Nalrok_AthZim

So Lex Luthor isn't fit to be a comic book villain? Half of his creations are projectile-firing devices of some sort (see: gun).

Let me put it this way: I'd like the villain tips to stop treating my characters like the Thug Arsonist and start treating them like actual villains. All the tips are is "SMASH STEAL SMASH STEAL KILL KILL KILL." If none of those three things are involved, it's usually "I'm going to go beat this person up. Done. Oh look I found a valuable thing I could use maybe. Mission complete." Give me something with a world domination plot; how cool would it be to hold the world ransom? How awesome would it be to lure a hero into an actual trap?

(I realize there are "trick the hero" missions. I don't want to steal something to lure out a hero. I want to start a diabolical plan, have them try to stop me, and then fall into a deathtrap where I destroy them!)

While I understand the frustration of such an epic thread necro, how exactly would this damage the servers? I can't even rationalize something like "it would increase server strain" because it wouldn't.

Some tips actually get the evil done. Such as the one where you stomp the weakened Longbow Officers flat. Others, like the "give Lt. Demitrovich the gun you rigged to explode" seems less 'actual villain' and more 'guy that likes to kill people with recipes from the anarchist's cookbook'. That CAN be considered villainous, but not exactly in the comic-book-ish way; more like the actually-sociopathic-homicidal-nutcase way. The more evil choice, IMO, would be to USE the gun on Demitrovich and send her to the hospital directly.

Not at all. You're close though. Replace 'naughty' with 'an anarchist' and 'just misunderstood' with 'actually evil.'

I'm tired of my character's motives being fed to him. Seriously, the villain tips put a lot of words in the mouths of the people running them.

I vote to stay as far from the D as possible. x.x

I'd love to see a Nemesis EAT.

What was the point of this?

I think it's because Loyalists, regardless of moral choices, are considered villains by the game's system and every bit of co-op text ever (which I think is stupid).

I'll join the moment I can; work has been a total ***** lately.

I always forget that SR has scaling resistances. Thanks for reminding me.

Read the OP carefully and get back to me if that's what you think is going on here.


So you'd rather forego all the mission rewards, the story progression and the moral choice for that? Again, it's just your character in a game. If you want to skip out then fine; new players and completionists will NOT have the option to just stop playing. It's not even a logical course of action unless you just can't live with yourself for "killing" a 3D generated character, in which case, you have no reason to play any content in this entire game.

Well by that logic I should just stop playing the game entirely. Come on dude, don't troll.

Welcome to the entirety of Praetoria's morality.

That. Is. The. Point.

Why am I loyal to it? Because it's a character in a video game. Do we honestly have the choice of taking our characters and saying "I'm not doing anything for anyone in Praetoria because everything isn't black and white! Damn this gray area!"? When we're between Cleopatra and Washington, do we have the option to go "screw both of you I'm leaving"?

No. So you push on. Don't argue with me that you COULD do that; that's not valid and you know it.

Do Loyalists who aren't Praetors know this happened?

Semantics it is, then. Forget we went back and forth on it.

Yes it had and I've pointed this out to you twice. Washington found evidence that Cleopatra had been working with the Resistance in the form of the body of one Sergeant Chance. Chance had had his desk bugged (by you). He was sent, by Cleopatra, to the same weapons cache she told you about. He was killed by the Resistance. Cleopatra promptly does the same to you but you don't die. All of the ends tie together when you tell Washington you planted the bugs. Her acts were those of a terrorist, and unless something was done, Praetor White would have flexed his muscles and gotten her off the hook. HE EVEN ADMITS IT. Here, let me show you.

History has proven time and again that criminals will continue to be criminals; that said, the choice was between killing Cleopatra and stopping her acts of treason and murder, or let her live and watch more and more PPD officers die in ambushes and the like.

Then let me approach it differently: Why would my beliefs on police forces apply to my choices in the game? If the two were at all similar, Praetoria would be vastly different.

And I wasn't flaming you. You asked a very dumb (and if not dumb, then not applicable) question.

Again, she had you bug a PPD precinct to properly predict their whereabouts. She had you stop the Resistance, but only because the Crusaders are outright NUTS. After that, she sends you to the warehouse where you're jumped by Resistance. Washington calls you and says "Hey, remember those guys you bugged? Yeah, they did the same warehouse thing you just did and died." She had 2 PPD officers sent to their deaths. She's a terrorist in the world of Praetoria, and instead of "defending herself" when you confront her she just sits there and threatens Washington (and also begs you not to listen to him).

And after the fact, White himself admitted that he would have.

Please don't make the assumption that I can't differentiate a totalitarian regime in a video game from an actual police force in real life.

If you had ANY shred of common sense you wouldn't have asked that question.

Who, Cleopatra? Did you forget that she had you bug the PPD so the Resistance could track their movements, then sent you to your death in a Resistance-filled tunnel? She wasn't a "citizen", she was a traitor and a saboteur who had Praetor White under her thumb.

Fast Healing and... High Pain Tolerance? Because HPT doesn't provide defense.

At what point does a Responsibility Loyalist needlessly kill a citizen?

Longbow invaded Praetoria during that arc, remember? They were constantly muttering about how the PPD were equipped with non-lethal weaponry while Longbow themselves were equipped with flamethrowers, chainguns, sniper rifles, grenade launchers... (Great example of Shoot First, Ask Questions Later.)

I don't know if you're aware of how stuff like this works, but when one faction barges in on another faction's territory with lethal weaponry it's usually a declaration of war.

In all honesty, the invasion of Primal Earth is justified on Cole's end. Think about it; Longbow and Arachnos invade. Invade. Arachnos goes to great lengths to blow up one of the Keyes Island Reactors (which would literally wipe all of Praetoria--and more--off the map) and sides with the Resistance. Longbow show up on the shores of Praetoria and invade a lab or two, opening fire and holing up. Now you find out there are powered individuals in Primal Earth, where the main two factions BOTH came in to your world with guns blazing?

Look at it from a Loyalist's perspective: The two central factions of Primal Earth are violent, use deadly weaponry to "subdue" people, and have no regard for anything if their mission is set. You realize that there are super-powered individuals backing them up in Primal Earth with the same ideals and beliefs in their heads. As a Loyalist, Praetoria is your home, and most Loyalists want Praetoria preserved. An invasion is nowhere near out of the question after the events brought about by Primal Earth insurgents.

But we still get the "**** off and go away, you know too much for some reason" from Cole.

I already told you, nothing! Stop being so adamastor about it!