Nethergoat
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Quote:Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I just finished reading it and it's the same tired and mistaken POV that flippers are bad.
element 1: only focus on high end buying prices and ignore the vast majority of the items in the market left un-flipped
element 2: always assume all items will always be available for immediate cheap amount which is only true of ingame garbage drops
element 3: only focus on buying detriment as equated to inf and ignore buying benefit of time not spent waiting for a bid to fill
element 4: always ignore benefit of seller who is not flipping
element 5: use real life examples that relate in no way to a game while ignoring all long existing game examples like Monopoly
element 6: ignore all ingame causes of excessive inf generation that would raise prices of only useful items yet never impact ingame garbage drops
element 7: assume all opposing arguments are only made by flippers trying to protect their turf
element 8: ignore bidder's ability to leave a bid or listing up and beat the flippers or to put it another way ignore impatience of complainers effect on prices in the market
element 9: ignore all ingame avenues to beat flippers like merits and tickets
element 10 (optional): cut and paste quoting to "prove" point
Result: move to ignore file once they are no longer entertaining in their nonsense
Plus it's always entertaining when factual observations are prohibited & punished while the behavior that inspires them is totally ignored, to the detriment of the forum. -
Good advice bears repeating!
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Quote:alt-tab, look at time on desktop, alt-tab back.Originally Posted by Kagenushi
Is there an easy way to keep displaying the local time in game, besides using the /localtime command or Herostats (which wont stay on top of the game)?
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Quote:Great suggestion mechanically and thematically.Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
How about this:
XP you earn in the AE is not real xp, it's virtual XP, which functions similar to Patrol XP, i.e. you have to go out and earn actual "real" XP in order to benefit from your virtual "training session".
Signed!
I'm on board with no inf, but it needs to be replaced with some other reward mechanic. If MA doesn't deliver comparable rewards to 'real' gameplay it will be completely ignored by everyone but a handful of RPers and story junkies. "You don't get inf for MA" would discourage the participation of our friend the mythical 'casual gamer', who is generally as rewards-seeking as anyone else but just goes about it in a less efficient way. "You don't get inf, but you do get this other cool thing instead" would ameliorate the problem without discouraging participation.Quote:Another option would be to remove Influence rewards from the AE entirely. It would be perfectly reasonable since the AE missions are not real and thus shouldn't affect a character's fame or finances in any real way. Tickets more than make up for the loss of actual Inf rewards, and reducing the amount of Inf you get in the AE would reduce farming considerably, I believe, while still keeping the marketing promise of AE as an alternative way to level to 50. -
Quote:I'm not sure what relevance junk nobody wants or needs has to the current discussion.Originally Posted by Intrinsic
By all appearances, warehousing is not a needed service. And there is no value added by an unneeded warehousing service.
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Quote:nothing in this game is 'necessary'.Originally Posted by Intrinsic
That's warehousing, not T&D. Warehousing is a value-added prospect to the buyer only if it is a necessary service. Is warehousing necessary in CoH? That's an argument with no way to win.
does it save buyers time by ensuring a ready supply at market rates?
yes, it absolutely does.
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Quote:what would you say to an entire SG dedicated to setting the world's supply of inf on fire?Originally Posted by Obitus
When we're talking about play money, and particularly so little of it, it's hard to argue that any act is irrational.
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Quote:flippers add value by ensuring what you want is there when you want it- temporal value, if you will. If you *want* to tie up a slot and wait a while to get a 'deal', that option is there. If your slots and time are worth more to you than a negligible inf savings, the flipper is there to ensure you can get your widget NAO at market rates.Originally Posted by Intrinsic
Grocery stores (and other retailers) add value via transportation and distribution. That's an aspect of the real-world economy that is not present in CoH. BTW, the profit margin for retail grocery is very slim.
In a game environment where time is the only 'currency' with real value, that's an important service. -
My guide would be
1: Play the Game
2: Sell your Junk on the Market
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Quote:Amused, not offended.Originally Posted by Chuckles07
I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to.
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Quote:Oh wait, I get it now.....you're one of those unkempt people who stand on a crate in the park, lecturing strangers on the topic of your bizarre personal cosmology.Originally Posted by Chuckles07
But a flipper isn't a store, they're the guy wakes up earlier then you and buys up all the corn.
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Quote:no.Originally Posted by Chuckles07
Isn't that manipulating the market?
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Quote:Ditto. Xmas time is eating up all my discretionary income just now (well, I will be able to scrape up enough for some discount boosters, but that's about it...)Originally Posted by Ura Hero
That's skippy, but the timing is a bit off for me. With Christmas and an upcoming birthday my disposable income is nil at this time of year. Bummer I won't be able to take advantage of it.
If it went into the middle of January I would be able to subscribe all three accounts up.
If they rolled this out in January I'd be all over it. -
I'm eagerly waiting for the series with enough gumption to re-boot ITSELF in its first episode!
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Quote:So Disney laid an egg last time out and figures making a big deal out of this will generate some buzz for their current picture while simultaneously setting the stage for a "triumphant return" to the Princess Genre at some future date.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Disney believes the time has passed for Princess movies and has moved on.
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Quote:I know, I know...I just couldn't resist.Originally Posted by FourSpeed
@Goat:
Agreed - IO badges can be lucrative, but that's not really what we're
talking about here - in the sense that, a player who is active in the market
has already, far exceeded the cost concerns in this thread
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Quote:They're recirculating junk that would otherwise have disappeared, and they deal in volume. Not only are they personally increasing listings, they're inspiring others to list as well- the better the return people can get on their junk, the more motivated they are to sell it.Originally Posted by Chuckles07
Do you have proof that flippers are increasing the number of listings?
When I was messing around with Ancient Bones a few years back supply/bids went from, roughly, 0-100 listings and 0-20 bids to 2-3k listings and 500-1k bids. Once I stopped 'working' the niche it quickly returned to its former state.
People know they can get 100k or so for an Alchemical Silver.Quote:Why is selling for a more stable price of any value to the seller?
This encourages them to seek out and list Alchemical Silvers.
Meanwhile if someone checked Circuit Boards at the wrong time they'd figure it was junk salvage and start deleting them.
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Welcome to the club!
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Quote:Dang it!Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Sadly, the Lovecraftian pastiches are primarily the work of Mr. Muzski, who has incorporated some of Herge's old art into his cover mock-ups (Tintin in Tibet supplies the figure for Tintin at the Mountains of Madness, for instance).
I would've been all over that. -
Quote:Only if you really dig solitude.Originally Posted by galadiman
Your irony is noted.
However, when it is a game you're talking about, I think the irony is lost, and these become good words to live by. -
Seebs for Dictator!
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Quote:I've never noticed any difference.Originally Posted by seebs
Okay, newbie question... I basically stopped using SOs at all once I found out about IOs. So I have only a vague comprehension of them.
When people say that a level 25 IO (32%) "underperforms" SOs, what are they comparing with? Even-level SOs (level 25 at 25)? Three levels higher? Two levels lower?
As someone who vividly remembers the burning annoyance of getting WEAKER as I leveled thanks to gradually expiring enhancements (because back in the day inf was too dear to blow on a whole new set just for combining) I leapt into generic IOs and never looked back. -
Quote:Memorization isn't free, but it can be very profitable if you list your excess enhancements on the market.Originally Posted by FourSpeed
As you can see, that far exceeds the savings through memorization, even
if that process were free (which it isn't), so, no - that's probably not going
to be workable (imho).
Crafticus is on track to clear a 60m profit while earning Field Crafter. -
Nethergoat approves of this unspeakable new direction!
also.....Herge is still alive?
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Quote:I was able to use the exact same tricks I perfected here in 'that other game' with similar results.Originally Posted by Max_zero
WoW's prices are very stable.