PrincessDarkstar

It is 5 of any specific bonus, regardless of where that bonus comes from.

However LoTG's are I think are different because they count as global bonus' not set bonus', therefore you could have 5 x 7.5% from LoTG AND 5 x 7.5% from Basilisks Gaze.

I am about to leave work so can't reply to the whole post, but this isn't anything against you AlienOne, reading over the advice people give is just something I always do, just in case something has been missed.

Plus it lets me know where I need to start from when giving my own advice.

I don't think when it comes to specific power advice I have ever felt the need to 'correct' you, or to 'approve' your posts, aside from the odd minor thing.

Lol I remember that!

The feeling of worry that you were getting too tired to play, but equally didn't dare take a break!

At the risk of getting dragged into an arguement I don't think they will work out better than a standard damage proc against anything other than AV's, simply because even bosses don't stand up long enough to get the full benefit.

Ignoring the chance to proc, lets assume it has procced on a boss, you then have 10 seconds to cause 10% extra damage, but considering a boss only have ~1500 hit points that 10% can only be 150 damage at most, even less because the first hit with that proc will likely take a chunk of hp, and even worse because the boss is unlikely to actually last the full 10 seconds.

Getting a guaranteed 70 damage straight from a proc is better against everything other than an AV.

But then you have to consider that you cannot self stack the chance for -res, but there is nothing stopping a damage proc going off every time you hit. So I would use the chance for -res as a 2nd proc only, and that is assuming you have fully slotted the rest of the power.

It is one of those times where it sounds like a nice idea, but doesn't quite pan out in practice.

I think that this game is so easy people are used to having everything given to them. With that kind of attitude they might as well remove mez from the game. And it is sad that so many people share the same feelings.

I much prefer the mechanic of dropping to Dwarf than just shrugging everything off. It adds that extra element of fun and tactics, and gives you the challenge of building a character that has a good enough Dwarf form to cope.

I find that challenge fun, some don't.

But I really like the fact that Khelds are fairly rare, makes me feel special

Well that sets my mind at rest and I think and MoSTF would be possible in that case.

Though I think an all Kheld STF would probably be harder than an All Any-other-AT STF, apart from blasters

You are completely right.

I wasn't actually talking about a compromise of view, because once you fight through all the antagonism in the posts everyone does think very similarly. I was more referring to a compromise in the way people post.

Both sides know the value of the points the other side is making, but both sides are so busy defending their own side that the message is hard to find.

The compromise we need to come to is more about the way we approach each other, so that neither side gets too defensive or offensive.

I think it would take a lot of practice to single pull the AV's without a snipe ranged attack, but if we did manage that I think there would be enough damage to get them down - probably not very fast, but they would fall.

Getting all 4 at once though would lead to a team wipe in record time.

Exactly correct
Agreed slightly - AlienOne is correct that Stamina and Health (As well as any passive or toggle powers) will not work while you are in either Nova or Dwarf, so are only of use if you spend a lot of time in human.
But, while Dwarf/Nova can be slotted with endmod and endredux I don't think that is a good use of slots. I would always advise people to make sure the attacks have plenty of endredux slotted instead. I can go more into the maths on that if necessary.
Personally I would take the proc out of Quasar and leave it 5 slotted, unless you really want that defence bonus. You can put that into Unchain Essence, and probably find a slot from one of the shields too.
But I would most likely slot Unchain Essence as a stun rather than as an attack - just a personal thing because I don't even have it in my build at the moment.
Yes - 6 slot that baby! They are I think the 2nd most damaging pets in the game behind fire imps, maybe even more so since recharge no longer affects pets.
I wouldn't neccessarily 6 slot it, but I would skip the Miracle +recovery (You do not need that with a well slotted Stygian Circle) and go for a mix of endmod/heal/recharge and try and get it around the 10-15 second mark.
Again I agree completely, Eclipse is probably the best resistance power in the game and you need to firstly max the recharge (And the more global recharge you can get the better - so it comes up faster), then you can add resistance bonus' so you can cap your resists with less targets.

That is it exactly!

Do your damage in Nova, hide from mezzes/tank/survive in Dwarf, buff and nuke in human.

The way most tri-formers work is exactly the same, the human buff powers like Dark Extraction/Sunless Mire/Eclipse are used when they are up, but all the fighting is done in the other forms.

The best advice is to pick powers that don't need slots to be effective.

In my case I went for Grant Invisibility, the Medicine pool powers and some travel powers.

The powers themselves may not be all that great for you, but it means you have the slots left to put into those powers that you do use all the time.

Onto my extra advice:

Black Dwarf Mire - I don't really like the Obliteration set in this power because it doesn't have enough endurance reduction. Currently you are using about 13 end every 10 seconds, and you can't do that for long without running out of endurance. I would sacrifice going for set bonus' and just get the best mix of Dam/Endrdx/Rech you can into it.

Black Dwarf (Form) - Try and find room for a third resistance IO, or replace the endmod with a resistance IO. I also have the chance for +end proc here, because the attacks are so endurance heavy.

Sunless Mire - The slotting is very good, but try and watch carefully how often you use it, if you aren't using it as often as it comes up then consider moving a few slots out of it. I know I don't use mine as often as I really should, so it has ended up with only 3 slots.

Superspeed - You don't need the 2nd slot

Dark Detonation - This goes for any similar power. Either you use the power and therefore it is worth more than 2 slots, or you don't use the power and can drop it. In this case I would drop it, because you have better AoE's from Nova.

i16 will give us the ability to run 8 man spawns on our own without having to gather a team to sit in the doorway, and because so many people will do that it should mean there are more purples dropped overall, and thus prices will go down.

It basically means everyone can farm without actually farming.

I will read over AlienOne's comments about your build soon

With a human only Warshade I actually think the AoE and ranged defence might be over the top.

Once you have fully saturated Eclipse you are also at levels of recharge so you can cast Stygian Circle in less than 10 seconds, that is a 100% heal every 10 seconds.

Damage wise I suspect a human form PB might outdamage a human form Warshade, but with Inky Aspect/Gravatic Emination/Eclipse/Stygian Circle you should be much safer as a Warshade - but all that is educated guesswork since I have never played a human only version of either for very long (I missed my Nova after one day of human forming my Warshade).

Lol actually I am in England (Didn't see you were from Guernsey) but I need to wake up early for work, so 10 is my bed time

Well I always played a Paladin in DnD so yeah probably

Makes me wish once more for a cross pond server merge!

Haha, the problem I have with PB's (Aside from the KB) is that I prefer the tri-form style so haven't really paid them the attention I could have, since I know Warshades perform better as tri-form.

When I saw Solar Flare I was impressed, with a good recharge build that would put out some serious AoE damage.

Human form PB is looking very much like how I play my Black Dwarf, two very solid single target powers plus a great spammable AoE. But without needing a kin to allow you to actually get to the next mob quickly enough

Yeah it will probably add that bit of damage that added to Gravity Well will give you the corpse for that chain
I am actually just putting 3 recharge IO's in mine. You have good global accuracy, and I think it is better to slot it like that so you can use it as a buff rather than an attack.
Stupefy is a lot cheaper than Positron's Blast
I am using the res/rech from Aegis, Titanium Coating, Impervium Armor and Reactive Armor. I think one of those is quite expensive, but I think worth it.
Superspeed grants stealth without having the +stealth IO, and you also have Shadow Cloak for stealth.
In PvE at least, Shadow Cloak + either Superspeed or a +stealth IO will put you at the stealth cap, so if you put that +stealth IO into Sprint, then using Shadow Cloak + Sprint will give you the most stealth you can get. That was you can ghost missions while still having the control of Sprint. Or, you can still choose to put Superspeed on and move quickly, it just gives you one more option.
Perma-Eclipse is something I would call the key, so I would be prepared to make a few sacrifices for it, and this is one power I can see worth the sacrifice, because using Sunless Mire before Quasar will still give you good damage. But the Obliteration set will go nicely in here.
To be honest aside from Decimation (Which is expensive) I would pick the cheapest out of the others, they are both very similar in numbers.
The best way to look at procs is just put them into mids and look at the how the damage changes. In general once you have 80%+ damage in a power then a damage proc will work better than an extra damage IO.
I have frankenslotted mine rather than putting a set in it, I think the power is so good that I would concentrate on getting the best % for Dam/End/Rech you can get.
That is what I would do, but it is one of those personal things depending how often you use those powers. The one thing I do know is that since you have a self res and tp you make a good battle rezzer.
Most of the veteran players have gone through a lot of respecs! Just keep playing and watch carefully for which powers you use, if you find yourself not using some powers look at what you can swap them for, if you are using powers a lot then make sure they have enough slots.
Ah maybe, I don't think there is much difference in the numbers or sets available so it isn't a big deal. I am just very anal about things like that

I think it is good to have the mix of both on these forums to be honest.

You are right that giving tactical advice is very valid, and showing someone what they are doing wrong will be better for a poor player than adding 10% to DPS or resistance but assuming the player knows what they are doing at least mostly then adding that 10% extra numbers wise is easier than teaching them the next level of skill. And when dealing with an experienced player adding that extra few % is the only thing we can do for them.

So I would definately say we need a good bit of both, and both sides need to compromise a bit so we can help people get the best of both worlds.

Never played a PB to that level but Solar Flare looks a lot like (Not animation, but numbers) like Black Dwarf Mire, but Black Dwarf Mire has a massive +dam/tohit, which makes up for the slightly lower base damage. And running about spamming Black Dwarf Mire is the most fun thing I have ever done in game (Though I need a kin for the extra run speed!).

So I wouldn't necessarily base it on one power, but looking at Solar Flare does give me a new appreciation for PB's, and makes me wish even more the KB gets changed to KD.

That is the problem I had lol.

I made my Warshade first (Because I liked purple ) and love the basic powers like Nova/Dwarf, but then when I look at the powers that make the difference between the AT's I just love what Warshades get more than what PB's get

That is good actually, you will probably learn more with us explaining where you have gone wrong than just posting a perfect build. And although you will find us argueing a lot about the best ways to play, we do tend to agree on which powers are good and how to slot them.

Yeah I purpled my Warshade out with 6 whole sets back in the day and didn't pay more than 50mil for anything - and that included my buy-it-now mentality. These days the prices are just mad.

You can get a very good build though without purples.

Last thing: When planning a Warshade aim for recharge and then probably damage if you can get that in too.