OPTICAL_ILLUSION

Originally Posted by UnSub

The NCsoft Q1 2010 financials are out and things don't look good for CoH/V. Q1 covers January to March 2010, which includes the start of the GoRo pre-order offer (March 2, I believe).

In that period of time, CoH/V earned 3 348 M Won, which roughly translates to about US$2.9m (I've used an end of period exchange rate than an average over the 3 month period, but I don't believe there is much difference between the two results). Sadly, this is the lowest quarterly revenue generated by CoH/V in its history. It's a 13% drop on the previous quarter's earnings, with Q4 2009 being the previous record holder for the lowest revenue generated. In Won terms, it is also about half the revenue generated compared with year-on-year figures.

It's a result that is probably explained by the lack of content releases in Q1 2010 and that players may have adopted a 'wait and see' approach about Going Rogue.

DOOOOM comments incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2, ...

Originally Posted by UnSub

I haven't yet updated this to reflect the most recently figure, (which is US$2.93m iirc), but I did create this to show the previous history with $US:



As for what NCsoft expects from CoH/V, it's 19 000 M Won for 2010. At today's exchange rate, that's about US$16.6m. GoRo is going to be a major revenue driver, but the real question is "how major"?

In wider terms, Aion is doing great business for NCsoft and the main Korean operation is doing very well. That doesn't mean much for CoH/V since NCsoft has probably worn out its patience for unprofitable titles that don't have a chance of recovery.

Other MMO developers generally don't split their revenue up by game title. I'm waiting to see what Atari's next earning statement looks like and perhaps Turbine's earnings will be more transparent now that they've been bought out. EvE looks like it continues to grow its active sub figures. EA doesn't talk about WAR anymore and servers have been shutting down on that game all over the world.

EDIT - To add, the $US conversions were calculated using an end-of-period approach, rather than a 3-month exchange rate average. When I did the check on the two methods, the differences were very small at the top level so I used end-of-period.

Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION

let's not forget about the financial excuses either.


some interesting information i found yesterday.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2...Os_in_2009.php

Originally Posted by Neeto

OBJECTIVE (not opinion based) feedback:

- one really good thing about i13 PvP is the lack of dependence on any one inspiration.

- second, is that teaming in PvP is to be the most effective if all players multi-task and use both their Primary and secondary. This takes many players to a different level of play were its not as easy as being just the "buffer", "healer" or "taunt bot" anymore.

- many ATs (excluding Doms and blasters) have been placed appropriately in their respective roles and even when fighting each combination of ATs there is a chance to win or lose depending on skill and style. This is also made possible because of the inheret AT PvP resistances, resistable AS values, and the buff to taunt.

- Slightly less dramatic differentiation between PvE builds and PvP specific builds in a PvP environment.

- Elusivity really helped many sets that were slightly underperforming before, (but at the same time, some elusivity values are uncalled for such as blaster and dom PFF values which essentially made these damage/damgecontroll ATs capable of being more resilient than a tank or brute.)

- PvP rewards medium inspirations and enough influence to buy more inspirations.

- Fly is more viable.

- TP foes is slightly less useful, and makes it harder for people to grief.

- More viable ATs for high end arena matches.


- Multi-Builds

Subjective (less important personal opinions) feedback:

- I like how many of my ATs feel more comic book like than before as i (or i must) have taken more powers that not only make me more effective in PvP but make me fit the comic book theme.

(This opinion stuff is hard soo i'll stop here.)

Originally Posted by castle

issue 13 pvp powers changes
by floyd “castle” grubb

hello again everyone. Last time, i told you about the pve powers changes we have planned for issue 13. This time, we're going to talk about pvp.

Player vs. Player combat (pvp) is a fun topic. Currently, we have a small portion of our players actively engage in pvp on a regular basis. We think this is in part due to problems in how pvp is implemented in our game. We want to take some steps to help make player vs. Player encounters more attractive to a larger group of players, while at the same time opening up more "character build" options for the existing dedicated pvp players. This is a challenging issue to tackle, given the scope of the proposed changes, but we feel the time is right to address these issues.

Our first step was to look at what archetypes (at) were actually doing in pvp. What we found was there are two distinct different pvp categories: Zone pvp and arena pvp. This isn’t very surprising, since we originally wanted there to be differences between the two. However, the actual differences were different from what we'd initially planned. Zone pvp was less hyper specialized and formulized than arena pvp. Zone pvp is more open to new pvpers, but more likely to see the new pvper 'griefed' and driven out of the playzone (often, never to return.) arena pvp by contrast, is much more civil but has a huge barrier to entry -- if your character isn't up to par, you are not likely to contribute much.

We wanted to spend time working on revamps for the existing pvp zones; but due to the massive amount of work involved we’ll need to address this in a future release. That meant that we had to focus almost entirely on base raids and arena pvp. We did a lot of work on bases, raiding and the cathedral, but we have to save that for later -- those are all works in progress for a future update. Arena pvp, though, was a self contained area which could be isolated and worked with. It also provides an excellent testbed for base raids, since the two are at least in the most basic terms similar. That's where we focused our attention.

We began by looking at the disparities that existed, and discussed how to address them. Ultimately, we decided that in order to allow better competition between the at's and powersets, we needed to take some drastic measures. We decided that a different rule set needed to apply in pvp than in pve. By changing the basic rules, we hope to encourage a greater variety of character builds in arena pvp, and ultimately in base raids and zone pvp.

At the core, many of the power effects are the same: Heals still heal, attacks still deal damage, and holds still hold. However, the new system makes a number of adjustments that should be friendlier to a wider range of at's and skill levels. The goal is for players to be able to bring any at and powerset combination into pvp and to be competitive and have fun! Furthermore, with the issue 13’s multiple builds feature, players can design a pvp specific build and not have it affect their normal character.

There are still a number of balance factors which we are working through; the prevalence of phase shift type defenses, "caging" and "spiking" to name a few. These are things we are working on in the beta process to find the correct balance.

So, without further ado, here is the list of the current changes and how they were implemented. Please keep in mind that there is still more testing and tuning to be done.

Diminishing returns
nearly all attributes characters have are now subject to diminishing returns. The specific numbers vary from attribute to attribute, and from class to class (it's easier to buff resistance and defense on a tanker, than on a blaster.)
* in general, a single buff will have near full effect, while additional buffs begin to offer less and less benefit. Example: Under the old system, aim + build up might provide a combined 67% to hit buff, while under this system it provides a combined 49% to hit buff.
* the calculation is based on the sum of all buffs, so the order the buffs are applied in does not matter.
* it is important to note that the real numbers tool will not always report the results of diminishing returns accurately, at least initially. This is specifically true of damage buffs, which always display the pre-diminished value.

Melee attacks
* changed melee range to 7'. Since this is essentially a buff, this effect will be present in pve as well.

Travel powers
* pve travel suppression continues to work as it has since it was introduced. Pvp travel suppression will be handled differently, however (see below.)
* all teleportation and summonable teleportals are disabled while pvp travel suppression is active.
The duration of movement suppression in pvp is now variable based on the most recent suppression event applicable to the character. In case of multiple events applicable on the same server tick, only the longest value is applied.
Suppression events are:
Activating a foe targetedrange (range > 7') damaging power: 3s * sum of damage scales.
Example1: Power bolt has a damage scale of 1.0 (0.1 + 0.9) resulting in a suppression duration of 3 seconds.
O example2: Power burst has a damage scale of 2.12 resulting in a suppression duration of 6.39 seconds.
* activating a foe targeted melee (range >0' && range => 7') damaging power: 2s* sum of damage scales.
O example1: Swipe has a damage scale of 0.76 resulting in a suppression time of 1.52 seconds.
O example2: Eviscerate has a damage scale of 1.99 resulting in a suppression time of 3.98 seconds.
* activating a foe targeted range debuff or control power: 3.5s
* activating a foe targeted melee debuff or control power: 2.5s
* placing a location based entity: 4s
* activating a self or friend targeted heal power: 4s
* activating a friend targeted buff power: 4s
* being the target of an attack: 2s

control powers
control power changes are fairly extensive. The goal here was to make control effects less binary in nature. The shorter durations of status effects, combined with the change from status protection to status resistance means that these powers will now how impact on a pvp situation more frequently, but are no longer quite as severe a deciding factor.
* for controllers: Change duration base to 4 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attributes. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations.
* for dominators: Change normal control duration base to 4 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attributes. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations. Change domination control duration base to 4 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attribs. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations. Change magnitude bonus from +3 to +1.
* for all others: Change control duration base to 2 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attributes. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations.
* for tankers: Change taunt to a fixed 6 second duration.
* for scrappers and brutes: Change taunt to a fixed 4 second duration.
* for the manipulation pool: Change taunt to a fixed 4 second duration.
* for stalkers: Change placate to a fixed 10 second duration.
* for veats: Change placate to a fixed 4 second duration.

Buff and heal powers
* a heal event now imposes a 25% resistance to further heals on the character, regardless of source. This resistance to heals will last for 15 seconds, and stacks with itself. This means that if you are healed 4 times, no further healing will affect you until the resistance duration ends.
* status protection attributes for all statuses except knockback and knock up changed to status resist. For example, a tanker running unyielding at level 50 has 12.975 points of protection in pve, while in pvp he has 129.75% hold resistance. That will convert an 8 second hold into a 3.48 second hold.

Damage powers
* powers now calculate damage based on their activation time, instead of their recharge.
* lower activation time powers get a slight bonus to damage, due to chaining low damage powers being difficult in pvp.
* longer recharge time powers also get a slight damage bonus, so higher level powers with long recharge times deal extra damage.
* damage has been adjusted for all at's, reducing the damage gap between each at.

Resistance powers
* each at now recieves a bonus resist buff while in pvp, in order to set each at closer in overall survivability. This resist primarily reduces up the gap in hitpoints between lower hitpoint at's and higher hitpoint at's
* epic armors and tough (pool power) now provide resistance to all damage types while in pvp.
* any armor set lacking a type of resist or defense will now provide it while in pvp zones.

Taunt powers (note: These changes are effective in pve as well! They are essentially accross the board buffs which should give greater crowd control ability to those who possess these power.)
* add 75% range debuff to tanker taunt (full aoe)
* add 75% range debuff to scrapper confront (and equivalents.) these remain single target.
* add 75% range debuff to brute taunt/confront powers. The range debuff should have radius outer set to 0 so it only affects the main target.

Classes tables
* increased max resist value for all status effect attribs. This means status resistance effects will have more meaning. This also affects pve.
* increaserange str min value to 25%. This means no player or critter powers range can be decreased to more than 25% of its original range. So, an 80' attack can never be debuffed below 25'. This also effects pve.

So, there you have it. A whole slew of changes for you to chew over, plan around...and test on the training room! We still have a lot of testing and tuning to do. While our initial playtests are showing these changes to be fun, we’ll ultimately look to broader playtests to validate the changes.

Here's hoping you all enjoy it!
Floyd 'castle' grubb

Originally Posted by castle

issue 13 pvp powers changes
by floyd “castle” grubb

hello again everyone. Last time, i told you about the pve powers changes we have planned for issue 13. This time, we're going to talk about pvp.

Player vs. Player combat (pvp) is a fun topic. Currently, we have a small portion of our players actively engage in pvp on a regular basis. We think this is in part due to problems in how pvp is implemented in our game. We want to take some steps to help make player vs. Player encounters more attractive to a larger group of players, while at the same time opening up more "character build" options for the existing dedicated pvp players. This is a challenging issue to tackle, given the scope of the proposed changes, but we feel the time is right to address these issues.

Our first step was to look at what archetypes (at) were actually doing in pvp. What we found was there are two distinct different pvp categories: Zone pvp and arena pvp. This isn’t very surprising, since we originally wanted there to be differences between the two. However, the actual differences were different from what we'd initially planned. Zone pvp was less hyper specialized and formulized than arena pvp. Zone pvp is more open to new pvpers, but more likely to see the new pvper 'griefed' and driven out of the playzone (often, never to return.) arena pvp by contrast, is much more civil but has a huge barrier to entry -- if your character isn't up to par, you are not likely to contribute much.

We wanted to spend time working on revamps for the existing pvp zones; but due to the massive amount of work involved we’ll need to address this in a future release. That meant that we had to focus almost entirely on base raids and arena pvp. We did a lot of work on bases, raiding and the cathedral, but we have to save that for later -- those are all works in progress for a future update. Arena pvp, though, was a self contained area which could be isolated and worked with. It also provides an excellent testbed for base raids, since the two are at least in the most basic terms similar. That's where we focused our attention.

We began by looking at the disparities that existed, and discussed how to address them. Ultimately, we decided that in order to allow better competition between the at's and powersets, we needed to take some drastic measures. We decided that a different rule set needed to apply in pvp than in pve. By changing the basic rules, we hope to encourage a greater variety of character builds in arena pvp, and ultimately in base raids and zone pvp.

At the core, many of the power effects are the same: Heals still heal, attacks still deal damage, and holds still hold. However, the new system makes a number of adjustments that should be friendlier to a wider range of at's and skill levels. The goal is for players to be able to bring any at and powerset combination into pvp and to be competitive and have fun! Furthermore, with the issue 13’s multiple builds feature, players can design a pvp specific build and not have it affect their normal character.

There are still a number of balance factors which we are working through; the prevalence of phase shift type defenses, "caging" and "spiking" to name a few. These are things we are working on in the beta process to find the correct balance.

So, without further ado, here is the list of the current changes and how they were implemented. Please keep in mind that there is still more testing and tuning to be done.

Diminishing returns
nearly all attributes characters have are now subject to diminishing returns. The specific numbers vary from attribute to attribute, and from class to class (it's easier to buff resistance and defense on a tanker, than on a blaster.)
* in general, a single buff will have near full effect, while additional buffs begin to offer less and less benefit. Example: Under the old system, aim + build up might provide a combined 67% to hit buff, while under this system it provides a combined 49% to hit buff.
* the calculation is based on the sum of all buffs, so the order the buffs are applied in does not matter.
* it is important to note that the real numbers tool will not always report the results of diminishing returns accurately, at least initially. This is specifically true of damage buffs, which always display the pre-diminished value.

Melee attacks
* changed melee range to 7'. Since this is essentially a buff, this effect will be present in pve as well.

Travel powers
* pve travel suppression continues to work as it has since it was introduced. Pvp travel suppression will be handled differently, however (see below.)
* all teleportation and summonable teleportals are disabled while pvp travel suppression is active.
The duration of movement suppression in pvp is now variable based on the most recent suppression event applicable to the character. In case of multiple events applicable on the same server tick, only the longest value is applied.
Suppression events are:
Activating a foe targetedrange (range > 7') damaging power: 3s * sum of damage scales.
Example1: Power bolt has a damage scale of 1.0 (0.1 + 0.9) resulting in a suppression duration of 3 seconds.
O example2: Power burst has a damage scale of 2.12 resulting in a suppression duration of 6.39 seconds.
* activating a foe targeted melee (range >0' && range => 7') damaging power: 2s* sum of damage scales.
O example1: Swipe has a damage scale of 0.76 resulting in a suppression time of 1.52 seconds.
O example2: Eviscerate has a damage scale of 1.99 resulting in a suppression time of 3.98 seconds.
* activating a foe targeted range debuff or control power: 3.5s
* activating a foe targeted melee debuff or control power: 2.5s
* placing a location based entity: 4s
* activating a self or friend targeted heal power: 4s
* activating a friend targeted buff power: 4s
* being the target of an attack: 2s

control powers
control power changes are fairly extensive. The goal here was to make control effects less binary in nature. The shorter durations of status effects, combined with the change from status protection to status resistance means that these powers will now how impact on a pvp situation more frequently, but are no longer quite as severe a deciding factor.
* for controllers: Change duration base to 4 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attributes. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations.
* for dominators: Change normal control duration base to 4 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attributes. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations. Change domination control duration base to 4 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attribs. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations. Change magnitude bonus from +3 to +1.
* for all others: Change control duration base to 2 seconds for stun, sleep, hold, immobilize, terrorize, confuse, untouchable, intangible attributes. Duration of status effects (hold, sleep, etc.) no longer scale by level; instead they have fixed base durations.
* for tankers: Change taunt to a fixed 6 second duration.
* for scrappers and brutes: Change taunt to a fixed 4 second duration.
* for the manipulation pool: Change taunt to a fixed 4 second duration.
* for stalkers: Change placate to a fixed 10 second duration.
* for veats: Change placate to a fixed 4 second duration.

Buff and heal powers
* a heal event now imposes a 25% resistance to further heals on the character, regardless of source. This resistance to heals will last for 15 seconds, and stacks with itself. This means that if you are healed 4 times, no further healing will affect you until the resistance duration ends.
* status protection attributes for all statuses except knockback and knock up changed to status resist. For example, a tanker running unyielding at level 50 has 12.975 points of protection in pve, while in pvp he has 129.75% hold resistance. That will convert an 8 second hold into a 3.48 second hold.

Damage powers
* powers now calculate damage based on their activation time, instead of their recharge.
* lower activation time powers get a slight bonus to damage, due to chaining low damage powers being difficult in pvp.
* longer recharge time powers also get a slight damage bonus, so higher level powers with long recharge times deal extra damage.
* damage has been adjusted for all at's, reducing the damage gap between each at.

Resistance powers
* each at now recieves a bonus resist buff while in pvp, in order to set each at closer in overall survivability. This resist primarily reduces up the gap in hitpoints between lower hitpoint at's and higher hitpoint at's
* epic armors and tough (pool power) now provide resistance to all damage types while in pvp.
* any armor set lacking a type of resist or defense will now provide it while in pvp zones.

Taunt powers (note: These changes are effective in pve as well! They are essentially accross the board buffs which should give greater crowd control ability to those who possess these power.)
* add 75% range debuff to tanker taunt (full aoe)
* add 75% range debuff to scrapper confront (and equivalents.) these remain single target.
* add 75% range debuff to brute taunt/confront powers. The range debuff should have radius outer set to 0 so it only affects the main target.

Classes tables
* increased max resist value for all status effect attribs. This means status resistance effects will have more meaning. This also affects pve.
* increaserange str min value to 25%. This means no player or critter powers range can be decreased to more than 25% of its original range. So, an 80' attack can never be debuffed below 25'. This also effects pve.

So, there you have it. A whole slew of changes for you to chew over, plan around...and test on the training room! We still have a lot of testing and tuning to do. While our initial playtests are showing these changes to be fun, we’ll ultimately look to broader playtests to validate the changes.

Here's hoping you all enjoy it!
Floyd 'castle' grubb