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Kin, Pain or brute taunt bot-thing-wants-to-be-better-then-cath
Tell me and I will run WB for a bit so I kan haz nuklear bombs for ruzzians(AKA TAMAKI SHRAK!) -
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Quote:ThisI lol'd at how true that is... I can name a person of each type on Virtue.
There is something to be said for teamwork, and using Vent, TS or whatever sure makes a HUGE difference.
I have plenty of friends who I play with on vent, and we are all zone scrubs. It is amazing how fast zones turn. To the point where I specifically get on the OTHER side, becuase camping isnt fun -
Funniest part being, marketeers actually destroy more inf , between buying, crafting and listing, then these supposed "Casual Players" :9
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Sending me messages in game means I prolly wont get them, If I can pain you guys to send me updates / w/e on the forums, it would be appreciated.
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Lolperil, maeks me laff sometimes.
Peril: STFU AND PLAY
Rei: I want mfing vodka and uranium
Haunt: BARRIER MARRY ME!
Bout all I got from the thread, I want my monies and time bak. -
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Quote:Actually these two paras answer themselves. The reason IOs were so low when the market started out, was indeed, that before the IOs, there WAS no reason to get infamy/influence, therefore NO ONE was out farming etc.They are 100% right. It's simply the truth. Rant on about economic mechanics all you want, and use it as an excuse to justify what you do. The simple truth is - if so many people didn't purposely flip with the intent to drive up prices for their own profit - the prices would be COMPLETELY different in our little market. And yes that means far far lower. Period.
Before you rant on about supply and demand think of this - when the market first came out - and there was zero supply of anything - you would assume that would be the peak of pricing no ? But it wasnt. Those prices were but a fraction of what we see today for comparable items (yes some new things exist but the top tier items were equally rare at that point in time). Marketeers have steadily driven up pricing on anything they could flip.
When IOs came out, people ran into a problem, they needed more inf and wanted drops, what do they do? Defeat NPCs. Lets say, a 50 does 1 paper mish, gets maybe 100k. What happens when all of freedom, maybe 1k people, go out and get 100k? Thats 1 bil created, that goes straight into the market.
Eventually, eitherway, it is INEVITABLE that prices would rise, maybe not in the same manner as they have, but they would have, either way. It is a problem, this GAME does NOT have enough inf sinks, which would combat the rising prices.
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Quote:Stupid people, are quite indeed, stupid.They are 100% right. It's simply the truth. Rant on about economic mechanics all you want, and use it as an excuse to justify what you do. The simple truth is - if so many people didn't purposely flip with the intent to drive up prices for their own profit - the prices would be COMPLETELY different in our little market. And yes that means far far lower. Period.
Before you rant on about supply and demand think of this - when the market first came out - and there was zero supply of anything - you would assume that would be the peak of pricing no ? But it wasnt. Those prices were but a fraction of what we see today for comparable items (yes some new things exist but the top tier items were equally rare at that point in time). Marketeers have steadily driven up pricing on anything they could flip.
People want and need to buy these things in our little closed market. The flippers are simply the ones setting the price. They prey on the want and need and exploit it for their profit.
Without marketeers I guarantee you pricing would never have ever gotten near this point.
Its just the truth. So many of you come here and brag about how you drove up the price on item "x" all the time. Revel in the mad profits you make by exploiting the system. You blatantly admit to it pretty much daily.
Those you call lazy arent actually lazy. They are just observant. And calling you out seems to make marketeers freak and go into massive self defense mode. Trying to defend what they do and say "its not us really...". When in fact it is, and has been all along.
LOL ... seriously WTF ?!
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Quote:I am both, o.oI'm not here to start another discussion on the idea presented in that thread. I've left my comments there. However, what struck me in that thread is how many misconceptions still remain about people who play the market. I guess since the PvPers were essentially hamstrung (practically driven out of this game) in issue 13, marketeers have become the new bogeymen.
Quote:We're the ones who are obviously manipulating purples prices to keep them out of the hands of the mythical "casual player". We're the ones who are responsible for the spikes in common salvage prices, and why the "casual player" is FORCED to pay 1 million for that circuit board.
Quote:Worst yet, we're in cohoots with farmers, AE exploiters and RMT companies.
Quote:Of course what's never mentioned is the fact that almost all of us have given away our methods on how to become rich; that many of us have given away millions (billions) to other players just because we can; that the methods we use are based on observation, knowledge and sometimes a bit of luck - there is no voodoo or trickery and it can be replicated by just about anyone; that a large majority of the player base benefits in using the market, both in buying what they want and selling what they don't need - marketeers are not a small minority in this game, they may represent a large majority.
But of course, it's easy to lash out at the bogeyman when you don't understand or are too lazy to care. And unfortunately for us there are enough lazy or ignorant people to lend weight to their voices. Instead of making careful adjustments to a system, which is in large part working, they demand large scale, radical changes. RMTers have polluted the market and anyone with large stockpiles of influence/infamy is immediately suspect.
While part of me hopes that the developers will listen to reasoned voices and to people who understand the system, I can simply point to the travesty that is the current PvP implementation on what happens when mob mentality rather than knowledgable players weigh in how to change a system.
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If we do it on this coming weekend, leik on the 20th mayb, barring anything coming up RL leik; I will bring something. Pain, or a kin, possibly a taunt bot-wanna be brute.
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Quote:Most of what I sayd was tru. The DOA nazi bznz is mostly becuase if I sign into their vent as, well, epsilon, i get immediately banned. Ozi hates me for some reason.Shorty! Welcome back!
Since last year, eh?
More inventions to play around with, they were worth a lot before, now some are worth the influence cap thanks to some dev changes.
Some of what Eps said, although don't listen to him much since he's mostly a freedom guy now.
I'm not sure what to say, all I know is I still have a lot of fun in the game :-)
OH I SAW U ON THE NAZI-VENT. But u didnt say hai :*( -
Hurro Az
*Stabs repeatedly*