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In Order to save people a trip: (copied from the posted site)


Team Tournament: St. Martial Golden Giza Arena
-16 teams maximum
-2 players per team
-Pre-registration required for both team members
-Teammates must be different AT's
-Villains only at this event
-15 Million Infamy entry fee per participant (not per team), please mail to @Venam99 or @Decepticreep ASAP
-Single elimination format, losing teams from semi-finals will fight for 3rd place
-Arena Options: Map: Atlas Park
10 minute time limit (highest kill count wins)
Sudden death round will be malefactor to level 40 with a 5 minute time limit
No Inspirations (can be checked and confirmed in "more options")
Arena temp powers are legal
All other options "unchecked" in "more options"
This will basically mean that it will be standard PvP rules without inspirations or
non-arena temp powers.
If rules and options are not followed, all players are to exit the event immediately and
restart. All players are able to check arena options before the fight begins, and are
encouraged to do so. If an event is completed, the results will stand.
-Rewards will be based on final standings, and are given per player, not per team
1st place: PvP IO + 25 Million Inf
2nd place: Purple IO + 25 Million Inf
3rd place: Rare IO (i.e:LotG +rech, Numina +regen/recov) + 25 Million Inf
4th place: IO + 25 Million Inf
All teams winning their first match will be reimbursed their entry fee of 15 Million
Teams that do not win in the first round are eliminated and do not receive a reward
Bonus round for 1st place: KILL DA WABBIT!!!
NOTE: IO's given as rewards will be selected by the winning players from a list based on availability.
Availability will vary, and there may or may not be duplicates. The infamy rewards for 1st through
4th place are not cumulative with the rewards for winning in the first round.
-Please read the arena forums on this site for basic Strikeforce Infinity tournament rules and
registration/event entry information.
-Please direct all questions, suggestions, or complaints to Decepticreep VIA WEBSITE MAIL OR ON FORUMS
-Registration is open as of April 28th. Some slots are already filled and we are waiting for registration as the tournament was planned before this site was ready. Approval of players who haven't already reserved spots will begin ASAP, so if you plan on entering, go ahead and sign up now. One team member should send an on site email to Decepticreep to state who you will be teamed with. Both members must be registered on this site. Alternates may or may not be available on the day of the tournament in case of absence, disconnects, etc. If you do not have a partner then please post a reply under "May 15th" on the arena forums. Registration will close as soon as all spots are filled (after all confirmed, only alternates allowed)

Have fun with your tournie, I hope your spandex is flame-retardent.

According to The Prophet, it very well could go to the Americans...

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=112726

Dahjee, believe it or not I agree. PVP SHOULD be like that. It should include a wide array of builds and ATS in a team or zone setting that can be effective. You are saying i13 provided us with that scenario and my point is it did not. Just look at what is being played in zones and arena.

In i12 we had a much larger array of build/AT choices that were both effective AND fun to play. Now, we may have the same builds but a ton of them are NOT as effective (by a large margin) as they used to be. i13 took half of PVP success (effective and fun) out of the equation.

Hmm, yes, but we want someone to win right? If i13 PVP had been successful then the best team would be a mixed set up like you suggest. Currently the overall best team
consists of emps and blasters. A team that would easily trounce a team that you suggest.

What's the point of entering into a competitive scenario and only playing mediocre setup when you can play the best?

I guess we both know the answer although you don't seem to want to say it.

Keep in mind, you have been focusing on team play as the focus of i13. I brought up arena because nowhere will you find more dedicated research into team dynamics. PVP is about defeating your opponents.

1st paragraph: Maybe with alot of practice you'd be good on a Psi/Em. We're talking about Team arena play right? it's quite a bit different from zone play.

2nd paragraph: Such rule would limit any kills to 0 in arena resulting in ties over and over again. Believe me, you need lots of damage to get kills. Wait are we talkign i13 rules? Sudden Death is generally not accepted as winning a match. However, take that new team of no set duplication and run it against a standard jump team, guess who wins, and by alot?

I don't know why you appear not accept the fact many other people have tried a myriad of combinations (again we are talking team play right? Because you said that's what i13 is all about) in hopes of finding something that works.

Guess what? They have found what works. It's not what you accept, but if you ignore what has been done before you came along then you are doomed to numerous trips to respawn points over and over. That's why you've been getting so much flack because you are preaching the opposite of what has already been determined to work well.

Dahjee, I don't know your PVP history but I can tell you the players who stayed since i13 DID start over. While zone tends to be a mix/mash of builds and ATs, arena has always been the focus for team-oriented play and plenty of research has been done on different builds/AT combinations and research continues to be done daily. The lack of diversity in builds/ATs is the way it is BECAUSE of research and experimentation not for lack of it.

You seem to think no one has tried anything else. You are just wrong if that's what you believe.

Louie Kaboom, some traps (?) corr who mostly drones (not that there is anything wrong with that.)

Dahjee, I don't see how you can believe this. Before i13, buffers, healers, debuffers all had regular roles to fill in PVP (in both zone and arena.) Now? Everything healers, buffers and debuffers do is all DR'd to near uselessness.

There is a reason you see 10:1 (probably a little high but not far off) ratios of scrappers, tanks and blasters heroside to everything else and 10:1 stalkers to everything else villside. How in the world did the devs accomplish the task of including more builds and roles in PVP with i13? Clearly it has failed miserably simply by looking at what is played.

Look, I commend you for trying toons that are not your typical PVP beast-type toons, but ultimately the proof is in the pudding. Players play what works with plenty of evidence to be found by "/whoall." In i12 there were plenty more builds that were viable and effective than you'll find today. It has nothing to do with brainwashing and everything to do with effectiveness. Players are not going to play toons they are consistently destroyed on. It's no fun.

i13 has failed, and if the devs truly want to include more builds/ATs in PVP then they need to find a happy medium between i13 and i12. They could start by getting rid of global resists, diminishing returns, and travel suppresion (oh wait that's pretty much all of i13.)

Please note the players you mentioned are only better at being jerks when jerks show themselves. If you actually knew Con and/or Barrier (I don't really know Max) you'd realize they only trash talk loud mouthy players who start spewing off in the first place.

If a player asks for help with a build or PVP tactics then these guys would be the first to jump in and offer helpful advice/guidance and they'd be spot on with their tips.

They don't start the trash talk, they're just better at doing it.

Hmm, that's weird! I don't see your PVP fixes on there either.

Indeed! Has ClawsandEffect posted in that thread yet? If not then that thread is not complete.

...and the PVP community reels from shock.

Match 1 and Match 3. Ow.

My butt still hurts...

How do you know what they think? The fact is, you don't know what they think. It's what YOU think. We don't know what they think because they rarely communicate with the PVP community. Note: this has always been the case, before and after i13.

That change took place before i13 but yes it was reversed.

Xury2 is incorrect.

You have a chance of getting a recipe every rep-kill. Once you get a rep-kill on a player you can not get another rep-kill off that player for another five minutes. The rep-kill timer does not reset if you kill the same player before the 5 minutes is up. So no matter how many times you kill the same player you will not get any more rep until at least five minutes has passed.

If you get a recipe then you are not elligible to receive another recipe for ten minutes regardless of any rep-kills.

In arena you do not get rep but there is still a five minute timer between kills on a player before you are elligible for another recipe drop and the ten minute rule also applies should you get a recipe.

My explanation may not be all that clear but I think I made sense...

To add to what Mac said, the remaining PVPers CONTINUE to have well-reasoned threads with potential fixes for the CURRENT system as well, and the devs CONTINUE to leave PVP bugs and i13-style PVP rules as they are.

There are powers that are just broken in PVP and they continue to stay broken. The market has a stacking bug and it's brought down as soon as it's discovered. Some PVP bugs have been in place for more than a year or more. Clearly the devs have made it obvious PVP is way, way, way, way back on the very backmost back burner.

It's not even a matter of these suggestions and fixes falling on deaf ears. The devs have respec'd ears out of their builds when it comes to PVP. It's understandable that's going to drive some players (SOME) to throw mud in the devs direction.

By playerbase I meant PVP playerbase, and yes it was a huge chunk of the PVP playerbase, but luckily for the devs the PVP playerbase was small to begin with. Thought I was clear in that, but I guess not.

Dude, you do realize a huge chunk of the PVP playerbase provided plenty (and I MEAN plenty) of well thought out ideas and suggestions on how to improve PVP. The devs response was i13 which sent a likewise huge chunk of the playerbase to other games. The players who stayed have continued to voice their concerns in constructive suggestions about how to address the problems and the devs have continued (for the most part) to ignore those suggestions.

Luckily for the devs there is and always has been a small PVP population compared to the PVE-centric population othwerwise the devs would all be out of work.

Wow.

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Yeah the 2003 model year for something to do with traction...

We are now back to the "old system." Respawning at full HP/End was how it was in the beginning of PVP. And, sorry, using realism to support your argument in a superheo video game is not going to work.

I'm all for getting people back out into the zone as fast as possible because in the long run it will mean more recipes. In fact, this is probably the devs solution to the horrid drop rate.

In other words, what Solo said