Memphis_Bill

You know what they say about assuming, correct?

I'm the one who, for instance, LIKED having full strength Voids and Quantums. So don't ASSume that I'm complaining about difficulty. I *liked* taking Trapdoor - who had others complaining about difficulty - down on a g-damn GRAV KIN on SOs.

I DISLIKE the whole "raid for gear to raid for gear" crap. You can't grasp how this is different from "well, you get merits you can use for IOs for Khan, too!" Yeah, well, I can also run Khan perfectly fine on SOs. I don't NEED IOs for Khan. Khan isn't balanced with the idea that you'll end up with an IOd out build. Khan isn't designed with the idea that you'll rerun it over and over and over and over and over and over and over to unlock those IOs, then churn it some MORE to get merits to make it reasonable.

I can run Khan on pretty much any character with *anything* slotted and have an enjoyable time. I don't go into Khan "expecting to fail so I can get stuff to do better next time."

Just looking at my 50s - the only ones who can run this content - I have 24 of them. I have to have a decent (and full, if last night's runs had anything to say about it) team to have a chance at doing anything but failing. I have to run it four times (given the "incarnate XP") to unlock ONE slot, four more for the other, then hope I've managed to "win" at some point to not have to grind *even more* for components - and if I need a level shift, I either have to have more INF on *each* of them than most have for a single uncommon COMPONENT, or hope that maybe a team will succeed to save that. Four times each. Eight times for one tree, then eight times (with different salvage, of course) for the OTHER tree, then if I'm short "threads," grind some more.

And as I've said elsewhere - I'd ignore this, but given the Dev comments ("Hmm, what could be COMING that would have the well worried?") it sounds like I'll need to grind through this nonsense to see the *future* content evolving the game lore.

You don't like me complaining, tough. I don't like where all this is pointing,and I don't like the design. We haven't HAD to grind with an "expect to fail until you get the stuff to do this" mentality before. We haven't had a "Well, once you have THESE IOs you can win" before.

People complained about trapdoor out of being tough - I didn't. I soloed him on SOs. I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT DIFFICULTY. I *am* complaining about the formerly, thankfully missing grind for gear to raid for gear to raid for gear nonsense getting added to this game.

Edit:

Also in a non-Khan fashion - how about "Well, there's a part of the encounter you need to get temp powers you might, MAYBE, get during the mission?" Three acids on the entire team. Since we weren't a full 12 or whatever it was, we had zero stun grenades for Marauder. That's sucktastic game design. "Oh, and fight your way to MAYBE get new ones, too."

But, hey, I shouldn't complain, that's just *wonderful* design. Here, let me hoover up to a dev for it.

Is this the first time I've seen it?

No.

Have I not liked it since beta?

Yes.

Raid for gear to raid for gear. Khan isn't designed with the idea - as said many times in global and in the trial I was in - that you'll be IOd out.

Welcome to the treadmill.

"Everyone needs to stop complaining."

Right. The definition of which, from what I'm getting, would be "Don't complain about the way they've started coping the "Grind for gear to raid to get gear to raid" crap I dislike in other MMOs. Yep. I should just shut up or attach my lips as firmly to the devs ***** as, say, Golden Girl does.

Right. And that's the exact same reason people are complaining. Because you have to fail at Khan over and over to "build up strength" or whatever until you can defeat Khan...

Wait, you don't?

Hmmm....

Glad to see the forum owner is stepping in and telling everyone how to think.

Oh, wait.

This is not a good thing, IMHO.

Really? We needed ITF rewards to really stand a chance at completing the ITF before? "Oh, just get a level shift!" Yeah... so it's no longer "Hey, let's be alt friendly." Bravo.

We have not "tread the same road before." This is more BS "Raid to get rewards to raid" that WoW and the like do - part of the reason I avoid those to begin with.

My experiences with this crap last night (and looking at the costs if you *don't* raid-to-get-crap-to-raid) has me thinking I should just ignore the system all together... oh, wait, it's hinted that this is because of the "Coming Storm." Hmmm. Wonder what we'll probably need to do *jack* against it, and/or actually see any of that content...

/me wonders if I'm supposed to be Alliance or Horde in this game.

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To unlock A slot. Then work on a second one. Then grind away on the OTHER tree. Then grind away for more threads/coins/buttons/whatever the hell else they've come up on.

Then you get to do it all over again on any OTHER character you might want the slot on. (Y'know, on this formerly alt-centered game.)

That's the very definition of grind. Yes, I did run on one last night. 27% into one slot. So one tree, two slots = 8 runs. 16, if the other side's similar. For one character. If I just want one fifty on each server I have a 50 *on* to unlock that, not even "all my 50s," that's a good 40 runs through.

I don't do that with ITFs. I have this funny thing about actually liking to run a *variety* of content.

Oh, wait, that's right. You can convert... with idiotic INF costs.

/golfclap for the devs.

No, running the same crap over and over and over again = grinding. Which is precisely what this is.




I remember when we had a great deal of effort put into new zones, storylines to go through, etc. I guess the devs looked at all the speed runners and decided that's what they wanted to focus on. It's a shame, really. Though I guess it makes future writing easy. "Kill stuff, then come back and do it again."

Careful. You criticize the Holy End Game Trials and corresponding Reward/Advancement System. You know not what this may bring.

Though it'll probably be less painful than what it sounds like you went through on that trial.

Issue 21 will introduce Incarnate Chips, Incarnate Dip, and Incarnate Nuggets. These can be combined, cross-trained, demoted, depressed, repressed, reworked, folded, mutilated and spindled into each other at random costs, or can be combined like an Incarnate Voltron into Delirium Merits, good for breaking down (at a 5:1 ratio with a 300,000,000 INF fee) into a single Incarnate Button, which can be turned in for a half price tailor session.

Silly question - have you gone to the various manufacturers websites and gotten more current drivers before upgrading?

Probably bEcause yoU reaD It aNd puT empHasis On tHe caPitalized letTer likE I Do, aNd yeS, I finD It aNnoying, toO.

Haven't fiddled with that for a while - and not with the new launcher at all, come to think of it. Still have to mess with my Mint 10 partition to find out what's keeping COH from actually launching. ("Loading" is all well and good. It's better if it actually gets to the login screen!)

Er... a few things.

1. Unbound Nictus die because they're weakened by traveling through the Cysts. Without a host, they perish. Has nothing to do with the Earth's atmosphere being toxic.

2. Yes, they can indeed take an involuntary host. A strong willed host can deny them (or push them out,) but they can take over - it's one of the things that separates Warshades from Nictus (refusing to do this.) The Council does (or did) keep weakened prisoners available as temporary "hosts" to Nictus coming through cysts until they could regain their strength. In addition, in the Kheldian arcs, one of the arcs revolves around you stopping a machine which - essentially - adds power to the process, forcing the Nictus en masse into various political leaders. The Peacebringers retrieved a list of these targets, presented themselves to those leaders and basically waited inside in ambush, stopping the Nictus when they arrived.

*points at Kheldian backstory guide.* I tend to dig into these sorts of things.

Disagreements over the china pattern.

Right. That's why there are guides up, PVP bootcamps being offered and the like. To keep people from joining and coming back from it.

Oh, wait, that sounds more like PVPers trying to *encourage* others to try it. And yet... people still aren't in the arenas or zones on anything close to a regular basis.

The more you post, the more clueless you make yourself look.

Funny how you refuse to answer what I've put to you TWICE now, instead whining about "whining."

People play "bad" sets, "poor" powersets and the like regardless of what people on the boards say. Again, it's been two and a quarter years. IF THE CHANGES WERE GOOD, PEOPLE WOULD BE PVPING no matter what the "old guard" says. People don't ask permission of the "Pre-I13 PVPers" to enter the arena or zones. If they want to, they do it.

Yet nobody's there.

Thanks for speaking for everyone. I'm sure the rest of the game appreciates it. When did you become psychic again?

You don't, as I recall. (Yes, it has been that long since I've failed it, but I seem to recall still getting the completion.)

Honestly, I prefer doing that mission solo or as a duo. You have time before the first group starts making its way to the henge. Clean out around the henge. You'll also find they only take one or two paths there - you'll find yourself, eventually, stopping whatever's running to it, then killing other stuff just to kill time.

They're either running from the barn (near where you came in) along the copse of trees to the henge, or running (much more rarely) on the far left. *Any* damage you do to them gets them to stop and face you for a while, so on lower damage characters I tend to just rotate through the (solo/duo) 2-5 enemies, doing a bit of damage at a time. Control helps. Taunt actually doesn't, as much - they seem (from memory) to be resistant to it, somewhat.

... heck, with side switching, you could probably leave a mastermind sitting there watching both entrances and have one other person cleaning up other spawns.

If you're doing a larger team, two watching one entrance, two watching the other, send the rest out to clean up spawns (and come back if needed.) They come slowly enough you should be able to have the four guarding be able to clean up and go back to watch in between the runner groups. But, again, I prefer smaller teams or soloing it.