MaxLongstreet

Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine

Panzerkunst, Not that I doubt your build but would enjoy seeing your toon in action as well as looking at the build.

MaxLongstreet, any chance you can post your build?

Originally Posted by Panzerkunst

If you need Stamina on an Elec/Elec tanker you're doing it wrong. Seriously. Once you get Power Sink, at least, so I run my second build as a 'low level TF' version that does have Stamina.

Slot end reducers into your attacks and drop the Fitness Pool. Get Tough, maybe Weave, earlier (right after Power Sink). I skipped Weave personally...too little defense for my liking when every minion with a SMG debuffs def, and Elec Armour has no def debuff resistance or defense powers of it's own to stack with (I slotted primarily for +HP and +Regen).

When my new PC gets here and I can get my files I can share my build. And if anyone doubts me about not needing Stamina, I'd be willing to demonstrate, as well.

Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age

I do not play TA so I should not give a comment.

Originally Posted by MarvelatMee

I will throw this out just for fun. I made a BS/Ele (Pandoman) and at lvl 38 he's starting to shine. Static Shield Resists TP, End Drain, snf Psionics, Lightning Reflexes plus Hasten helps the slow moving broad sword, Energize Self is a great self heal, Power Sink keeps your blue bar full which helps since BS is end heavy. With tough my S/M resist is pretty good and my Energy resist is through the roof. So far a pretty strong build.

Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper

I'm not sure why you're comparing Trick Arrow to Dark Armor

But you're missing the point. Tar Patch does -30% res and -90% run speed. Acid Arrow does -15% res and -20% def (and DM has no -def) with Disruption Arrow applying an additional -15% res. Glue Arrow inflicts the same slow effect as Tar Patch, plus -20% recharge (which DM can't do). To a single target, Entangling Arrow applies an additional -10% spd and -10% rech. Ice Arrow and Petrifying Gaze are the same... except Ice Arrow applies -10% spd and -10% rech as well. Poison Gas Arrow applies -20% damage, while Darkest Night applies -30% and Twilight Grasp applies -10%.

The long animation times in TA are it's biggest issue, because while TA's effects make it comparable to other debuff sets, TA's effects are spread out among multiple powers. The only place TA can shine with a single power is EMP Arrow, but that's almost identical to Radiation Emission's EM Pulse and it's not a power you can use every spawn.

I'm not sure why you're asking me to compare Flash Arrow (T2, an average power normally) with Fearsome Stare (T6, one of the best tohit debuff powers in the game). FA is much closer to Twilight Grasp (T1) -- in fact, they apply the same tohit debuff.

I wasn't cherrypicking with my earlier side comment. I was pointing out a quirk of Flash Arrow that is often missed when people look at the power. Flash Arrow has an unresistable -tohit. IIRC, the only unresistable -tohit available to players. Dark Miasma, lauded as the tohit debuffing set (rightly earned: on a Corruptor or Mastermind, DM has 35% tohit debuffs, plus a pet which can apply an additional 55% -- base values). A level 50 AV will resist 85% of most debuffs (including tohit), lowering DM to 5.25% (self, unslotted) and 8.25% (Dark Servant, unslotted). Flash Arrow remains 5%. With slotting, the numbers change to ~7.875% (self), ~12.375% (Dark Servant), and ~7.5% (Flash Arrow).

My point was that while Flash Arrow normally has little effect in preventing team damage (in normal gameplay, it's more useful for stealthing due to the -perception and the fact that it doesn't cause aggro), that small quirk of its design makes the single power on-par with 2 click powers and a toggle from the set known for its tohit debuffs (and two of those 3 powers in DM are tied for third-strongest -tohit powers available to players, behind Dark Servant's Chill of the Night and Dark Blast's Blackstar).

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

Except, that you still admitted that you weren't posting this to be constructive. Just saying that something should be changed is fairly useless. It's exactly like saying something like this:

"I think my car is broken. I don't care to fix it, but I just wanted you to know."

To which the only response can be: "Well, okay then."

As such, the point of your OP was just to rant. Granted, you're kindly allowing us to use your thread to point out suggestions (how nice of you), but the point of your original post was NOT to do that. Hence why your OP is useless, not this thread. Especially given the much longer thread on TA that happened very recently here, and offered a lot of good suggestions on that, and that you seem to admit that there are lots of EM threads out there, any one of which you could have posted this in, if they are as rampant as you say.

Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper

Err... TA is not like Dark Miasma at all. I wouldn't say TA is the best support set available, but it's not bad, either.

TA's biggest problems are animation times and an unreliable OSA.

(Also, worth noting: While DM is lauded as the super duper awesome -tohit set, against a lv50 AV all of DM combined is about as effective as slotted Flash Arrow)

Originally Posted by Frosticus

Maybe people have just realized that the mitigation threshold necessary to cruise through the game gets lower and lower due to IO's shoring up the value. At which point damage is the most desirable trait to seek.

In other words, I can make a fire/x troller tough enough to handle pretty much anything in the game, but I will never make an ice troller do anywhere near the damage that fire does.

Either that or forest fire season is kicking off and it is being reflected on the boards.

Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome

Because it's a way to get the attention of something over there while you're tanking stuff over here. Because Taunt + Ranged attack is a guaranteed way to hold aggro of an AV from range... something that's frequently useful (<cough> Ghost Widow). There are quite a number of foes who are much more dangerous in Melee than at range, and several that have a nasty AOE that can one-shot a scrapper that they won't use if you have aggro from range... Infernal is an example of this. Or there's the Arachnos Flier... unless your tank flies you'll be on the ground trying to hold aggro... taunt alone won't do it if you've scrappers or melee blasters on the team.

I find a use for a ranged attack nearly every room on every mission... yeah, I could use other tools to handle the job but it's a tool that works. You have a group that's scattered... jump into the biggest bunch, toss Taunt on some stragglers over there and toss a ranged attack on more stragglers elsewhere and most of the group will clump nicely around you. As a bonus most APP ranged attacks are fast animating and do decent damage so they slot nicely into your regular attack chain.

Is it absolutely necessary? No, but it's quite useful often enough to have it and it's a nice attack to boot.

Originally Posted by Finduilas

An Obliteration set is a very poor choice for Lightning Field; LF is a very high end-cost toggle and Oblit has less than 20% end reduction in 6 slots. A much better choice would be to use 3 or 4 Eradication for the E/NE bonus and then add Scirocco's Dervish Dam/End and Acc/Dam/End to finish out the slotting and give you a 10% regen bonus. If you wish, you can replace the lost S/L bonus from the Oblits by slotting 2 Rectified Reticle in Build Up.

Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome

If I can make just a couple of observations, you're really not gaining all that much from the 5th slot of Reactive Armor... you may well be better off using that slot elsewhere. I'd drop the endurance IO and leave all 4 of the resist IO's in the set. As a suggestion you could use another slot or two in Weave, and it wouldn't hurt to toss a couple more into Power Sink

I'd also change Swift for Hurdle, particularly since you're a jumper. Hurdle stacks nicely for jump speed and distance. In the same vein I'd skip the 2nd slot in Super Jump unless you want to toss a couple Blessing of the Zephyr in there; slots are more valuable elsewhere.

I don't know the Electric set well enough to offer a lot of thoughts, but I'd consider trying to move Lightning Reflexes earlier. Looking things over I think I'd probably move a few powers around to be more exemplar friendly... you're going to have a lot of trouble holding aggro below level 22... the new Positron will be tough to do with that build.

I'm not sure just how much bang for the buck you're getting with those two Hecatomb in GFS... that's a lot of inf for a 4% recovery bonus. If I were spending that kind of inf I'd either go to 5 slots of Hecatomb or not slot it at all.

I do have to disagree with MaxLongstreet about the APP... a ranged attack is a very helpful power for a tanker to have and very few secondaries provide you with one. The secondaries that do provide you with a moderately poor one at that so I always try to find at least two slots for an APP on all my tanker builds.

Anyway, I hope you've some pretty deep pockets as your build won't be cheap... unfortunately to get meaningful amounts of defense the Kinetic Combat set is your best choice as expensive as it is.