, and there are many types, and you die.

4)you could have so many status effects and debuffs on you that you cant move, you cant hit, and your doing no damage, that youve been debuffed so bad that even if were you try to pick your nose, you would miss. so no matter what you do a hospital trip is soon coming. this one is the most frustrating one, cuz you are giving it your all, your blasting away with everything you got, and your doing nothing. the opponents health is barly less than full, and your attacks are doing very small amounts of damage.

well, ill leave to it everyone else to list some more ways that
"you will be defeated without any possible way to defend yourself" cuz im sure there are more

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just like to add that list if you have less then say 1050 hps(in warburg)you can be killed by a stalker wielding:
assault with BU+TF+ET=dead squishy in about 2 seconds after you see your enemy.

Warning material may not be suited for younger audiences, viewer discretion is advised.

you people are killing me, i made a EM/NIN stalker 10 days ago he is level 30 now and i have to tell you im both happy and sad about my choice, 20 seconds to recharge ET and TF what do i do in the mean time?

with NB i can get off 2 complete chains in 20 seconds which is higher dps then energy can hope for. i thought hasten can help me, wrong, my build is too tight to take it so now im forced to rely on the crappy attacks to keep fighting. if i miss ET or TF which dont even crit while hidden then for the next 14 seconds at best im screwed and will be forced to run away.

all this talk about EM being so powerful is BS the damage they do is relative to the recharge rates as DPS and the comparison to other types of damage is almost stupid since half of our attacks can crit from hide anyway and that damage is unresistable so quit wining about EM and deal with the arguement at hand.

One shot kills -who gives a dam i got one shot today by a +2 minion freak for 239,239,239 and dont know how it happend, but i can tell you this much if i was using NB i would have killed him instead i missed with ET and died when he hit me after the fact.

this is just a game and an enjoyable one at that, one of my friends has a stalker that is spines/regen, he doesnt have stealth or invis, he doesnt have any +perception and still managed without cheating or teaming to get 400 rep in warburg alone.

now i ask you people that are complaining to tell me this, is how is it possible someone could accomplish this in a few days?

answer : he is just better at killing 12 year olds that cry on forums all day and dont know how to play their heros past pve. he told me his hardest fight was against a ice/em tank but still killed him on the 3rd try.

he gets one shotted by other stalkers all the time and it makes him upset but you know what? he keeps playing the game and refuses to complain about it on the forums because he figures he will get his from time to time and thats all he cares about, bottom line, you win some, you lose some, stop crying about it you cant always win !!!

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Assassin strike at level 50 vs a target with no resists at all, at the damage cap:
Base: 250.24
Critical: 1501.47

Total: 1751.71 hp in one hit.

Level 50 Stalker has 1017.1 hp.

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thanks for the news, wow were gonna be one shotted by scrappers then, seems all these nerfs and no love in the health department. guess we'll all have to go kamikaze after level 50 cause those hp's are gonna make us dead real quick.

ahh a meta-gamer, you are the people im trying to stop in this game, the spys, cheaters, and well the game itself is helping you, note the bottom of my sig, remove all powers info from pvp zones its cheap, hence without that info you wont know any of your opponents and the lions will feast upon you.

well when the devs put lions into the game, those that dont transform into lions cannot compete in the concrete jungle of our pvp zones. the way i see it were the new lions for this game and only other lions = specific pvp builds and AT's can be lions, the rest are lucky to be part of the herd and feed upon last. i know a lot of AT's that can kill me the same that i can kill them AS or not, and i know others that will never kill me because im a lion.

nope its not ment to be fun, only the strong survive, i believe in the food chain, and survival of the fittest and in this game if you dont plan your build around fighting the lion you will become the zebra.

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Buffy, you seem to be asking that the Developers change Assasin Strike in such a way that a Stalker can never ever use it on a moving target, or a target that moves within the 4 second animation.

I dont believe that this is reasonable.

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Actually, I haven't asked for one thing from anyone except the Stalkers who like to kill you without risk to themselves. I would like them to consider not doing that. Some of the good ones say they don't. The others say they don't have anything else they can do. I don't believe them.

If you look at all my posts, they have been fact finding about the Stalkers AT (I do complain about the no-risk deaths ). If the people who played them didn't abuse their power, nobody would complain. Well, some would anyway

I haven't asked the devs to do anything. I did send the one bug in when I got more damage in one-shot than I had hit points. That seemed like a design implementation bug to me, considering it wasn't an archevillian or Hamidon himself. I think my level 50 Scrapper was only one-shot once, and that was from the Psy Clockwork King's alpha-strike (no protection against psionic damage). I got revenge using Phase-Shift for the alpha. Hamidon himself couldn't one-shot me

Oh, I remember a Blaster one time saying he got one-shot by a burning building explosing... something like 150 thousand plus points of damage...

Edit: this is what I have learned so far:

Stalkers get the defense and status-effect protection of a Scrapper (resistance cap of 75% was the same for all but Tankers and Kheldians on the hero side, unless they changed that), 90% of the damage of a Blaster, and Controller and Defender's hit points. They got a reduced Build Up (80% instead of 100%), no Aim, Placate (Placated foe can't target you for a short time), Hide (-500 feet perception) and AS (moderate damage + unresistable critical when hidden which appears to be about base X 7 damage).

I also learned it takes Tactics + 2 of the lower accuracy inspirations to see a Stalker with Hide + Stealth (unless you have something like Targeting Drone or Focused Senses).

And finally I learned about the Line of Site (LOS). You have 4 seconds from the point you hear Build Up (if you hear it) to break LOS. And, you can get AS'd if passing within 5 feet of a Stalker, no matter what speed if you don't break LOS.


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some day you will realize that stalkers are assassins, and what good is an assassin that has to hit their target more then once, have you watched the movie The Matador about the old timer assassin that was getting soft and missed his target and his boss wanted him wacked, well Lord Recluse is my boss and im not getting on his bad side!

Marine snipers are trained to kill their targets in one shot from far away then disappear.(back in the day a sniper with one target would be given one canteen of water, 5 .50 cal bullets, a little bit of food, a 20 mile crawl and 3-7 days alone(sometimes with a spotter) in the middle of the jungle, if he missed his first shot he was usually screwed)

Marine Corps motto, one of many: one shot one KILL!! the devs made us, were perfecting it, and people are complaining, its ok to change it a bit but dont hurt us without helping us at the same time.

do all of us a favor for the sake of preserving the younger, help seeking, not so creative individuals by getting some professional advise or at least some criticism before posting your thoughts or ideas as a "guide" for others. thankyou that is all.

hey shadowdeep, you realize that spines does toxic damage right. your last statement doesnt make sense. and I7 is only for villains aside from the PvP zone

their not too tough you just have to kill them out of order is all. spec ops first then nullifiers. biggest problem is when their in larger groups with a warden and another boss.

having that boss healer makes everything that much harder they still dont make me as mad as the placating succubus and CoT in general.

any AT with the right person playing can beat any other AT, everyone has weaknesses, most of the weaknesses in pvp arent the AT's people play, its the people playing them, some people see a build and they make a decent killing machine for pvp and then die, why, was the build wrong, is this other guy cheating, are they overpowered, why am i weak, and instead of them looking in the mirror, they want to point fingers at others who are just better then they are. if you've pvp'd in many games and you do your research and your trial and error, you will come ontop reguardless of AT build, there are some sick combos out there and if your good enough you can take them down too. i'm not the greatest, but i strive to better myself all the time, as a stalker i feel like the underdog, in pve i pull more then my share in most groups, 1shotting lt's, 5 shotting bosses hand-to-hand with them for a minute, i'd say in a 8 person group i get 25% of the kills just because after i 1shot, i scrapp it out and kill another. in pvp, i dont take it seriously yet, so i just find someone, target, follow, SJ, BU, red, red, land, unfollow, AS, auto gambler strike def debuff, soaring dragon, sting of wasp, dead hero, SJ away. im just starting out in pvp in cov so the first 2 kills and one defeat were fun for me, being held for 20+ sec and paper cut to death by a blaster kinda sucked, but oh well. i think stalkers are what they are, NINJA'S, plain and simple, get in "assassinate", get out. if they fail the AS, then they deserve to die, if they can fight their way out of it then they should hang their heads in shame.

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I understand what your saying..what I'm telling you is that almost all 9th tier scrapper attacks also state this and Ninja Blade is a direct copy of Katana. That double damage is the chance to crit even when not hidden.

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ive read all the 9th tier abilities of scrapper and stalker, and most say devistating damage or chance of crit, thats all good, but only 3 out of all scrapper and stalker state double damage, not just crit but double, and if those words crit and double damage are in the same sentence then it is assumed that sometimes upon a crit, and sometimes upon double damage that they will occur together, and if you add "hide" to that equation, that is what happend in the screenshot, it was a "sometimes" event.

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Actually all scrapper attacks have a chance to crit. anytime.

Also IIRC all 9th tier scrapper attacks except for DM have an even greater chance to crit.

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im explaining that unlike other scrapper or stalker 9th tier abilities, that broadsord, katana, and ninja sword state that it has a chance of double damage, so in that im saying that whatever damage you do, regular or crit that you have a chance to do it twice in one attack, make sence?

double post sorry.

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how can it be a bug, if an ability has a chance to crit at normal and all stalker abilities have perma-crit while "hidden" then this isnt a bug.

check it out this is its description

you perform a golden dragonfly attack that deals a massive amount of damage and can even knock a foe down to the ground and reduce it's defense. this attack has exceptionally god critical hit capability, bette than any other katana attacks, that can sometimes deal double damage. the power of this attack can actually extend a short distance through multiple foes.

enjoy

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I just don't see how they would want any class to make two criticals with anything. there is no other power or ability that works this way, as far as I know.

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well look at scrapper then cause they have the same exact attack in katana and looks like broadsword has something similar, also only ninja sword, katana, and broadsword actually say sometimes deals double damage. so i guess out of stalkers the ninja sword users get the uber damaging attack, but remember out scrapper buddies get the same attack and pay attention its not that it crits as important as it sometimes deals double damage. that is the key.

how can it be a bug, if an ability has a chance to crit at normal and all stalker abilities have perma-crit while "hidden" then this isnt a bug.

check it out this is its description

you perform a golden dragonfly attack that deals a massive amount of damage and can even knock a foe down to the ground and reduce it's defense. this attack has exceptionally god critical hit capability, bette than any other katana attacks, that can sometimes deal double damage. the power of this attack can actually extend a short distance through multiple foes.

enjoy