Nightchill_EU

I do almost agree. Almost.

Troller's control does indeed mess with Brute's fury generation but it brings 3 things that are quite important:
-1 Every defense sets have weaknesses, it will be some villain groups or specific AV who will mash down your brute. Having CC options one some specific mobs can be very life saving.
-2 At some point you WILL fight groups larger than the aggro limit. Crown Control will help troller himself and eventually Scrapper to survive overnumber.
-3 A lot of Kin's power have to be casted at melee range to get benefit. The kin himself "could" skip FS (but than his damage abilities are very hurt) but Transfusion and Transferance are vital. Having strong Controls allows to sit more safely at melee range (some AoEs can be terrible for squishy, even minion's AoE, Nemesis anyone?) and play your Kinetics propely.

Now Corr and Def''s nuke are great. Mosly for kins with natural more recharge and endo boost on demand. But in my experience what is stated earlier is generally more important.
On the pure damage table Controlers completely over damages Defenders with Concealment (0.65 vs 0.55... x2). Corruptors does have both more damage scale (0.75) and a highter damage cap (400 vs 300%) but in my experience the fact that play Kin takes so much action/time really make the difference lower.


As for others,
I do think a low defensive Brute will have hard time. Transfusion is great but it absolutely doesnt make the trick on a /FA brute fighting +4 Longbows for exemple.

As for scrapper it kina depend on what the brute is. Lets say if the brute is Elec than a high single target damage scrapper like Katana would be better, is the brute is DM than maybe Elec or Fire would cover the AoE.

Damage on this trio will most likely be very high with multible res debuff but:
- I might be more effective with Corruptors, damage scale (O.65 vs 0.75) may do seem much but damage cap (+400 vs +300%) is really something when you have FS.
- I'm a fraid without any very strong dmg resist buff some vilain groups/AV may mash you down pretty easy with, for exemple, Defense Debuffs. You also may experience issues at low level to eat some alphas.

Sound better on the damage table, but you will get most likely trashed against +4x8 if something goes wrong (ambush spawn away from anchor?).

There is no way this trio is better than, lets say, cold-cold-KIN.
Also you will very most likely have hard time against heavy defense debuffers (AV might be fine because of stacking damage/recharge debuffs but huge +4 packs will hurt bad).

No fulcrum shift :/

This combo is pretty much strong against anything but like you do lose a LOT of damage not having a Kin and you will have many problems on all situations when you lose anchor or have non-optimal mob packing.

Why BS? Tho, you will have HUGE endo issue at low level, you will die on everything that is extreme (+4x8, defense debuff) untill high end gearing.

Why Ice/fire? Why fire/en? Why Fire/FF?
No kin is sad. No heal (like 0 heal) is sad on extreme situations.

Survivability will be on the roof. But no Kin will hurt bad. At low level endo will be a bad problem.
Tho, why /dark?, why /fire? and why Ice/EM?

Enlight on */* please
Tho, Kin/Brute/Scrap will definately be badass but you have to go with a very defensive brute set or you will have problem to handle very large/high spawns. I wouldnt pick a def or corr tho, trollers have more to bring on the table imo.

I play most of the time with a Kin troller and a WP tanker.


I dont need much dmg boost actually, AAO and Fulcrum Caps me most of the time.
Tho on my build I need the defence from Gausian x6.


I have no idea what BOTZ is

Is what I said.
To clear any misunderstanding: Yes res cap matters and Brute is very stronger in specific situations (ie buff, specific heavy res sets). Brutes are tanks (the tank role, not tankers, god how complicated is this?) they do this job pretty good.
Yes I misused the word "Defense" two times. I meant something like "Resilience".

Exactly, sorry.



Fury wasnt nerfed it was "changed". Its a nerf considering it hardly goes past 70% now, it was buffed also because it now decays very slower (in action) and therefore goes up faster. The fury you build out of tanking single AVs and GMs was also buffed, its now about steady 65% or so.

Brute nerf comes also from the lowered damage cap, it was +700%, its now +575%, it doesnt sound much but its quite noticable if you play with a Kin.

Tho, just like you said, ATs are pretty much where they should be atm.
Tankers are for those who just want to hold aggro and be resilient.
Brutes are for those who want to be able to tank and deal great damage.
Scrappers are for those who want to deal melee damage.

(Stalker are another and sad story)

Why?
1- It has no purples and quite a minimum of HamiOs.
2- It has both Shaodw Punch and Smite so I will actually be able to pull a decent amount of damage before I'm fully enhenced with whooping recharge and stuff.
3- It sadly doesnt have Fireball, maybe I can live with it. Tho it does have a travel power and I dont relay on a stupid jet pack.
4- Siphon life has some heal
5- I dont 6 slot stamina and true gift enhencing recharge, end cost etc.. what makes me feel bad.
6- I have a meeting **** I m late, see ye

What I dont get is how the power works exactly, the tooltip says its 10 sec cooldown and 0.75 sec duration.

Well I have speed boost perma and Transferance on demand but yeah with one Fulcrum hit I hit the damage cap pretty often.

Gaidin's build:
is quite interesting. Actually I dont know if melt armore is such a loss compared to fire blast. I mean, ignoring the -Def it is still a -10% res that refresh faster (actually twice faster, does it stacks?) than it last. Thats a straight 10% dmg boost that technically "overcap" (the word doesnt really fits here) damage bonus.

Now maybe I could also skip Tactics and slot up Dark Consump with Oblit and save a Crush impact. Or maybe it just ***** everything up. Tho I can very much not having Dark Consum, I like almost never use it and I run already all the Leadership toggles.

I also see that you use 5x LotG 7.5 AND Basilik's Gaze 4 pieces.. does it stacks? I thought it was only 5 times that same effect.



Btw, I feel kina bad having to slot up Stamina with 6. Is it like THAT worth it to go cap AoE def?
And can anyone explain me how Grand Cover works? I mean, it doesnt looks like a toggle, duration states 0.75s...

Does it actually works? My brother tryed it and said it never procs, like -never-.

I dont get it :x

I'v been toying a lot around Santo's build and mine to try to compromise, without great success I must admit
So much to do for work lately...

Fireball was in my build indeed, I dont know if its "something that I want" but I'm afraid the complete lack of AoE might be an issue on the long run (yes my partnerts can decently melt down minions but this is still CoH, AoE means a lot). In the team we had before I was playing an Elec/Fire Brute so I'm kina going the complete opposite way

As for travel powers I do have a Kin most of the time and even without ninja running I could live with the 10k inf jet packs (heck I'm superspeeder anyways, I use the jetpack a lot). Of course its always an ease to have travel power.

For the build itselft, I was wondering if sacrifying Fireball for basicly more +def carriers was worth it compared to just pick Shadowmelt and drop its cooldown to about 30 sec.


(Edit: as for resources I have about 17 characters who can decently run Super Merits missions, so thats about 17 LotG every four days... tho, I dont have infinite time and I hardly do it with 3 toons. So yeah I can affort 30ish Million enhencements but real purps goes for about ten times this price).


I came up with that, I'm not quite sure, also note that I'm not puting any Hami in my builds because I have no clue how they work.