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fix't.

He did, but he had pangs of Conscience then joined them.

Does that mean he's a "Mac Daddy"?

ATM I just need the BOTZs and LOTGs as pricey stuff. Any other stuff would just be meh, like Glad Armors or procs. LF 1 Glad Jav Proc blueside heh.

Whoa!

So...we would have TWO events! And the Test/Freedom ladder.

SOMUCHPVPZOMG.

Silit is pretty bang on here.

As much as I like helping new PvPers (and I do!) you can't make people play for another team. I've seen this happen too many times on the old Test ladder where there was an internal ego conflict and then the Blaster wouldn't lock or the Emp would skip whoever they had a tiff with and it would just screw the whole team over.

I mean, let's face it. It's not just experience, it's also that some are younger, some have faster reflexes, some people just have talent, to put it bluntly. I mean, I could practice another 3 years but I'd never have emped as well Moe in the old ladder. I gained some tips from a bunch of people and that helped but yeah, dUmb let me join them and I'm happy with that.

We've had this dilemma before. Heck on Chamopion (I know, lolChampion) we had War Scribe willing to teach new people the ropes and Elf Stalker (I know, lolElf Stalker) but people have expectations that they can roll 20 Nemesis guys and they can do that on PvP too. So when they get crushed by an experienced vet not a lot of them go "How can I get better?" Heck, some of us in a zone were like..."Well, take a build2 and get SS/SJ, an escape power and try to gain more hit points" only to be rebuffed by said person: "Well I wanted to try with my character as is, sorry." and then they never PvP again.

On top of that, some people just work better together. I know when I was with Integrity on the ladder Stryker and I got used to our styles and we worked well together. You can certainly get that type of familiarity with another team (I think I've gotten used to Sir and Psoma with dUmb) but I'm sure a lot of people will be "Aaaaaaaaaaah whatever" and just not show for the new team.

Bottom line:

Say we had a dispersal draft and Silit ended up with say, Team X. He doesn't want to be there so you can't force him to play or even play well.

Even if teams were to carry rookies, the rookies are gonna get farmed. They'll get better for sure, as Dirge said, if they stick with it. If the person likes the rush of logging in and fighting other people at (somewhat) high speeds they may stick with it.

Unfortunately, unless the team has a "If you show you play" policy, even the new players might not see much "icetime". This was actually the best part of the OLD ladder, where you had a guy like Healing Hank make Awesome Avengers. He had guys like Robobug and I hopped in and you had new people who he helped out and gave tips to. Sure AA got rolled a lot but everyone got some experience. Some sticked with it and others didn't.

We're not even getting into people attached to their character concepts and not wanting to get into a new build or PLing...

Wow, this has gotten pretty longwinded...

TLDR:

I agree with Silit, Max and Kat. People are gonna wanna play with friends, we need to have some sort of weaning in process and people are going to need the urge to compete in the first place.

/Psypunk

Meh we had SOME drama but it was mostly over line-ups:

Doyler and Bleak: Dudes, we totally need to run two-Stalker lineups.
Psoma: I dunno, more Psy Blasters good?
Slax: Sure, our officials are practices anyway

Match time: We're short, we go with the Blasters anyway.

>.<

Frost Elf didn't really add drama so much as entertainment and a different point of view. It's like when you've got your regular group of peeps doing stuff then the "Off the wall girl/guy" shows up and it's really fun at first but then it turns into some weird post-punk Noh play with cymbals and dadaist paper-mache structures.

Rei was fun to have around, she didn't really bring drama so much as...zaniness and oddballities.



(I kinda miss the Russian folk songs, they weren't Healing Hank storytime-right-before-bed-nice/fun but they were great.)

If this was an AE fix it was likely a long time coming, word of people getting 1-50 in an hour or an hour fifteen minutes, crazy stuff.

But it comes back to the gameplay I suppose. I got invited to a ton of PuGs that were completely oblivious to the recent AE insanity, while others were PLing new alts to try them out or for PvP or just for kicks of rolling something new.

Sadly, I only do missions these days for social purposes and TFs for accolades. AE, even on "NOT ZOMG HYPERREWARD MODE" is still largely more efficient than regular missions.

That said, I await the next silliness out of AE....

Mid-May now so probably early June at least...people have to wind down then get interested then rules and stuff, whee...

I think there's a Grav/Kin somewhere with that name...memory is foggy though. >.>

Yeah, some of them are getting fixed, allegedly, in Issue 18.

I draft you, Kiwi, Machina, Funk and doyler.

Kgo.

If we do a ladder we're going to need 4-5 teams that can consistently show up on one or two nights a week to fight it out. There would need to be a pre-season tilt to determine standings, then the challenges start from there.

I'd suggest 3 v3 or 4 v 4 at most, given Pinn is pretty small pop and you'd probably have trouble getting more than four or five teams...of course you'd need to figure if it's best of 1, best of 3, map picks, Arena settings, banned powers (if deemed necessary), AT limitations (if deemed necessary) and all that fun stuff.

And prizes.

1. 4-6 I'd say. If dUmb, u2bg, SMD, another team, maybe Kat's and a couple of other teams signed up we could have 6. If memory serves, our best days on Test had 10-11 teams but I think the vill ladder had 3-4 teams...which can lead to leapfrogging randomness, haha.

2.Eh, I think that what we have now is what we have. There may be a situation where someone new gets enthusiastic about making a team but then it peters out.

3. No, sorry. I'll certainly help out as much as I can.

4.At least 5, perhaps 6. It would be pointless if say...dUmb, SMD and u2bg were the ladder and the 2-3 spots kept leapfrogging each other heh.

Overall I think a ladder might draw more interest in that you could have your one day per week of challenges (Weren't these Thursday and Sunday in the day?) and so on. Since Ladders are self-sustaining, they'd never end so you would need to reward the top team at the start of each month, I guess. Forum titles are out but maybe gold titles or something to show you won that quartile.

I think mac tried to fraps a few of them, not sure though.
With the observer bot lameness might have been a challenge to keep up these days.