Myrmydon
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Quote:The point of playing the game (for me) is to enjoy myself, not treat it as a second job. This particular selection of SBEs will definitely let me do that more than before.Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
The point of playing the game is to build my characters and use them in missions. If I can just buy the things I need in-game with cash, there's not really any point to playing the game. Might as well just pay someone else to play the game for me.
I also now have the advantage of never having to bother with whether or not I will have enough Paragon Reward points to get the T9 VIP rewards that come out, plus I can make liberal use of the Repeat consumables offered at that tier. Not to mention the fact that the game received a healthy influx of income, thereby, having the ability to keep the servers up and making more content to enjoy. Everyone definitely wins in the end.
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Quote:Today, more than a dozen of my characters went back into the "play and slot" instead of being relegated to Tip Monkey status. After I aquire all of the cheap crap that can be bought in the WW Grocery Store for virtual nickels, making new characters will be an "Try an alt, Mids a build, slot as it's played" activity.Originally Posted by Bosstone
Wee-ee-eell, more like "Pay to be as awesome as I could be in-game, just faster." For IOs that are both attainable in-game and on the market, it's purely a time versus money equation.
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Quote:A billion times this. Maybe by next summer, it might actually be possible.Originally Posted by Necrotron_RO
Still, I suppose some would rather just click 'buy', slot them, and run whatever content they want.
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Quote:These type of SBEs would have to be a permanent item in the Paragon Market before there is any hope of that. I figure that, by summer we'll see the full compliment (minus Purple/PvP SBEs).Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
I sold four of the level 25 Gambler globals overnight and got more than I posted for each of them. Them and the level 20 Miracle globals sell like hotcakes, and I'm glad they continue to do so even during sales in the real-money market.
Having said that, despite my overabundant source of low-level recipes, I keep hoping that the people who dish out the big bucks will eventually just move onto spending real money on these things so the demand in the in-game market goes down and drags the prices right along with it. Here's keeping my fingers crossed! -
Quote:There's a spending cap of $400.00, which I could comfortably hit every month, no worries. I just figure that I don't feel like waiting until they open up everything on the market when I can get what I want right now. I'd rather buy them as I played up through the levels, however, I have taken all of that into account.Originally Posted by Neuronia
Hehehehe.
Gonna have to put a leash on that credit card if they ever sell purples or PvPIOs that way Myrm.
Haven't bought any myself, I still have tons of respecs and storage.
Might grab a few before the sale closes though. -
Rough estimate is 62 LotG Procs, with almost that number of Defense and Defense/Endurance IOs, with a handful of others of the set sprinkled in. It would take a bit of time to work out exactly how many, but I'll be able to give an accurate count tomorrow.
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Quote:I will take hideous over having "Form Cartel" under my name (If I ever hit 10,000 posts) anyday.Originally Posted by DarkGob
Fine, the color itself isn't necessarily hideous, but against the blue backdrop of the forums it clashes awfully.
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In truth, with the spending cap per month, I'm glad that these will be available at a later date. It has made things a lot easier to prioritize this weekend.
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All in all, I may have something like 75 to 80% of my character compliment fully IO'd (or have them waiting in the wings) before Christmas.
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Quote:I have a couple of characters in the 20s that will do just that.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
They're real benefit is being able to slot them as you're leveling, and they level up with you to their maximum aspect enhancement.
And while the aspect enhancement gets hit by exemplar scaling, the bonus remain to a pretty low level.
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Quote:No kidding. I just wish we had a higher spending cap.Originally Posted by rsclark
I can earn a buck fifty much easier and faster than any of those things you listed.
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If Numina's had still been part of this sale, it would have been a total Willpower paradise, however, I'll just grab those either in-game or when they become available (if I still need them for builds by then). Funny thing is, if it's the proc that's holding things up, I really didn't need those, just two or three of the rest of the set (in batches of 3). It's not like I am burning merits on Kin Combat or LotG anytime soon. The Basilisk's set just ensured that I will IO out at least two controllers (and maybe a Dom that might need them if I have the points left after the primary run-through).
While Eradication would have been nice to have (especially last weekend when I had to conjure 8 4-part sets of them), it's not as pressing, so maybe the Christmas sale can add some of those. -
Quote:Well, I have just about all of the paragon points I could get this month (that cap does get in the wayOriginally Posted by Agent White
It's just market testing. If it proves successful then it'll likely be a return item.
), so the SBE gorge begins either in a few minutes or tomorrow morning.
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Quote:While ultimately I agree, I have to say that reading the threads that would come of that would be at least as much fun to read as SuperGob's Super Pack thread.Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Free and Premium accounts can go to first ward just fine to get the exploration, history, and defeat badges. They just can't do the contact missions there.
Directly, no (same goes for the Paragon Rewards badges). I agree. Selling badges is bad.
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Quote:Heh, heh, heh, not where I work, no. I just got divorced a couple of summers ago and have no kids (that I can claim...), so I have a decent amount of disposable income when I wish to.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
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Is your business hiring? Do they need a tech guy?
(EDIT: That wasn't a jab. I'm really unemployed, and miss being able to spend money on video games like that.) -
Quite a pile of SBEs that will be had tomorrow.
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Quote:Heh, buying IOs in the Paragon Market is "cheating"? Awesome. I'll take that level of "cheating" over exploitation everytime.Originally Posted by Seschat
OK, 4 year VIP veteran here. A few items I see as practical, useful, and nifty to other folks: Martial Arts Pack (have it), VIP Upgrade, the invention license, transfer and respec tokens (too many stockpiled). Most of the rest is in the pay-to-win category: Recipe sets, inspirations, xp boosters, windfalls. Nothing I have any interest in messing with: I would rather get those through playing the game rather than spending cash.
The stuff I would be willing to spend money on, but just cannot justify the expense on, are those market items that make the overall game experience better without seeming like a cheat. Character slots, costume slots, storage space. hardly anything in that category got listed that I need.
As far as "pay-to-win" goes, you get what you want playing the game your way, I'll spend the equivalent of 26 paid subsciptions this month getting what I want (there is a spending cap, unfortunately...) to play the game my way and we can both be happy. I'll even send you any IO recipe drops I get in-game that correspond to the sets I buy this weekend (for absolutely nothing) if it will make you feel better.
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Quote:Originally Posted by OmniNogard
Not sure if i was the one who found it 1st or not but it's where the +Regen/Reco Proc would not be slotted, I had bought the set on the beta sever for a char and it was not letting me slot it and saying it was too weak to use like i out leveled it.
Heh, heh, heh. Too bad. I was going to unslot in-game ones and toss them in the Wentworth's "grocery store" to swap for those, since most of those in the SBE sets would be extras otherwise. Next time, then. -
Quote:That's 5,200 Points not spent in the store this weekend. Can we just buy the Numina's now and wait for you to fix them?Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Just popping in here to update you guys regarding an item we had to remove from the Black Friday sale:
- Late yesterday we discovered a fairly egregious bug with the Numina's Convalescence set, so we made the decision to pull the item from this weekend's sale. Once we fix the bug we'll give everyone another chance to purchase it.
Sorry about anyone who was anticipating this one, however we felt it was important to fix the issue prior to people paying Paragon Points for it.
Thanks and Happy Turkey Day everyone!
-Z
No? Ok, if you insist, I'll just "grocery store shop"/Merit for the ones I want since the things I primarily burn merits on will be for sale.
Z, I have one request if you wouldn't mind passing it along. If you guys are going to sell things like this more often, would you mind either setting the sale dates on (or after) the 15th of the month or giving us plenty of advanced notice so we can prepare for it? Some of us only get paid once a month and usually set play money allotments, which would be helpful on the off chance that you guys might want some of it in the future. -
Quote:Someone else who's on the same page.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Buying enhancements doesn't eliminate the rest of the game, which is actually "playing the game". Making and slotting enhancements is a fairly minor part of the game, one that many people think is a tedious project at best.
Why do you think there is so much FARMING in this game (and every other game with high end gear)? So people get their stuff faster. A large number (possibly the majority, possibly not) of farmers don't actually enjoy farming... they're not doing something they ENJOY. That is a RIDICULOUS prospect in a pretendy fun time GAME.
There are a zillion things to do in the game that I would rather be doing than sitting at the market filling bids, sitting in my base crafting pieces, or farming for drops. Most of my characters don't use anything other than common IOs because I find it so frikken tedious. I don't get satisfaction out of putting IOs in my character's slots, I get satisfaction out of PLAYING MY CHARACTER.
If I had the money to spend on SBEs, you bet your bottom I'd do it in a heartbeat because then I could get to go do something I enjoy. And it shouldn't matter to you where I got my stuff, as long as I am enjoying myself. If I'm enjoying myself, WHY DO YOU CARE?
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Quote:I believe the compromise will eventually be that they sell all non-PvP/Purple IOs (that currently exist) in the Paragon Market on a permanent basis. This will allow for more slotting options (particularly for the Premium/Free crowd) and still maintain the "need to earn it" feeling people like you seem to need. This game stays in business awhile longer and everyone gets some of what they want in the end.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
And your entire post seems to be alluding a very simple fact. People who play MMO's generally work very hard on their characters, and have a sense of personal satisfaction for accomplishing things with those characters. The game world is meant to provide challenges for players to overcome, which keeps the game fresh and exciting.
Some people become fond of certain characters and choose to invest in top end enhancements to optimize their performance, in an attempt to do new and more difficult things. This process takes time and effort. Getting the best loot in the game is the goal of end game players, and it motivates them to spend their time running certain content in order to achieve that goal.
In the case of COH, that is content that helps with A.) Builds and B.) Incarnate powers.
If you eliminate the need to earn performance enhancing powers or enhancements, you eliminate the satisfaction that comes from playing the game. Selling top end enhancements or incarnate powers for real-life money negates the sense of accomplishment that comes from earning them, and it also eliminates the need to play said content in the first place.
This will have a negative impact on the integrity of the game: There is always going to be a "Now what do I do?" factor in games like this. Say you just got your first character to level 50, and now you want to get an IO build. As it is now, people will tell you that you need to spend "x" time doing "y" things to earn that build- It's another challenge, and another reason to play the game.
As it stands right now, if it weren't for the Incarnate system, and all IO's were available in the market, there would be nothing left to accomplish by playing the game. A sense of accomplishment is a very important part of a game like this, because without it there is no point.
Now, selling IO's because they're "outdated accomplishments" and the Incarnate System is the "new" way to progress level 50 characters is a pretty silly stance to take in my opinion, because it will perpetuate the idea of the game continually "nullifying" itself, which will leave people detached from their characters and disenchanted with the game.
The way to avoid something like this is to keep goals in game which take time and patience to meet as things that require said time and patience. Otherwise, you undermine the integrity of progression which will ultimately lead to the death of the game as a whole. This is not something I want to see- I really enjoy this game. -
Quote:I find it hilarious that when someone would prefer to buy SBEs rather than deal with the Invention System, there's always a "lazy", "incompetent", "Learn to play" or some other insult involved. You'd figure after seven years, I'd be used to it by now.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
And so, because you don't have time, it means that those of us who made time because we wanted to have top enhancements for our characters now get to be told "Oh I know you worked to get that stuff in your build, but SURPRISE! Joe Lazy Guy with a 20 dollar bill can get 'em without any effort required!"
Honestly, I think the Incarnate power system is an ingenious concept and would prefer the Invention system to mirror it.Quote:It's a slippery slope- Your argument can be applied to Incarnate content too. "I don't have time to get Incarnate salvage. Let me give you irl money for it!" And the same for badges, "I don't have time to collect badges, here lemme pay you for 'em."
What I would ultimately like to do is IO set slot a character as I level play it, rather than wait until 32 to really start fully set slotting. SBEs would let me do that without wasting all of the time needed to aquire and craft IOs, which is time that I consider far more valuable to me than a bit of money is. I see SBEs as an extremely viable way to go back to playing content the way its intended instead of either gaming or exploiting the system, as many of us no doubt do one or the other now. It also helps bring in revenue, which is always a good thing for both a business and its customer base.Quote:Pretty much the trend this sets is that if irl money can be equated to things earned in game, the game loses all of its integrity. There is no point in actually playing the game if you can simply purchase everything. Now, I'm all for selling costumes, non combat pets, rocket slides, and all those other little trinkets that don't alter game performance. When it comes to this, though, I am not comfortable. -
Quote:We are ultimately on the same page here.Originally Posted by Dispari
Speaking as someone who uses the systems you're talking about in order to obtain the things they just put in the store, I'd see it as an improvement for certain people who have money they feel they can part with if they can acquire the things they want in order to go back to actually playing the content they'd rather be running.
I get Kinetic Combats and LotGs so I can excel at high end content, TFs, trials, farming, or whatever. I don't get them so I can be better at speeding through alignment tips. People don't run that stuff for the "actual content" if they're doing it for the rewards. They're doing it for the rewards. If they'd rather spend money than time to get those rewards, I don't see that as a problem.
Will I buy these items? Probably not. For one it's not that hard to obtain them and I already have a bunch of all of them. Two, I don't have enough money that I'd want to just throw it at that stuff. But even if I did buy them, it wouldn't be but for maybe one character. And I'd do it to improve her performance when exemped.
And I'd do it so I could go back to doing what I'd rather be doing instead of grinding alignment tips. "Actual content" won't be destroyed. If anything I could return to the actual content sooner. Calling the race to get Alignment Merits through tips "actual content" already makes me laugh. I already do everything I can to avoid playing them. I drop missions and stealth to the end. And since the SSAs come out, I just do those for Alignment Merits instead. Nothing of value would be lost by allowing people who don't want to do something the chance to not have to do it -- if they have enough money that is.
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Quote:If you believe that powerleveling, farming, exploiting, influence buying and all of the other things people do to work the Invention system instead of play the game as intended are good things, then yes, it's a "crucial pillar" of this game.Originally Posted by bloodyboots
Isn't the whole point of a video game is that it's NOT life? If I want "life" l can step outside my door. At any rate, we are a long way from everything being purchasable on the market. But I still think that selling enhancements on the Paragon Market sets a bad precedent. Most of the stuff on the market I could care less about, but the invention system is a crucial pillar of the game system. If it becomes, more and more, an element of the Paragon store, I think the long-term impacts are going to negative, both for the community and the company. It has nothing to do with me "keeping up", and everything to do with wanting the game system to remain meaningful.
IOs are optional, not required to play his game and shouldn't be so tedious or time-consuming to get a hold of at this stage. If they're optional (as the Devs have said many times), then it does not matter if they sell them in the store, in fact, in a game this alt oriented, being able to buy them is just another character slotting option.
With the inevitable "pay to win" nonsense that seems to have more heads than the Hydra, The only time being able to buy IOs in the store EVER matters would be in PvP and, having been around that for the better part of half a year now, I assure you that the hardcore "PvPers" would:
A) Not care at all.
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Quote:You've been waiting for that post since this one was made, no doubt.Originally Posted by Zwillinger
This is me being surprised that Myrmydon posted this.
If you're taking requests, Eradication being next on the list would be nice.