Memphis_Bill

Nah. I'm pretty sure the book being outdated at its first printing (and the binder being another "start and abandon") put it out of business. PW being good enough and up to date constantly is a bonus.

To quote you - "Lol... what?"


So, no, having IOs slotted is not "Hoarding" them, any more than putting gas in my car and driving around is "hoarding" gas, or buying food and making dinner is "hoarding" food. Crafting a bunch of IOs and sticking them in the base just to have them around, or to speculate that the price will go up in the future and throwing them on the market? That's hoarding.

This is far more appropriate (as well as being what I try to do.) Insisting on asking and being thanked? *boot*

You want to drill "please" and "thank you" into someone, do it to your kids, not a random PUG of 10-60 year olds.

So when is the Prima guide getting updated? >.>

The problem with that statement? Who says what's reasonable? I could call every statement that doesn't agree with my viewpoint "unreasonable." Know what that means?

Jack all.

The only ones who can provide any definitive statement are the devs, and whether you or anyone else think it's "reasonable" (either objectively or "it does/doesn't agree with me,") theirs is the only one that counts. They HAVE provided a statement - that keeping 10 was, to them, generous, and they don't seem inclined to change that.

Just to grab the original statement, which I think you're misreading or reading wrong:
How is "You have been exposed to those color schemes the entire time (for 35-40 levels)" untrue, when DOs, SOs and common IOs use the same color coding for what they enhance as TOs, which you've been getting since level 1?

You cannot, barring *never* opening your Enhancements tray, never going to a store to buy or sell, and (somehow) selling all recipe drops with your eyes closed, have *not* been exposed to the color coding.

And again, even if you're unsure, the definition of what it is is a right click away. If someone has trouble remembering it, the info's still available.

But, like I *also* said, throwing tabs or some such in those "omnistores" to break them down by origin or whatnot, or filtering out levels you don't need, I wouldn't have an issue with. That is a long list.

PM sent, btw.

Which statements?
That you've been exposed to the same color system since level 1? You have been. Even if you completely ignore the stores, you get drops of both enhancements and IO recipes (which, for basic IOs, follow the same coding.)
That there are only a very few shops that carry all five origins? This is also true.
That the origin is coded by the ring around them? They are.
That the level is on the enhancement? It is.
That if you have any question, you can right click and find out about the enhancement? You can.

So, which statement is incorrect?

Now, if you'd just come out and said, oh, "You know, for these all-origin shops, having filters or tabs for each origin would make using them easier" or something similar, no problem. The list gets long. But that's not how your OP read, and I gave you information directly replying to the "problems" you have.

Hmmm.... Go to Corruptors or Defenders, then. Dark Miasma/Energy, likely, though most blast types would work given how it's recolored.

Mind/Energy Dominator, Concealment pool. And if you want to be heroic, just wait for GR.

Irrelevant. How do you "reduce power" on memorization?

Again, no origin locking, thanks. (FWIW, I don't particularly agree with the staff or blackwand having reduced power - as opposed to, say, the Ghost slaying axe, which makes sense to have more damage vs an enemy type - but it's so minor in the overall scheme of things it's ignorable.)

... for example, from earlier. Counter: Technomage concept. Their "science" explains magic and can harness it. It shouldn't be weaker. It shouldn't be locked out.

All my characters can use it regardless of origin. Note those last three words, which are the relevant bits to the discussion.

The only shops that carry "every origin type" of Enhancement are Ghost Falcon, RWZ, Cim (I believe) and the Elite Quartermaster.

All enhancements are coded by color. By the time you hit 35-40, you've been exposed to them that entire time. You should have an idea. Even if you don't, you can right click and get info.

All enhancements origin are coded by the ring around them. Again, you'll have been exposed to them for at *least* 20 levels (DOs) by the time you hit an all origin shop, and you can right click and get it.

And level? .....


Really?


You do notice the numbers on them, right?

Way to skip the rest of the post. Point missed quite impressively.

Yes and no.

Yes in that those who want to min/max could pick the origin that fits their numeric desires best. (Looking at your mutant example there.) No in that those who want a complete character - not just "a powerset," or "great slotting," but that have a backstory that the origin fits perfectly with are *still* locked out of choices, or are having the game/devs make assumptions that just aren't going to be true.

Plus, and I have very little to back this up, I'm not honestly sure that Origin *can* be changed. It's one of four things the devs say define a character - AT, Primary, Secondary, and Origin. I'm thinking that Origin is buried so deeply in the foundation of a character's "record," thanks to how things were in Alpha (where it really did mean something) that it's non-changeability is a leftover from there, that it may break more than we think to have it changeable. If that's *not* the case, I wouldn't mind being able to change an origin.

I don't mind "themed" powers - My magic characters have no problem using a Tech jetpack to get around. It's convenient. My Science characters will whip out a Blackwand, and use the wings their people have naturally to fly. My Natural characters have no issues using Tech costume bits to "assist" them (say, Piston or Rocket boots.)

But none of those restrict them in any way. None of them lock the characters out of any other choices. That *restriction* is my biggest issue whenever something like this gets brought up.

Theme the powers. Go nuts. Just don't lock them in and add restrictions based on origin.

Except for those locked out by a choice made years ago, a choice that cannot be changed, and was made with the understanding that it meant nothing. Why should my Science character be locked out of a pet that Magic gets? I have Sci/Tech Demon Masterminds, for instance. The pet would fit in perfectly - since, after all, these are the MM's "inventions" given a shape, not because they're demons but because people are scared of demon-looking things. In actuality, they're constructs.

Why should my Magic user, a generally intelligent individual, not be able to memorize how to poison a knife and throw it? It's not like building a car from scratch - but from not being Natural, that's locked out.

Plus the choices are making a lot of assumptions, as pointed out before.

No origin-restricted anything, thanks.

There's no offense, and the magic was just the easiest one to illustrate the problem with tying this sort of thing to origin. It comes up with people saying we should have animations tied to origin, or costume pieces tied to origin - it makes a *lot* of assumptions that just aren't true, *and* it ties them to an unchangeable choice made at character creation.

I get that existing characters would get it. That's not the problem - that in and of itself (adding something) is as big an "issue" as APPs/PPPs having five instead of four choices. The difference between the two is that APPs and PPPs you can respec out of. You know they're power pools, you know you can change them (and with PPPs, we were given flexibility finally *to* alter them.) With Origin? You're suddenly adding in to a choice you can't change, one that was essentially set up as an "RP, throwaway if you don't care" choice - and I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but a choice that could have been made over six years ago.

If you want to switch some of them to a "themed" power pool - say "Artifacts" for "magic doodads," it's one thing. Just don't tie them to origins.

Strawman.

There's good growth and evolution, and bad growth and evolution. Your examples? C'mon, really? Someone picking a new powerset (psi blasters, rad blasters, etc.) does not affect every blaster, or everyone who had the same origin. Sure, some people will want to reroll a character because it fits better - but it doesn't change every single blaster out there because of a throwaway choice they made 6 years ago.

IOs do not change every single character out there, or make assumptions about every single character out there as a change to having origins "do something" would. They don't, just by virtue of existing, make a preexisting AR blaster suddenly more powerful *by default* than a Fire blaster, or change the options a Fire blaster has.

Having Origin mean something now would be like having which starting zone/contact you picked suddenly change your options. Would you be annoyed if you were locked out of something that actually affects your character because you picked Atlas instead of Galaxy to start a character six years ago? Or because you chose to start with Kalinda instead of Burke? (Yes, in Praetoria, from what we know, there are going to be some other options, but that information by contrast will be given *from the beginning.*)

/this. Honestly, pretty much Sam's entire post. And, as I seem to have to say with every single "make origins mean more" post, you're assuming a hell of a lot. For instance:

Almost none of my Magic origin characters do. Maybe my MMs, in some ways. But I've got the descendants of a goddess's warrior-priestesses who "inherit" their powers from her, I have magically created characters (they exist solely because they were created for some purpose via magic,) magic "powered" mechanical heroes, etc. None have a "pet," none have a "familiar," none have, want, or need charms, wands, etc.

I have a Natural spines/inv scrapper. What use does he have for a blade or gun, when he has them popping out of his skin like the rest of his people do?

Why should Mutation get some sort of a buff? If your Mutation suggestion got implemented, what would happen is a month of PLing as farmers, PVPers, and others who want to min-max got new characters (rolled with Mutation origin) up, and a lot of angry people who have 6 year old favourite characters feeling screwed over.

Origin has meant nothing for six years. Leave it be.

These two.

Only thing I can really add is, don't forget your dual builds. If you run a team and a solo build, you're going to have a LOT of flexibility going in your solo build - Thermal's great if you have a "concept" you would want to fit odd powers or more pool powers in with, as you can skip a heal, the rez, pretty much everything but the healing aura through to your level 35 debuff. Add fighting, add leadership, add something like the fears from Presence if you want to - you'll have room to do it, while still having a full or nearly full primary.

Given it fits right in with so many of the regular posts, how is anyone who - by your own admission - doesn't know the person going to be able to tell "he's joking?" I can, quite frankly, probably pull up several similar - and serious - posts without much effort.

Text based medium. No body language. No vocal inflections. With nothing else to go by, yes, the post needs to be taken at face value.