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Invulnerability is a relative thing. Look at the original Superman vs. Hulk.....er sorry I meant DOOMSDAY fight. Both are kryptonian, both are invulnerable, but both have tremendous strength which pretty much cancelled out their invulnerability.

Same with HULK vs THOR. Both have a level of invulnerability, both heal fast though I suspect Hulk's rage would amp his healing abilities to above THOR. But their immense strength should also make the invulnerability useless.

I'm just glad the worthiness enchantment remains in the hammer, plus that scene was also a nice reminder to HULK fans that for all his brute strength that the hammer of THOR is not meant for him.

Granted HULK generally doesn't need a hammer or any other hand held weapons......

I lost track of all the easter eggs in the movie, but how cool was it that Stark was wearing a Black Sabbath t-shirt?

Also I think I noticed twice in the movie when the arc reactor inside Stark wasn't glowing under the shirt. FX error?

I think DC's latest movie reboot plan is partially an attempt to start interlocking their movies for a hopeful JL movie.

Also the Superman movies need the reboot.

But good luck getting a Wonder Woman movie, a better GL movie.... etc.

Yes the medics were there, and Coulson's last words were to indicate that his death would be necessary to get the Avengers in gear, and yes Fury's behavior seemed a bit off perhaps due to considering using his death in such a manner.

As to the medics, we are talking an impalement/stabbing into the back and out the chest looking like it may have caused some rather serious arterial damage to the heart. Sure it is possible that they saved him, but I think given the wound in question that saying that Coulson realized the dangers of confronting Loki head on and activated his LMD and sent it in would be the better way of bringing him back.

Vision is a rumor only. I would rather see them activate the Android Torch that we saw in the cameo in Cap's movie.

I must agree that is very therapeutic to watch. "Puny God!" indeed!

Uhmmm.......I know this is a comic book movie and in comics death has a tendency to not be permanent except for Captain Mar-Vell (Though that might be changing due to the Phoenix Force), but Coulson looked to be stabbed in or near his heart and it sure looked like he died in front of Fury.

Now granted they might have revived him and he's currently comatose as he heals but still that sure looked like a permanent death scene.

Joss has indicated there is about 30 minutes or more of deleted scenes for the DVD, I would expect some of them would be of Cap learning the histories of his comrades in arms and of Peggy Carter. However any angst he has about being a man out of his time belongs in Captain America 2, not the Avengers.

Speculation on my part: Howard Stark equipped Cap with his costume and the round shield that we all know and love. He also supplied armor and weapons for Cap's Commandos and he worked with Peggy Carter. He also located and retrieved the tesseract and helped start SHIELD. I would guess that Cap's Commandos and Peggy Carter were some of SHIELD's original agents. That would be fitting.

To set things up, and get the heroes together.

I'm going off some old memories here so bear with me:

When John Byrne took the West Coast Avengers book, he began with the story about how the Vision was taken by the governments of the world, his program erased, all backups deleted from Avengers computers and his body dismantled. He was retrieved, and Pym reassembled him, but not after they showed the still living but frail Phineas Horton looking at the Vision's pieces and declaring that Vision was not nor ever was the Torch. This went against what the Vision saw when Immortus showed him his past of being rebuilt by Horton via Ultron's influence from the Torch.

Vision is back online but now emotionless, and Wonder Man won't let his brainwaves be copied again so we had a new Vision so to speak. But since it was declared he wasn't a reformatted Torch, then came the question: WHERE IS THE TORCH? He was found in an old cemetary where he was buried as part of a funeral setup by the Mad Thinker to capture TORO, Torch's old partner. (this led to Toro's death in Sub Mariner 14). Scarlet Witch reactivates him and he joins the team. Pym then deduces that Vision was built from spare parts of the Torch. Immortus was viewing all this and seemed pleased that all went to plan.

Years later, in Avengers Forever by Kurt Busiek, many dangling plots and inconsistencies were tackled, including Torch and the Vision. After the Torch was beaten when he appeared in the Fantastic Four annual, he was left in the Thinker's lab. Immortus used a device called the Forever Crystal to temporally split time and divided the Torch into two Torches. One get used in the plot to capture Toro and is buried in the cemetary, and the other is used by Ultron to form the Vision. So the Vision IS a rebuilt Torch after all.

In Avengers Disassembled, a controlled She Hulk tore Vision in half and he was in storage in Stark's labs. Only recently has he returned in time for the Avengers vs Xmen. Apparently Tony Stark was working on the Vision and managed to piece enough of him back together for Vision's own internal repair systems to reactivate. Now the Vision is back and adjusting to all that has changed since he was destroyed.

Recently in Secret Avengers, Android Torch was badly damaged and placed in storage to await repairs.

Yeah, having that cameo in Cap was a nice touch and rather fitting since as I recall from the Timely era he predates Cap and Namor.

Would be nice if they get him into the movies. If Marvel Movie Studio can't have the F.F. since Fox retains the movie rights, they just might be able to get the Android Torch in instead.

Also Torch and Vision in comics are separate beings now. Long story.

That whole thing about coming up with a shorter name could have been simple tongue in cheek humor throughout the movie until Coulson simply said "Just call us SHIELD". I suspect that was their name all along.

Iron Man 2 reveals that Howard Stark helped start SHIELD, or whatever name it may have had back in that era.

We do not yet know the history/fates of Cap's Howling Commandos or Peggy Carter and there have been early reports that Dum Dum Dugan is going to be in Cap 2 despite Cap 2 being set in modern times. A really old Dum Dum Dugan? Will they keep him young with the Infinity Formula? or is this the Grandson of Dum Dum Dugan?

I think it would be fitting if the Commandso and Peggy Carter were part of the original SHIELD agency.

Try these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bb00M1NXmw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGS62bGmnjY

G1 Season 1 was good, Second half of Season 2 and most of Season 3 were good despite it being a toy commercial

Though Beast Wars was also a toy commercial, it raised the bar rather high in terms of story and of course CGI and is still enjoyable to watch and I still think it's the best.

Beast Machines: great CGI, a bit too much hocus pocus mysticism for a TF show though. That kind of hurt the overall story, imo

TF: RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Bayformers Trilogy = W.W.N.S.O.T

WE WILL NOT SPEAK OF THIS

I think the GI JOE Cartoon and the A_team are tied for censorship.

How many bullets are fired in an average episode of A-team and no one is wounded or killed?

How many LASERS are fired in an episode of GI JOE and no one is killed?

Oh I knew you meant the main death, was just pointing out that deaths will occur.

Ah good, so I didn't miss any Vision related easter eggs, good thing I didn't or else I might need my own vision checked. (bad pun, I know)

As long as Sony keeps pumping out Spidey movies the rights are theirs unless there was a very strict reversion date in the contracts. Same with Fox regarding X-men, the FF and characters that appear in both.

Last I read was that Blade and Punisher have reverted to Marvel and characters like Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doc Strange are still in Marvel's movie studio so they could pop up or at least be mentioned or have a cameo.

So unless Marvel/Disney wants to fork over some serious cash to regain X-men/FF/Spidey movie rights, the alternative is for the Mightiest Lawyers from Sony/Fox/Marvel-Disney to assemble and hammer out one DOOZY of a contract to allow for all the characters to be used together in movies.

I suspect it would be quicker for Marvel-Disney to just hand over the cash.......call it a hunch

Hm, I recall no references or easter eggs in the movie about the Vision but it is possible that I missed it.

Frankly, I think I'd rather see them activate "Professor Horton's Synthetic Man" that we saw in Cap's movie and thus we'd have the original Human Torch.

Well strictly speaking there are many deaths in the Avengers. Yes it is the one character death that strongly motivates at least one hero that needed it. However, as any can see from posters, trailers and TV spots that New York will be under attack by Loki's army. At the end of the movie you will see people at makeshift memorial locations posting photos, letters, etc.

Yeah, I have a hunch that this death may have to be reversed somehow given the fan attachment to the character and how frankly I don't think anyone saw it coming despite any familiarity with Whedon's work.

Still it wasn't a frivolous death, it was more like Shepard's death in Serenity gave Mal the wake up call he needed to take on the Alliance again.


Again without dropping any major spoilers, I can safely say that the death in Avengers is what gets one of them motivated for sure. The others didn't need it as much as the one I refer to.

Not to drop any major spoilers but I thought the Avengers ending was rather happy as well as open for more movies.

I'm saying Dredd should be killed off now or that he is too old to continue as a street judge like he wants to. He's already quite being a judge I think twice and taken the long walk once already.

I'm simply stating that Dredd does age, that he is getting up there, and that eventually the creator/writers/editor are going to have to do something.

Granted I like it when characters age as it sure does beat the "sliding timeline" or "universal reboots" like some other companies are well known for. But it does have the problem that eventually the character get's too old to continue effectively doing what they do.

Look what they did to end Max Punisher? He aged in real time, was in his mid 60's and met his fate at the end of the series.