MaxPowerz_EU

Dammit, my 1000th post was suppose to be saying how great EVIL is. Instead I mentioned which server to go on

Just a quick reminder, base raid against the horde tonight.

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I really don't know where this feeling that it's not worth fighting heroes as they have a much easier time of it really comes from?

When I walk into any of the PvP zones with my hero, his accolades are disabled. The extra 10 levels in CoH are irrelevant as the auto exemp systems are in place, HO's are completely irrelevant as Hammi has only been defeated on Union a handful of times so you'll find VERY few hereos with even a single HO, let alone two.

CoH did have access to the arena a few months before CoV was released but I don't see how that should make them so much better. All findings prior to CoV being launched have been well publicised on forums and the info on what works and what doesn't is easy for anyone to find.

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Firstly i never said its not worth fighting heros. All I was saying is you have based your defeats on fighting some top CoH sgs such as Art of War. Now I expect them to beat alot of Coh sgs too so saying that Vgs are not good enough is miss skewed.

You find having the extra enhancements does make a big difference. How does having arena afew months earlier help. It dont really. However, CoH has been out a long time and so people know the characters and ATs very well. That is a huge advantage to have as tactics and teamwork are alot more higher.

Having the information and actually being able to use it well are entirely different. There are alot more skilled people on CoH then CoV. This is largely down to experience in my opinion. Most of the Pvpers have been playing the game along time. Alot of the pvpers on villains are new to the game and thus dont know many of the tricks of the trade so to speak.

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With regards to our recent defeats, you seem to have misinterpreted. We learned a hell of a lot from facing SG's, certainly more than we've learned from any of the VG's we've faced and it's for exactly this reason I'm trying to get this off the ground. How people on CoV expect to learn from beating the same minority of players over and over again, I really don't know. Those who have become dissillusioned with it have not given up PvP on the back of these defeats, we've just given up PvP with our mixed PvP/PvE VG and decided that a PvP only VG is the way we're going to really learn.


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Now when I faced Art of War (completey massacrered) I cant say I honestly learnt alot. Apart from the very basics that is i.e. being alot more organised etc. I rather have moderate lessons and feel like we are getting somewhere then rather heavy defeats. Yes you may learn more (dont know what) but I rather have a higher morale and the fun of actually having a close raid with someone.

When you say you cant learn much from facing the same minority of players you are wrong. If they are perhaps not learning themselves then yes. However, thats not the case. Im sure they will be adapting and trying other things out. Besides I dont agree with ya on that point of facing the same ppl. In all our raids we've not faced the same sg. Also like you mentioned before, most sgs are mixed. Thus fighting these mixed raids seem alot more fun and forgiving and can potentially lead to people that are not interested in pvp to realising how much fun there is to be had and converting.

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If we wanted to become known as good PvP'ers my whole VG could have gone the easy route and done one fo two things, only PvP within CoV or all just respec our lvl 50 Heroes for PvP and use them. We've chosen to actually do something completely different and try to get a CoV PvP VG capable of working together and giving CoH a run for it's money.

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I dont think any of them would be the easy route. You seem to make huge assumptions on the state of villain pvp which I dont agree with personally. I know there are alot of talented people having taking up the good fight and teamed with them in sirens call. However, yes its all very fragmented with them belonging to different sgs. I also like to add you could respec your 50's but that wont make you good. You play against the French on the test server and you will face some harsh realities.

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Maybe I have too much faith in people but I really expected the main PvP groups on CoV to be interested in this and want to help but all i've found is members of those VG's making comments on how it's going to fail, using the posts to push their own VG's on ego trips and make excuses as to why it will never work. The words 'comofrot zone' spring to mind.

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Im sorry you feel this way. One of the problems is alot of the pvp builds u want are already established in the sg. For example I have two - a thermal corruptor and a mean [censored] stalker. Now I wouldnt take them out of my sg and I am sure thats the same with others.

Personally I dont think its gonna fail and would be interested in perhaps rolling a toon up to join it. However, I still can see some issues with it. Having loads of ppl from Art of War (and others) is all very nice and good but this is one of the Sgs you want to be challenging. Thus when it comes to a raid you will lose alot of ppl (as they belong to Art of War).

Also the lack of support can also be due to lack of knowledge. Many people dont use the boards and I have not seen one discussioon on union leaders! Your idea(s) is not really reaching anyone but those that read the forum and those that it pose a threat to.

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I really don't know where this feeling that it's not worth fighting heroes as they have a much easier time of it really comes from?

When I walk into any of the PvP zones with my hero, his accolades are disabled. The extra 10 levels in CoH are irrelevant as the auto exemp systems are in place, HO's are completely irrelevant as Hammi has only been defeated on Union a handful of times so you'll find VERY few hereos with even a single HO, let alone two.

CoH did have access to the arena a few months before CoV was released but I don't see how that should make them so much better. All findings prior to CoV being launched have been well publicised on forums and the info on what works and what doesn't is easy for anyone to find.

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Firstly i never said its not worth fighting heros. All I was saying is you have based your defeats on fighting some top CoH sgs such as Art of War. Now I expect them to beat alot of Coh sgs too so saying that Vgs are not good enough is miss skewed.

You find having the extra enhancements does make a big difference. How does having arena afew months earlier help. It dont really. However, CoH has been out a long time and so people know the characters and ATs very well. That is a huge advantage to have as tactics and teamwork are alot more higher.

Having the information and actually being able to use it well are entirely different. There are alot more skilled people on CoH then CoV. This is largely down to experience in my opinion. Most of the Pvpers have been playing the game along time. Alot of the pvpers on villains are new to the game and thus dont know many of the tricks of the trade so to speak.

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With regards to our recent defeats, you seem to have misinterpreted. We learned a hell of a lot from facing SG's, certainly more than we've learned from any of the VG's we've faced and it's for exactly this reason I'm trying to get this off the ground. How people on CoV expect to learn from beating the same minority of players over and over again, I really don't know. Those who have become dissillusioned with it have not given up PvP on the back of these defeats, we've just given up PvP with our mixed PvP/PvE VG and decided that a PvP only VG is the way we're going to really learn.


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Now when I faced Art of War (completey massacrered) I cant say I honestly learnt alot. Apart from the very basics that is i.e. being alot more organised etc. I rather have moderate lessons and feel like we are getting somewhere then rather heavy defeats. Yes you may learn more (dont know what) but I rather have a higher morale and the fun of actually having a close raid with someone.

When you say you cant learn much from facing the same minority of players you are wrong. If they are perhaps not learning themselves then yes. However, thats not the case. Im sure they will be adapting and trying other things out. Besides I dont agree with ya on that point of facing the same ppl. In all our raids we've not faced the same sg. Also like you mentioned before, most sgs are mixed. Thus fighting these mixed raids seem alot more fun and forgiving and can potentially lead to people that are not interested in pvp to realising how much fun there is to be had and converting.

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If we wanted to become known as good PvP'ers my whole VG could have gone the easy route and done one fo two things, only PvP within CoV or all just respec our lvl 50 Heroes for PvP and use them. We've chosen to actually do something completely different and try to get a CoV PvP VG capable of working together and giving CoH a run for it's money.

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I dont think any of them would be the easy route. You seem to make huge assumptions on the state of villain pvp which I dont agree with personally. I know there are alot of talented people having taking up the good fight and teamed with them in sirens call. However, yes its all very fragmented with them belonging to different sgs. I also like to add you could respec your 50's but that wont make you good. You play against the French on the test server and you will face some harsh realities.

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Maybe I have too much faith in people but I really expected the main PvP groups on CoV to be interested in this and want to help but all i've found is members of those VG's making comments on how it's going to fail, using the posts to push their own VG's on ego trips and make excuses as to why it will never work. The words 'comofrot zone' spring to mind.

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Im sorry you feel this way. One of the problems is alot of the pvp builds u want are already established in the sg. For example I have two - a thermal corruptor and a mean [censored] stalker. Now I wouldnt take them out of my sg and I am sure thats the same with others.

Personally I dont think its gonna fail and would be interested in perhaps rolling a toon up to join it. However, I still can see some issues with it. Having loads of ppl from Art of War (and others) is all very nice and good but this is one of the Sgs you want to be challenging. Thus when it comes to a raid you will lose alot of ppl (as they belong to Art of War).

Also the lack of support can also be due to lack of knowledge. Many people dont use the boards and I have not seen one discussioon on union leaders! Your idea(s) is not really reaching anyone but those that read the forum and those that it pose a threat to.

My dilema was do I lv up my bantemweight character to challenge for the (hopefully) next tournament. However, being lazy I have decided that I will keep him as he is to defend his title.

Def want my pic though, wonder what happened to it. Maybe if we send in all of our pictures something will happen.

Good read. Just like to make a couple of points myself.

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A lot of VG’s seem to think along the lines of ‘we have PvP players and do very well’. As opposed to looking at it and seeing how we are actually underachieving compared to CoH and the other servers.

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Where to start with this. Like tough guy said, the heros have a MASSIVE advantage. All the extra levls (enhancements) and accolades really add up. And besides I only know of a couple of hero sgs's that are pvp inclined. The truth of the matter is in CoV we are learning. In CoH most of that has already been done and people are able to create superheros whose builds make them rock in pvp.

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I’ll end here and just leave you with a few points

- We’ve had NO success with VG’s in the international PvP nights running on the test servers
- We’ve had little success OVERALL against CoH in terms of raids and SG/VG arena battles
- We have had success in small team battles and one on ones but until we get organised as a server, I think that’ll be it and looking at the way the French SG’s and Defiant SG’s are performing by working as communities, I think it will stay that way.

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These points are fairly flawed in my eyes. As far as im aware there hasnt been a villain team for international pvp nights. The fights take place at heavyweight and thus villains cant take part.

We've had little success against the top CoH sgs in base raids. Perhaps before challenging some of the very top hero sgs we need to take on some of the moderate ones to get a more balanced persepective.

I have no idea what the French and Defiant servers are doing. Not to sure where you get that opinion of them working as communities and thus being better.

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One of the most shocking things I heard recently was one VG leader actually saying he would not PvP against VG X because they didn't want to get beaten! Surely this is the complete oppostie of what PvP is about?

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Nope! Whats the point of starting a battle you know you lose. Now you have done exactly that and dont seem to have benefited. As you put it:

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interest in raids has plummeted for my VG with no one really interested due to recent raids.

Basically we've had 3 or 4 in a row against dedicated PvP SG's and everyone is sick of spening their time chain held by trollers or thrown all over the shop by storm defenders.

The end result is that people are so disillusioned that I think we'll need to leave it a while before trying to arrange another one.

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I see little advantage of fighting a sg/vg when you know you wont learn anything new and the end result is a bitter taste in the mouth and possibly a side serving of debt.

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how did the base raid go anyway?

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It was a no show

However, we now have a slightly better base - was hoping for raid to test afew things out. Thus we now have a base raid against the horde, 8 pm Gmt. Hopefully be enough of us on - this be there first raid (and our first raid for quite awhile).

I dont think would have been a great raid anyway due to us having so few on anyway. Damn you people with lives

Grats dude!

I done awful then, wasnt on any team with the final ding.

Well looks like another hero is leaving for another mmorp. I believe he has around 20 days left on his account. Just thought I start off a post saying goodbye and perhaps organising a sending off.

Anyone got any ideas or things they would like to do to give him a proper sending off?

I dont see any real probs with it. I guess I have been really lucky if alot of people feel this way. Most of the teams I have been in have been good (you occaisionly get your bad one).

I rarely ever solo so will join pick up teams if get a tell (and sometimes if its blind although last few blind invites have been people well below my level).

Often the people I team with I team up with them again. Normally if they have been fun/good they get added to my buddy list and you start to get a mini network of team buddies. Thus when come online normally get an invite to a team fairly quickly. I think having belonging to a good sg also influences that due to being able to join your sg mates or your coalition buddies.

All i say was today it was packed

Mate went up from 0 rep to over 80! Lots of fun and didnt see no griefing complaining which was a nice surprise. Everyone took it in the spirit of things and not one side dominated. Doesnt often happen but tonight was really a great nite.

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Sounds good, I take it there will be a majority of Stalkers?

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Probably not, surprisingly. What I've found is that while stalkers were having the word NERF shouted at them in PvP from day one, it's happening a lot less now and they're becoming less and less effective.

They are a one trick pony and once you know that trick, it's easy to counteract. Give me some ice doms to lay ice patch down and stop the stalker getting close or a couple of members with Tactics pool to increase perception anytime!

TBH, I expect MM's and Stalkers to be the most under represented AT's in a pure PvP VG.

Gravity Doms, Ice/Rad/Kin Corruptors seem to be the ones in CoV that make the difference. 2 or 3 ice corrutpors will make those melee fighter near useless as they stack the AoE slow toggles on them and leave them practising their 'Baywatch slow motion running' while the rest of the team annihilates them

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Stalkers are dead weight in base raids due to the defenses IMO also

on that note Union Kinetique reporting for duty

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I find stalkers quite useful and in capable hands a real handful. Anway moving on I feel the biggest problem you face is loyalty. Whilst I love to be part of a pure pvp sg I dont feel its really viable as I cant see many people leaving there existing sgs. I feel it be more viable when people have hit the level cap (50) and are not really needed for prestige (as well as taking up valuable space).

Anyway look forward to the chats on union leaders about plans etc.

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mayfair hasn't rubbed off on me one bit (or rubbed me off) :P

i was like this WAYYY before i met you lot

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My response to the above is no comment :P

Anyway last nites Sharkhead Strikeforce was a success. Although a couple of people had to drop due to time constraints was still able to complete it and get a nice badge as well as some nice enhancements

Last nite was very busy which was nice to see since of late it has been moderately quiet. Still on the hunt for rare salvage, looking for in particular exotic alloys and cia files. If you've got any of them give me a shout.

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We are a 4 man sg because we like being in a 4 man sg. It was formed after the Paragon Allstars died out around 7 months ago and dont want to abandon it because of the length of time it has been around.


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Im still in the legends so it still lives. Just because most ppl haven't been on for 244 + days doesnt mean its dead

Unfort not, lowest villain alt is lv 28

I suppose I could always malefactor down for afew mishs now and again.

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Think of the badges

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In all honesty, i see us redoing SF's all the time due to lack of inf

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Deffo

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Members of E.V.I.L. get a cash award scheme for being in prestige mode. Well actually they dont but if you need a hand i can lend abit your way.

I see project mayfairs influence has been rubbing off on you

Well was messing around with our base last nite ..... boy I wish there was an undo button. So anyway the best is abit different now. All I say is I think Order of Reckoning will be in for a surprise this coming sunday

Thank you for helping to improve our post count

You find that I did challenge you guys but your leader knows how powerful I am and refused to accept my 1 man challenge. Cant blame him really, you guys wouldnt have stood a chance

Anyway must say it was so quiet and to eventually create a team that was so good was great. Mucho xp for everyone (and alot more prestige for the violaters, booooooo).

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Was a good night that I thoroughly enjoyed, got too fight the french which I had heard so much about

Losing 12-9 against Frost's team, and then 21-0 against the 2nd French team. But at least we didnt do as badly as AoW

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Im pretty sure first match was 12:10

Yeah it was another enjoyable match and have now got to find my own little dream team for this pentad match next monday.

People dont appreciate enhancements enough. Slaving for them makes finally have a full set of health enhancements worth the while.

You dont need the best to play the game (it just helps makes things a little bit easier). Maybe thats why I haven't done any infamy transfers on my villains yet. I seem to get a kick out of the struggle for decent enhancements - makes the game more a challenge and thus more fun and rewarding.

Indeed it does

Slowly taking over the forum (as there are afew more EVILs about that you haven't noticed).

Want I7 sooooo much now. Ive noticed that CoV has got alot more quiet of late and it seems to be hitting our sg to. Last few times I have been on not really been more than 5 people on.

Oh and whilst Im at it Order of Reckoning have challenged us to a base raid this Sunday. For some reason the beatings we have dished out in PvP have not been enough. We have to smash them up abit harder this time and trash there base. Im hoping that most of you are able to make this sunday coming. The likely time will probably be 7 pm GMT although we have not confirmed it yet (need to make sure people prefer this to say a slightly earlier or later time).

One last thing, Dark-Pheonix is doing the 1st Strike Force this Thursday if anyones interested. I believe the time is 7.30ish. Its been awhile since done a big team so hopefully see afew of your faces. Not played the betting game for a long time (who is gonna die first - winner takes the pot). Normally got a few people trying to save the rest, alot more fun than it sounds.

At the moment ive not really planned his build (rarely ever do). All the powers look good so good - had a tough call with the choices of health, blaze, aim and havoc punch (went with blaze). I make the decisions as and when - normally tend to do alright (and if something goes wrong can always respec). Seems more fun that way

So far when using my reign of fire aka reign of aggro its not been to bad on the enemies legging it away. Note ive tried to use at every convenient opportunity and so far have now been renamed deathwish (sometimes when theres been some sort of snare but a number without). I guess I have been able to get away with it as the teams I have been in are all very experienced - most of the enemies end up dead before they have escaped and had the chance to kill me.

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So you're Frosty!

I'll get you soon



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Heehee, already got him

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Me too even though he could see me

However should be interesting when he gains afew more levels. Getting stalker hunters is probably one of a stalkers favourite kills after griefers.

Spooky - played with my old alt (blater) and actually ended up doing gaining that badge.

Dammit. Well I had a lookie and he is a mightly lv 1 Inv/Axe tank. Now I dont think I could cope with 3 of them!

Is reign of fire frowned upon? I know my blasters got that but slotting wise not sure. Ive got it 3 slotted at the mo with 2x dmg and 1 x acc (still got training enh at the mo). Im guessing slotting reign of fire with damage is probably a waste of time (due to not really doing that much).