New Dawn

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u clearly have no idea about pvp

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remember this insinuation?

It was i who came down to your level.

and to save you the bother:P insinuation means:

1. an indirect or covert suggestion or hint, esp. of a derogatory nature.

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lol yea that refers to ur knowledge of a particular area, intelligence and knowledge are completely different...and use a small p after : so that the smilie works

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oh you just figured out that :P means ..

Im no longer gonna continue with this as its making my post count accumulate just like fire guardians and id really hate for that

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There was no PVP when i bought the game.
I havent taken to PVP like some people.
I dont get off on winning in PVP duels as some sets are meant to be most advantaged versus another. So only team PVP would appeal to me and I like game content too much to bother getting into team pvp unless its a base raid.
I wouldnt get any gratification from pvp enough to mess a pve toons build for pvp.

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Then why TALK about PvP then?!

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I talk about the game mechanics etc. When someone says "it cant be done" yet it can, i will say so. When someone gives an opinion that someone else may take as gospel, forums being public and all, that i find misleading, false, possibly untrue I will voice my opinion which is there for debate. If i am wrong, id admit it, if i need to apologise i do but statements like "firetanks cant tank till mid twenties". Then i, in knowing thats false will say something like "that should be edited to MY firetank couldnt tank till mid twenties". My own firetank was herding at lvl 2 thankyou very much and at later levels if I had problems then teamwork had overcome them.

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u clearly have no idea about pvp

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remember this insinuation?

It was i who came down to your level.

and to save you the bother:P insinuation means:

1. an indirect or covert suggestion or hint, esp. of a derogatory nature.

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eerrr have u actually PvP'd and won a match? with my fire/em i have a chance of winning...u want me to fight with my invul/ice and have a chance of winning against a scrapper?! do u actually no anything about /ice? i cudnt kill a lvl 1.

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My posts arent about a tanker being able to beat a scrapper they are about a scrapper being able to beat a tanker.

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and u can stay alive with ur emp against one scrapper?!

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indefinately within a 20 min timespan if allowed travel powers.

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u clearly have no idea about pvp and its no surprise u have withdrawn the challenge...

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Referring back to what my posts have simply been about:

A scrapper can defeat a tanker.

Your clearly distorting things. Im not mad at you. I just pity the less intelligent:P as there has been no withdrawal about anything i have previously stated.

There was no PVP when i bought the game.
I havent taken to PVP like some people.
I dont get off on winning in PVP duels as some sets are meant to be most advantaged versus another. So only team PVP would appeal to me and I like game content too much to bother getting into team pvp unless its a base raid.
I wouldnt get any gratification from pvp enough to mess a pve toons build for pvp.

There is a good chance that somewhere some hardcore roleplayers could kick the top pvp teams ****** if they bothered with pvp and thats without teamspeak.

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i dont think no scrapper wud beat my tank, i no that a scrapper cant beat my tank, why? because im not gonna stand toe to toe with a scrapper am i. if i did id die and lose hard. the first rule of pvp is knowing when to fight and when to run.

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tactically retreating cos ya know ya will make a comeback for a win or retreating cos you got no chance?

I think its the no chance option and if you did go toe to toe, beyond the 10 minute mark will come defeat and when i said a spines/regen scrapper can beat an invuln tank i was speaking about toe to toe anyway. I have yet to see him ingame but now when i do, i dont feel there is an actual point to prove by your own obmission. My empath could keep running from most scrappers.

No your right, ice patch... who'd want that?:P but from a damage dealers perspective i meant.

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THIS IS A VERY GOOD BUILD


[/ QUOTE ]6 slotted barrage, 3 damres in unstoppable, underslotted bonesmasher and invinc? Yeah, right...

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do a build Max, i bet ya can knock one up in 5 mins flat if that.

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sure name the time and place and i think i no my recharges will be slower. i'd even fight with my fire/energy tank. doesnt make any difference to me

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its about beating a tank, and i think the invuln/ice is a beatable build by a scrapper.

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sure invul/ice it is, just post the time and place up here when u no, any evening after 6 or weekend

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when the spines/regen i know comes on ill ask him so its a "when i see him" as for me i know i wont do it with my claws/sr. i'm not known for fotms.

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Can I take Provoke instead of Taunt in order to take Intimidate?

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If it was as effective as the normal tanker taunt and you had powerpools to spare then id imagine alot more tanks taking it, but it isnt, it can miss and im not sure if the duration is as good neither. Its down to you how much you care for your role as a taunt controller among other things.

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And another thing: lets say I take Taunt at lvl 10. I wont have Glacial Armor by then, and my shields wont help much since I wont have access to SOs. It feels like I'll be farming debt until level 20-22

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It maybe an idea to start of with a defender, see how other people play, how they need to be supported and how you need them to play in order for you to provide that support for a few levels. Tanks are support toons themselves and you have to help people so that they can easily help you right back. Plus at low levels if you are a take it all tank people could pass you insps like lucks for extra def seeing as they wont need them. Ive done an entire Atta with no defender or controller that way. As for whether you take taunt at any level well it depends on what your after, how you play, how people play with you, whether you'd have a harder time without it and whens the best time to fit it in your build. I take it at 10 fullstop so i dont have to leave one group in a debuffed zone to save a team mate 40ft away and for certain ambush situations and to even to cut my herding times and fight duration down.

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you cant pinpoint a person and say they arent as good in teams pvp because you are as a player only as good as the rest of the team. You either work effectively together with the powers you have or you dont, and knowing plights build i cant quite see how he can be as less effective in the right pvp team as anyother would be good blaster.

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except that team pvp needs a lot more than a good build...

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well duh, it should be about teamwork mainly, id bet on a great roleplaying pve team turning good in pvp if id knew one. What i said is this you are as effective as your fellow team mates allow you to be and thats through working to assist eachother against eachothers weaknesses. I dont PVP though, i dont even bother checking ppls builds and buying insps even if i do do it for a change.

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So a few months have passed since the last top gun thread so i thought it was time for a new one. So let's list the top 5 of each archetype

Blasters:

Gatling
Captain Freon
Bitter Ice
Chill
(Can't decide on the 5th)



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No Plight Trawler? im not sure if i can be bothered to read the rest of the list now...

Nope i am sure..

I cant be bothered.

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well thats a gr8 attitude to have, the list is by a person, the post is for ppl to put their list, no1 has played every1 and surprisingly as not many ppl are willing to pvp on test different ppl from different servers rarely fight each other

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well if it was union and team pvp only then it should say so.

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why i didnt chose plight as the 5th because he only shines in duels while there are other blasters like jumanjionic who's good in both and thrusty evo. i could go on.

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you cant pinpoint a person and say they arent as good in teams pvp because you are as a player only as good as the rest of the team. You either work effectively together with the powers you have or you dont, and knowing plights build i cant quite see how he can be as less effective in the right pvp team as anyother would be good blaster.

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Enjoy it while you can, I doubt it'll last

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From my point of view its either buff firetanks or nerf ice tanks.

Just compare a fire/fire to an ice/fire but id much sooner see the fire primary have a buff especially in blazing aura. Its meant to be the most offensive so make the damage and taunt component autohit. The firetanks weakness and imo its really weak in this area compared to other tanks is its vulnerability to secondary effects especially -tohit. If it doesnt keep aggro then the survivability of the team is at risk followed by the firetanks. No point coming back with RotP if the rest of the team have been wiped anyway is there?

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sure name the time and place and i think i no my recharges will be slower. i'd even fight with my fire/energy tank. doesnt make any difference to me

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its about beating a tank, and i think the invuln/ice is a beatable build by a scrapper.

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Try a good spines/regen versus a good invuln/anything and allow the match to go to maximum time limit (thats way beyond 10 minutes), then come back to me and say its impossible for a scrapper to beat a tank, i doubt anyone could and no i wouldnt know from experience its just maths:P.

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firstly who duels at more than 10minutes? secondly i take that challenge and i guarantee no matter the time limit i will not lose to a scrapper as my tank, it will be a 0-0 draw unless they are very bad

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x-treme is a invuln/ice/energy i believe which makes me pretty confident in what i am saying id just have to talk to the spines/regen that would most likely do it. What will hurt is your recharges btw. Although if you were to run away alot or have presence pool you should be okay i think.

A stonetank in granite would be impossible, icetanks lower dps and have hibernate and should be impossible, firetanks healing is of good recharge as well as often decent res to all and so would be hard to drop as well but an invuln is just not much but a heap of resistance and more prone to secondary effects.

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Now, I would like some suggestions. I'm experienced with Brutes, but their job is to keep fighting so they get better and better. And the Tanker, AFAIK, is about staying alive while the Scrapper deals the damage. Am I wrong?

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Yes. Its more than that. The self sufficient scrapper is the last person you have to worry about. Scrappers are not on my "i am tanking to help this person list". Does your brute require a tank? I think not and the scrapper and brute are actually the most alike. The tanker is there to make it groups safer for defenders to use their debuffs to maximum effect and minimum aggro, controllers to control with minimum chance of aggro and blasters to blast as many as possible in the shortest time as possible with minimum chance of getting aggro. If your looking for a brute equivalent on coh its the scrapper. The tank only has similar power choices.

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And what about Taunt? Is it really necessary? Sometimes in CoV a Brute plays the role of a Tanker, but all we do is to jump first into the group of mobs. Can I use the same strategy?

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Sometimes its okay to do so and sometimes it maybe less desireable. It shouldnt be about you when you tank, its about the team and running into a mob may mean you have effectively herded the team into a compromising position.

If you do make an ice/ they are fotm atm but are also imo least complicated to play and easier for inexperienced tankers or inexperienced players playing with tankers to play with. I have all 4, its not a pop at icetanks, im just a hot or cold type of person, my icetank has been the easiest one to play and has been the most effective tank from the crib. If i have to write an essay to say because someone doesnt agree i will later but for now i have to goto work.

Try a good spines/regen versus a good invuln/anything and allow the match to go to maximum time limit (thats way beyond 10 minutes), then come back to me and say its impossible for a scrapper to beat a tank, i doubt anyone could and no i wouldnt know from experience its just maths:P.

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Useful for tanking infernal

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Well the croatoa arcs have made permafrost a bit more viable aswell imo even if the other zones etc didnt.

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01) --> Frozen Fists==> Acc(1) Rechg(15) EndRdx(15) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) Dmg(27)

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bit meh for damage even though its ok dps but if i needed to up survivability first then i would. The acc, end and rechg make sense to me.

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22) --> Health==> Heal(22)

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u get aid self later so slotting it may seem a bit redundant

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26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> Rechg(26) DefBuf(37) DefBuf(39) DefBuf(40) EndMod(40) EndMod(40)

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once you have stamina switch the endmods to rechg

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28) --> Aid Other==> Heal(28)

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if ya gonna 1 slot it ya may as well get stimulant and use it on the defender before you act and then play to try to direct cone and aoe attacks with mezz secondary effects away from defender anyway.

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32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32) EndMod(43) Heal(46)

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try 4 slotting it and then decide whats in it i think.

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38) --> Stamina==> Acc(38) EndMod(39) EndMod(39)

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thats a long way to go to wait for stamina but not impossible. My question now is "why get swift and health so early and not start med pool sooner?". All your heals plus ice patch are ya main end drainers as well as attacks.

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41) --> Block of Ice==> Acc(41) Rechg(42) EndRdx(42) Hold(42) Hold(43) Hold(43)

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1 acc isnt alot imo but 6 slots allows you to work it out.

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47) --> Ice Storm==> Rechg(47) EndRdx(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(50) Slow(50)

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id 3 rechg and 3 dam it, its a beaut! i'd use build up just before i go to use it.

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49) --> Resuscitate==> Rechg(49)

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are you that bad?

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So a few months have passed since the last top gun thread so i thought it was time for a new one. So let's list the top 5 of each archetype

Blasters:

Gatling
Captain Freon
Bitter Ice
Chill
(Can't decide on the 5th)



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No Plight Trawler? im not sure if i can be bothered to read the rest of the list now...

Nope i am sure..

I cant be bothered.

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Also be said, Im not sure a scrapper can beat a tank.

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Well depends on build vs build given enough time and to the OP impale wont immob a tank.

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EDIT:

In fact anyone who treats a game as a dating site probably needs to get some help. Or reach the end of puberty ....

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i didnt realise this till a long way in game that for some people the treating of you as a female character because your toon is and chatting them up is part of the roleplay. However rather than be subjected to it on any new server i go on when asked if m/f i say i am a "player" as some guys i dont think actually have really matured.

I have one of every primary of control, ok it might be a dominater, most are too low level to even say "i know my controllers" so i wont. But I do see this as a could happen.

Play in one team wishing i had my mind controller with my earth controller and then play in another team wishing i had my earth controller playing my mind controller.

As far as team support is concerned how good you will be is gonna come down to how good the team will let you be.

As a dark defender i have logged and got my forcefield bubbler because the teams playstyle didnt change to suit the dark defender and no i dont speak french well enough to start enlightening. But its a sign of newbieness in my book. Whilst some people may rate a scrapper on how good they look whilst others plant around then im downrating the same scrapper for not changing his playstyle to assist the other sets to of prevented others from planting around them in the first place. Its a sad state when people have made toons and never actually get to effectively play them.

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* What's the point of getting Freezing Touch? You're a Tank. A melee range single target hold doesn't help you at all, especially the way you've slotted it right now.

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aww no one says why its poor but for me imagine this:

Hold
9 secs in start to use for example greater ice sword
Hold finishes recharging at 9.9 secs say,
Hold duration over at 10 secs
in a space of 1.5s seconds your goose is getting cooked because its not until 11.9 secs roughly the action time of greater ice sword would of finished its action time you can hold again.

Just meaning id rather have a hold thats longer than the recharge by the longest action time of anyother attack.

Id of 2 acc 2 hold and 2 rechg'd it out right myself.

If ya 6 slot it ya can easily find out what ya need anyway and just swap enhancements.

My ice/ice is on route to take ice epic eventually but if the OP wants energy pool for concept or something then the permable freezing touch hold isnt always a bad idea. As i have previously have said icetanks have good def but a powerchoice doesnt have to be "about self" a hold is always nice, useful for damage mitigation of something including AVs. Ive yet to see how a icetank copes with dark ring mistresses id have to check that out as they can be seemably autohit with their end drains but despite anything freezing touch does do more damage than ice sword, i mean what else is there left to get thats more beneficial without a build overhaul?

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this is my current build i am going to follow, atm i am lv 30 with this biuld and loving it. any comments on the build from 30-50 would be appreciated, thanks =)

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Name: oozy.
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(9)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Dmg(1) Acc(11) EndRdx(11) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(5) Heal(5) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(4)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(8)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10) Taunt(13) Taunt(13)
12) --> Icicles==> EndRdx(12) EndRdx(15) Acc(15) Dmg(17) Dmg(17) Dmg(19)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14) Jump(43) Jump(46)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18) Heal(19) Heal(21)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(23)
22) --> Glacial Armor==> EndRdx(22) DefBuf(23) DefBuf(25) DefBuf(25)
24) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg(24) EndRdx(43)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(31)
28) --> Hasten==> Rechg(28) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
30) --> Freezing Touch==> EndRdx(30) Acc(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(37) Acc(40) EndRdx(42)
32) --> Hibernate==> Heal(32) Heal(34) Heal(43) Rechg(48)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> EndRdx(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Frost==> EndRdx(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Acc(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(45) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) TH_Buf(46)
47) --> Permafrost==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48)
49) --> Build Up==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50) TH_Buf(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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CE id have atleast 1 taunt slot on it. Icepatch 2 rechg is about right atleast to perma it without haste and an end slot is worth it imo as well. The 2 slots required id take from jump.

Freezing touch is melee which is riskier compared to block of ice from ice epic but is workable but more so with superspeed. On a hovering sapper it could be: shoot in -> hold -> ice patch. The way you have slotted it means its good acc, perma, and usable if needed on low end but the perma is a little bit too tight for my liking....so just 6 slot it and find out best way.

Say if a sapper is in a room, you dont have to shoot in and hold him only to find another around a blind corner sapping you (yeah you have good def i know) but you can flyby taunt the sapper and just as the sapper is about to come out of the room get him then.

Hibernate 3 rechg and then heals and 1 heal is good enough if any.