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Well, we had a bots MM and someone had a beam rifle so I assumed- they don't let MMs have it? that's really lame!
I guess it was our blaster then....which makes it even more inexcusable.
Quote:As for PUG TFs...I actually can count the times I've had *successful* Sutter runs (speaking primarily of the Duray fight) on the number of fingers it takes to piss people off.
So, there's that...but usually things wind up okay in the end.
But our weird, sub-par crew just couldn't make up for those two missing players. =/ -
Okay, last night I had the Two Face coin flip-side to my 'perfect' Sutter run.
Ugh!
Happily, with a good experience under my belt I know not to blame the TF, but my team. This is the only TF I've ever had to quit, which I felt really bad about, but it had dragged on for almost 3 hours, two players representing most of our DPS had already bailed and our "leader" was one of those super annoying scatterbrains who *thinks* they know what they're doing when nothing could be further from the truth.
Example, in the two AV with exploding ghouls fight, the leader runs *right* past Riptide and attacks the one at the top of the stairs. Yeah. So now we have TWO aggro'ed AVs to contend with, along with waves of bombs. There were also many, many instances of said leader jumping ahead of where sanity would compel most players to at least pause, but we mostly muddled through until that last fight.
So we have 6 players left. At least a couple of my teammates have made some highly questionable build choices- the /traps doesn't have caltrops, which came up during the ghoul mission. "drop some caltrops on those stairs" "Oh....I skipped that one."
sigh.
And our bots/beam MM *hadn't taken Disintigrate*.
*boggle*
So, in spite of being tough defensively (I was on Almighty Dollar, my elec/sonic controller) we just couldn't kill stuff that fast. Or in the case of the final AVs, *at all*.
After about the third team wipe, with my wife demanding I come sit with her like I'd promised I would an hour and a half ago, staring at a wall of Sky Raiders & an AV that was fully healed from our previous attempt, I pulled the rip cord and bailed out.
I don't feel good about it, but that team would have had a rough time clearing the mish if everyone was a really, really good player on really well built characters- we were anything but, and I include myself in that description. I don't play Dollar much, and I haven't paid any attention to his build beyond "oh that power looks cool...huh, I guess I need a couple of slots here..." Which usually gets camouflaged on a team, but this was a rare instance where *everyone else* was just as haphazard and uninformed as I was.
It didn't help that I eventually figured out the team leader had their difficulty bumped. While the person who formed the team was set to base difficulty, they swiched with someone higher level before forming the TF, and they (predictably) had jacked it up.
Again, maybe not a problem on a good team, but disaster for this one.
Anyway, it was a mess. I lost count of our casualties. I died at least 3 times due to our "leader" deciding they were done with a spawn and taking off for the next one with enemies still standing. "Uh hey, where are you going, this purple jump bot is still feeling pretty spry!"
*splat*
On the plus side, I picked up several levels. It wasn't efficient, but at least it was 2xp and thus not a complete waste of time.
I'm done running +diff TFs with PUGs.
I'm checking the leader's diff every time now, and if it's bumped I'm walking. -
Quote:Purples at the low end have dried up, partly due to people noticing how much inf you can make converting them, partly due to 2xp weekend inspiring most folks to play lower level guys & eroding supply.The real point is I finally have the funds to start playing the converter game, if I can get my hands on some 150 million purple recipes. So I put some lowball (142 million) bids on 2 different purple recipes, since thats all the cash I have, and since none instant filled for 150 million. Hopefully something moves while Im doing stuffs today to give me a little more buffer.
If you don't want to wait around for things to normalize, I'd suggest either combining those two bids into one higher bid more likely to fill in a timely manner, or switch over to PvP IOs. The margins tend to be smaller, but you can reliably get recipes for around 90m instead of 150-160. The good ones do go for purple prices (300m), the okay ones go for 150 or so. After dabbling a bit I switched back to purples- lower turnover = fewer converters needed, and bankroll isn't a problem for me. -
Quote:If your goal is to make inf, don't list them at 1.I'm one of the players that feeds you (and others) those inspirations.
I have the Inner Inspiration power. Every 30 minutes, I get three random medium or large inspirations.
Small inspirations, I eat like candy. I almost always have a few in effect on me. Medium inspirations, I save for tough spots, but still use frequently. Large inspirations tend to be Too Awesome To Use, even though I know I shouldn't look at them that way.
I happily throw Influence at the Market like it's going out of style, though, so I load all those inspirations I won't use on the Market for 1 Inf each, knowing that I'll get a fair bit more than that, and it'll be something that I actually use.
I agree that it may seem like a "paltry sum" to a 50, but to someone who rolls a LOT of new alts, the ability to have several million by level 20, just by clicking a power and putting inspirations on the Market is handy, and makes sure that I always have the Inf to buy TO/DO/SOs and/or craft common IOs out of the salvage that drops, without having to resort to marketeering or mailing Inf from alts.
List them for 1 more than the market hoover is paying, in this case 55,556.
Chances are you'll get 100k instead of 30 or 50.
The thing I do with Inner Inspiration on my low level guys is pop it off whenever it recharges, list the "good" ones with an eye toward making a few hundred K each, and save the crummy ones for combining into purples which reliably bring in 3-500k. -
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Quote:Yah, 2xp always upsets the apple cart.As a wild stab in the dark, I'd guess that people have been playing low level toons over the weekend, so there haven't been as many purples being generated over the last few days.
I usually give things a month to settle down after a DXP weekend. Of course, for those so inclined, the period of flux after a DXP weekend also offers plenty of opportunities to profit...
Me? I'm too idle to bother. Got more inf than I know what to do with already, so see no point.
But where there is chaos, opportunity isn't far behind!
Also, more people are starting to figure out the GROTESQUE PROFITS to be made converting purples. When I started messing around you could BUY NAO! at 150m and get a decent supply. Now, you can't pick up anything less than 160 and it's a wait at that price.
Quote:To briefly intrude on Nethergoat's thread, since I am also returning but don't have nearly the commitment to make a whole thread of my own...
Thanks for pitching in your experiences.
Quote:I didn't care much for my Beam Rifle/Time corruptor. I found it overly busy to buff, debuff, and try to shoot stuff at the same time.
I did find /Time to be very strong on my Beasts Mastermind, however. I assume Demons, Bots, Thugs, Mercenaries, etc. would be similarly strong with /Time.
I'm loving time on my thugs MM Dopplegangster.
But I can see how it might be a little busy for an active primary like Beam. I'm loving /rad though- Throw out my debuffs and open fire! -
Quote:AFAIR Jack was a big fan of 'classless'.Some leaders are only good "fixing" broken projects/departments/companies while others are good keeping it running once "fixed". From my understanding Jack help fix the game with ATs and powersets rather than a classless/skills based design which was too easy to cripple a character.
See: that other superhero game he made. -
I'll be sure to nose around when I get home!
I'm actually sort of having fun kitting out his build- I usually just use whatever until they hit the cap, then go shopping en masse. This piecemeal approach is keeping me entertained- nice to see little improvements in his performance as I run stuff. -
Mine is level 25 & never has problems getting teams.
I much prefer him to my higher level emp/elec because the blast set makes him feel useful & fun in between buffing and throwing out the occasional heal. -
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Quote:A good tank does make things easier for everyone, and I can see mistaking that certainty for a necessity.Someone asking for a tank thinks they need more aggro control and redirected damage mitigation. They may actually be correct given team composition and player experience, or they may just be incorrect due to their own inexperience. That shouldn't be judged too harshly.
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more adventures in 2xp!
First, generic IOs on my field crafter:
I filled up a couple of Crazy 88's base bins with damage & end redux & endmod that I made for basically nothing- a few k for salvage from long-range patience bids.
The surprise hot seller is level 20 end redux.
I sold an entire tray load for over 1m, and they've been selling as fast as I can list them for 600k to 1m. Impatience for the win!
The other stuff is doing fine, but I overestimated my Endmod price & they're just sitting there.
But generics are all this guy sells, so I'll just let 'em sit.
Generally the post-2XP frenzy, when people pause to take a breath and slot all those new powers 'for real', cleans out whatever I wasn't able to move.
Purple supply has dried up, so it's time to either bump up my price point or wait out the 2xp frenzy. PvP IOs have been selling briskly and I've rebuilt my reserve of converters during the supply slowdown of 2xp.
R/e that Thunderstrike triple I picked up for merits, costing myself 1b in potential converting profits:
Poking around this morning I saw a crafted one had showed up at a weird level, picked it up with my first bid of 10m.
So, yeah- patience IS a virtue, folks! =P
I also grabbed Ray an LotG +rech to stick in Manuevers and was shocked at the price- got one on my first bid of 60m. A paltry SIXTY MILLION for an LotG + rech? What's happening to the world!! At that price I picked up another one for when I have a spare slot for Combat Jumping.
I now have two full sets of Thunderstrikes slotted & Ray is up to 15% ranged defense with Manuevers running. Put out bids on a set of Gaussian's to six-slot Tactics with, which will make my 5th 2.5% Ranged Defense set bonus once I finish off my other two sets of Thunderstrikes.
Also went on a spending spree and six-slotted Overcharge with the Malice of the Corrupter ATO. That's a two-fer for him- terrific ranged defense (3.75) and terrific recharge (8.75). Plus now I don't need to pick up a crummy targeted AoE set.
On the gameplay front I picked up a Yin TF, not because he needed it but because it was the first TF that crossed my chat window. Good team, fast run- 30 minutes.
And then, a moral quandry.
The core of the team was going to go on and run my favorite, Manticore. And it was a really good team- elec brute who could just jump into a spawn and laugh, another beam rifle blaster (which is always a lot of fun- bonus disintegrates all round!) & a good stone controller.
On the one hand, tedious gameplay.
On the other hand, imagine the positively DISGUSTING piles of xp to be earned mowing down all those purple Paragon Protectors.
So, double XP + the guarantee of a solid team won out.
It wasn't fast, but it wasn't slow- finished in about 1:30.
The xp was phenomenal and Ray finished the evening at level 38.
While relaxing on the couch after my strenuous gaming session, I of course came up with the idea for yet another alt- Mr. Ikebana, a Plant controller of some sort. A minimalist costume, white bodysuit with Organic Armor boots colored to look like roots, the off-center Plant chest detail & that one belt that's two coils that don't quite meet in the front, also colored like roots.
Sometimes they happen that way, one minute nothing, the next POOF! an entire character.
So this AM I hit the character creator. Surveying secondaries, I see Force Field and think to myself, "hey, didn't I want to make a FF character for running TFs?" But how to justify it for this particular character? Why, TERRARIUMS of course!
Finished his costume in record time since I already knew what it looked like & hit DFB. Just to be sick I pulled a super pack xp booster out of email and popped it.
Two runs, level 18.
Nice!
I figure I'll get him up to 20 tonight, then enhance him and start playing the "real" game...unless they're a Posi running when I log in. I'm always up for a Posi... -
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Jack is a toad.
the best thing that ever happened to this game was him taking NC's bribe to leave. -
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Quote:A lot of players treat inf like it has some intrinsic value, like gold bars, rather than as a currency which has a value exactly equal to whatever you use it to acquire.What's puzzling is that for every player that does this as I do (and all you need is /auctionhouse and a moderate amount of inf, which is not THAT small a group of players... er, I think), there has to be dozens or even hundreds of players that look at a Righteous Rage and say "this isn't useful, I'd rather have a paltry sum of influence".
And I know many players have the same weird attitude about inspirations themselves- that they're something to hoard just in case rather that use to ease your path through the game.
I once had a similar attitude about inspirations, until my farming forays into DA with my fire blaster showed me the light. You couldn't yet combine inspirations, so I would just bang on my f 1-4 keys as things dropped, pausing every so often to delete those annoying Awakens, and at any given time I'd be cruising along with eight or ten random buffs stacked on me.
Other than squishies keeping a break free or two in reserve, I'm a full blooded advocate of BURN 'EM IF YA GOT 'EM.
And the ability to buy up huge reserves of giant inspirations DIRT CHEAP on the market is one of the games great underutilized resources. -
Quote:I think being a genuine Eeeebil Marketeer takes a shift in thinking.This.
My approach is that I try to be Wal-Mart rather than Tiffany's.
Like, a 'regular player' looks at a 10m IO and thinks EXPENSIVE!, whereas I look at one and think "geez, how many of those would I have to schlep to market to equal one converted Purple sale? Ugh!"
The best way to make a gigantic gang-pile of play money is to realize it's play money and treat it accordingly. -
Quote:There were a couple of spots I see could being a PITA on a lame team.
As nearly as I can tell people that hate this TF have been on teams that couldn't handle the teleporting AV at the end, and got pummeled by the air strikes. Because it's a very fun TF on a good team. I like it!
But on this one, it was a blast.
We were so great I'm thinking about making a FF defender & seeing how high I can get them tonight and tomorrow night just for running TFs... -
Quote:I still need several- I'll see which and drop you a line. =DAww. You should have mentioned you needed Thunderstrikes. I think I still have 30 or so full sets in the 34-36 level ranges in storage (for personal use).
I have 4 blasts to six slot- one is fully slotted, one four slotted, one three slotted and one still running on generics. -
Quote:As a corollary, last night in LFG I saw several people demanding a "brute or tanker" for their team.Idiots telling other people how to play their "healers" for maximum heal? Is that back again? There is no experience requirement or IQ test to get into a public channel.
C'mon people, think outside the box!
I steamrolled the Sutter TF last night on a squad with one scrapper, two corrupters, two controllers, a blaster and a pair of defenders. We just KILLED it. FF defender, emp defender, time controller, dp/kin corrupter + my beam rifle/rad. Everyone speed boosted, everyone at the defense cap thanks to bubbles + stacked Manuevers, with Fortitude rotating around the damage dealers. RNG disasters handled by our Emp, who didn't have Absorb Pain & didn't use her aura that I noticed.
The joy of CoH is in the flexibility.
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Quote:As I noted earlier, the way to get fast sell-through is price ridiculously low- like, cost + a million or two. Certainly less than 1/2 the "going rate".Day 9: Friday July 27, 2012
Only sold one Efficacy Adaptor: End Mod/Rech for 20 mill...
No idea what Im doing wrong thats keeping ALL of my stuff from filling, Im posting things for more/less than the last few trying to get things on the low, but nothing wants to work...
Sold the Decimation for 20 mill, bought a Luck of the Gambler: +7.5% Global Recharge, crafted and listed, my current plan is to get enough cash to buy a cheap purple, craft, convert, and sell, and hopefully that treats me better than the rest of all this has so far.
10m, 20m, that's chump change for the people who buy crafted IOs.
Players who care about spending a few tens of millions aren't your customers- those guys are buying recipes and crafting their own for 1 1/0th the cost. Buying crafted IOs is a pure luxury niche.
So, if the last five is a solid wall of 10 millions or 15 millions, list at 5.
Or heck, try one at 3 and see what happens.
There are always bottom feeders bidding a couple million hoping for a score, or flippers with lowball bids, so you can't just dump stuff for cost because you'll probably get burned. But cost plus a little bit will usually net you whatever the 'going rate' is.
Here's how I shop for crafted IOs:
last 5:
10m
10m
7m
10m
15m
If I'm feeling playful I'll throw up a 2m bid just to see if I can catch someone out. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.
Then I'll bid the 'going rate' plus a bit- 11m, or more likely 11,111,111 because I'm too lazy to use more than one key on the numberpad.
If that doesn't get it, I'm going up to 20m because I'm tired of re-typing bids.
Point being, people with massive piles of disposable inf are your customers for crafted IOs. And they are, for the most part, not going to quibble about paying between 5-20m for a crafted IO.
Just remember, the last 5 tells you nothing except what people have paid.
Your goal is to list for the lowest price you can justify so that next 10m or whatever sale goes to you instead of some 'craft to sell' operator who's making the IO for 1m, listing it at 3.5 and selling it for 10.
For super high end stuff the rules are different- when you convert that purple, list it for more or less what you want to sell it for.
But for cheap stuff (cheap = anything 20m and below), list it for as low a price as you can live with. Turnover, turnover, turnover. -
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