Nethergoat

I used to sell them for 35 mil regularly, 25 sounds pretty reasonable.

And I can tell you from experience that you can get them now for less than 10 million with a little patience.

i see fulmens beat me to the point, and did it better- kudos, sir!

I've posted several threads demonstrating the opposite over the years, alas for the forum monster and sofware upgrade. Smurphy also fails to include the very relevant timeline for various recipes. Time between sales blue side generally kicks sand in the face of redside. In the thread I posted comparing the various Positron's Blast recipes back in the day hero side consistently delivered five dates within the last month, villain side regularly exhibited numbers stretching back 6 months or longer.


This was before merits so I'm sure things are different now, but it's been my experience that desireable items are still wildly more available blue side than red.


Level 50 is the only place the BM doesn't absolutely stink on ice, and even there it tends to lag the hero market.

Lots of people have the misapprehension that random rolls only get you junk (I call this the Evil Ryu Fallacy) so they save up and buy what they want.

The old system basically forced everyone to roll, which generated excess for the market. Merits encourage safety first types and people who are bad at math NOT to roll, which saps supply.

If folks could trade merits some would roll, sure, but many would just accumulate big piles to blow on the specific shiny they wanted for their builds.

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forgot villains, who can't usually sell their stuff and buy what they want like heroes- in their case, saving merits and buying specific recipes is probably the most efficient way to go about things.

use your slots however you like.
absent systemic change the BM will remain a wasteland whatever individual actors choose to list or not list.

I'm vastly more likely to list a marginal item if I see bids for it than otherwise.

list the stuff you hoarded because the market is so awful to fix the market is the deformed sibling of the ever popular PLAY MOAR VILLAINS 'solution' to BM woes.

good to know the devs are still in love with Magic Pony Plans.

*thumbsup*

what, and ruin my street cred?!?!

Your dialect isn't the problem, but rather the poverty of your ideas.

I'd rate those as relative of our own patrol XP, or WoW's rested XP....things I would call a feature rather than a reward.

To recklessly analogize, drops for being defeated would be like casinos paying out for losing at blackjack, or roulette. To carry it on a bit farther, patrol XP and the like are the video game version of casinos trying to keep chronic losers playing with free meal vouchers and tickets to Cirque du Soleil.
A 'thank you' to loyal customers or a bribe to suckers, depending on your viewpoint.

I think you bring up a good point as to why some players are so inimical to PvP. The PvE experience here basically guarantees success, the only question is the rate at which you achieve victory ('good' players do it efficiently, 'bad' ones do it slowly). A cutthroat environment of direct competition with clear cut winners and losers won't have wide acceptance among players acclimatized to certain victory. Come to think of it, the market falls under that same umbrella (although it is vastly easier to master than PvP).

I'll disagree with this one, mainly because I personally would absolutely PvP if it had a meaningful reward structure. But it doesn't, you either hit the jackpot or you get zilch. That feast or famine approach to rewards isn't going to attract new players, it just rewards the hardcore types who're already there.

Contrast with Purples, which are part of a reward ecosystem- salvage, inf, exp, inspirations.

If PvP had an analogous reward structure (pvp only salvage, pvp only inspirations, some alternative type of XP that advanced you on an alternate reward path), it would absolutely be worth it for 'casual' but interested players to dip their toes in now and again, even if they were mostly getting their rears handed to them by the experienced, kitted out regulars.

Note that this characterization does not include the vocal segment of our little community who scream bloody murder because they have to poke their timid heads into PvP zones for the occasional exploration badge. But I think a meaningful number of players would be open to 'dabbling' if the return on investment was more diverse and predictable.


r/e your proposed solution, games are generally loathe to reward failure.
Whether it would work to get people in zones or not, I can't see the devs going that route.

it's all so very unfair!!11

Alas, red side whiners don't count co-op content or content that everyone gets (like MA) as "real" villain content.

Farmers enjoy efficiency and will always seek out the most efficient means of accumulating rewards.

I'm afraid becoming the apple of a farmer's eye is an impossible task for 'old skool teaming'.

How did I miss this awesome post?

if rep had meaning any more I'd hose you down with it!

it's like they wanted the mini-game a market provides but didn't stop to consider the sort of behaviors a market enables...nay, encourages.


It's like hosting a political convention and being shocked, SHOCKED I SAY when ladies of the evening flock to the hotel lobby.


Wait, that isn't a very flattering analogy is it.... =/

anything that annoys me.

I have so little play time these days that I pretty much always have an auto-complete in my pocket. When I run up against a mission that experience tells me will bring more annoyance than entertainment (kill-alls on big outdoor maps, 'click the glowies' on giant Oranbega maps, any 'escort rescue' mission on my stalker) BAM, I junk that sucker and move on to the next one.

oh, you mean badgers?

the nice folk who supply my alts with shiny generic IOs for less than crafting cost?

Aren't they AWESOME?!?


Keep up the good work, badgers!!

I expect a lot of poorly thought out whining, so I'm going to ignore this post and thread.

i see listing junk salvage like playing market roulette- mostly you lose, but sometimes you hit a big score and get a good laugh out of it.

in any case, it's entertaining enough that I keep doing it.

niche value = no value.
and if enough of that kind of 'junk' gets listed under the current system that you can kit out for free, tell me what the point is of vastly increasing supply via some sort of automated system?

some folk love buying common salvage for 1inf and muling it to the vendor- that doesn't do much to change the dynamic of what it's 'worth'. Ditto for off-brand sets like confuse, slow, etc.


the market is a time sink.
I don't expect them to ever make it vastly more convenient for us.

I don't bother listing junky recipes, but I do list all my salvage at 1. anything that doesn't sell by the next time I hit the market gets deleted.

the onus is on the seller to know the market and not bother with 'junk'.
which is the system we have now- I don't bother selling garbage, I delete anything I know will just tie up a slot to no profit.

and in a drop system there is ALWAYS going to be junk.
there's no way to make everything worthwhile and usable- that would in fact defeat much of the purpose of a drop system. Unpredictability of reward is what makes it so psychologically appealing.

[qutoe]But I would not be against an INSTA sell to market feature of the stores. It would work like a deletion for me, but help the market. As long as it doesn't take up a market slot or cost me a fee. I also shouldn't get the inf for it, if it sells. I'm okay with that.[/quote]
How is polluting the market with *more* garbage helping anyone?
the stuff that isn't worth selling isn't worth selling whether you list it yourself or there's some automated feature that lists it for you.

if the 'general population' thinks its useless....then it IS useless. the playerbase defines value in this system.
worthless junk cluttering the market doesn't do anybody any good.