Marcian Tobay
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Quote:Try the following [ img]http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4328/loyalistsig.png[/img ] . Just remove the space between the in the first "img" tag and the last.Originally Posted by Deadedge
*grumbles* Every time I try to add the loyalist badge to my sig it fails.
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Quote:Just to clarify, I'm with Captain Photon on that one. I just tend to RP horrible, terrible people. Whether there's a "right answer" to this, villainy would tend to side with the "G'bye hundreds of thousands" mentality.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Well, sure. Sitting in the comfort of my own living room, knowing that there's not a chance in hell that it's a decision I will ever actually face, it's easy enough to say "uh, well, g'bye, hundreds of thousands!" In-character, though? Cap would look for Option 3, and if he didn't find it he'd probably end up being one of the millions. He's an idealist. That's why he's a superhero.
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Quote:My friend, it's time to add the Loyalist badge to your signature. You understand sacrifice in the name of the great good.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
How much time have I got? Because I've only got a Mossberg 500 and a Browning Hi-Power, so that's gonna take me a while.
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Given what the TV and Radio tend to represent, I would like a social networking site on that computer.
Be told to kill and slaughter, as well as where, in 140 characters or less! -
Quote:The Loyalist and Resistance sigs were made to spread infectiously. Whether you are a true and strong Loyalist or a pathetically misguided Resistance member who dreams of one day starving to death in a capitalist society, you are welcome to use the sigs.Originally Posted by ebon3
Hey Orion, you dont mind if I use your resistance sig pic do you?
(Orion expressly stated that they were for this purpose when they were made.
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Quote:((All we know is that Stephen Richter (Lord Recluse) is dead, but Arachnos still happened. The Devs riddled us with the following "What would Arachnos be like without Lord Recluse?"))Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Nothing's been said yet about the Rogue Isles on Praetoria, as far as I know.
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Quote:The badge in my sig is the first of many.Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Do you haz badges?
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Ah! The Primal Villains have found their way into this war. Get out! You are exactly the type of clawing, snarling scum that we pull the common citizen away from, even if it is sometimes kicking and screaming.
If you decide to stay, you will not be killed, however. Aside from the Resistence, that is not our way. You will be given the opportunity to volunteer for Cole's elite forces overseas. Your commitment will be lifelong and enduring, your sacrifice noted.
None shall hear from you again, for you will be off to nobler things.
Of course, if you were to decide to serve here Loyally, you would still have the opportunity for contact with your family and friends... -
Quote:It is worthy to be used. If you leave it here and retreat to your thread, I will forget your physical description just once.Originally Posted by Orion_Star_EU
Weak minded loyalists, I have furnished a signature for you:
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This is absolutely magnificent. I love it. Even though you and I are destined to be at odds, you are a worthy foe.
Red Names and Peaceful Givers! We request the following!- A sub-section for Going Rogue discussion
- The Loyalist and Resistance threads stickied there
- Some of the concept art released, so that we may futz with it.
- One (1) reference to the undern3t in the game.
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Quote:Excellent! Do you have one for the correct and moral alliance, though?Originally Posted by Orion_Star_EU
My feeble attempt
Edit: If we could find some with the concept art shown at GR, though, that would be optimal. I'll PM Sexy Jay in a moment. -
The thread sizes are telling.
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Quote:Honestly, I had no idea how it was spelled. There was a massive thread archiving my tweets from Hero Con, and I've discussed the word "Praetorian" wrong virtually every time except this sentence, as I was too lazy to look it up.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Marcian, I think it's hysterical that you misspelled Praetorian not once, not twice, but three whole times ("Praetoian"). You also spelled the 'world' as "Praetoia". Do you have a speech impediment that prohibits you from saying the 'r' sound twice in words?
((No wonder you're a Loyalist! Don't have to think...Emperor Cole will think for you! Spelling? Not necessary! Happy fun ball time now!
As no one corrected me until now, I just assumed that I was correct.I know now. Thanks!
Now, let's crack open the etymology on the word "hysterical" for a second, shall we...? ;-) ))
Or, to put it another way...
We have far nobler goals and virtues than worrying about every little word. Whereas you pass your spelling bees and run "Spell checks", we ensure a perfect society, in which everyone is protected, loved, and given a place!
You spell Onomatopoeia from memory. We'll run the world via the glorious beacon of light that is Praetoia. Deal? Deal. -
Quote:I never doubted. Long live Emperor Cole. *Salute*Originally Posted by Lady_Sadako
Thank you for your attention. This has been a test of the Subversive Propaganda Simulation Alert System. We trust that none of our Praetorian citizens have been in the least discomfited. If you experienced troubling emotions or disloyal thoughts, consult a Seer immediately for rapid relief.
Please be advised that genuine subversive propaganda, should it ever succeed in being broadcast, is likely to be far less skilfully constructed. It will be characterized by crude appeals to emotion and hectoring rhetoric. The approved reaction is to smile and go about your business. If you are compelled to act otherwise, consult a Seer for free counselling.
Thank you for your co-operation. Praetoria prevails.
(We need to start putting badges in our sigs stating where we stand. Who wants to photoshop something up?) -
Quote:You people are powered by Steam, punk! We're powered by science, robots, and high powered weaponry.Originally Posted by Orion_Star_EU
Viva La Resistance!
That is all.
You're misguided attempt to undermine our way of life will end in the gutter along with your own worthless corpse.
Edit: You are more then welcome to your opinion, citizen of Praetoia. Please note, however, that when one breaks the pillars of their shelter, they should be careful that the roof does not fall on them. -
Quote:Oh, so in all your "free" way of life, you have only one way to spell things!?Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
"Emperor". If you're going to be a slave, at least spell your master's title right.
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Quote:I'm sad because I want it to be an exploration on how everything is simultaneously Good and Evil, based on how you sell it (see the thread I just set up).Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Why would you be sad at that?
Praetoria is an oppressive, undemocratic tyranny - how can they not be the villains?
The Rikti and Arachnos are major threats to Paragon City - but I haven't seen Statesman setting up a dictatorship here
I'm a Christian (and proud of it!). As one, I have heard people sell my culture as altruistic and beautiful, as well as abhorrent and destructive. Depending on what aspects of our history, historical figures, and impact you choose to study, both are arguably true. The concept of that duality (and is a lot more fascinating and fun than "That guy's dressed in black! Punch him, *pow*!"
It's the same reason Joker was given very well thought out and clever speeches to deliver in The Dark Knight that illustrated it was possible to defend the "Joker way of life"... that it wasn't just "murder 4 teh lulz". -
While people like Golden_Girl* threaten our Praetoian way of life, I make the call to you, dedicated, unwavering, and enduring many that understand the peace we have brought to our city.
Our city is free of random violence. The citizens live safely. Evil is quashed and science develops responsibly! By tracking our peoples' thoughts, we cull danger before it starts, but never while compromising the individually of each and every unique member of this society.
There are those that Primal that think that we have gone too far. These are the people who let their city get over run by Mayhem, finding themselves only to Safeguard in a scrambling manner and praying, frantic and mumbling, that innocent bystanders didn't get too badly broken and battered. A legal system... a system in which people with silver tongues and fancy suits can keep crazed murderers and heinous mad men on the street, doing what they wish. This is the "free will" they value so highly. By allowing every lunatic with a five-day patience to own a gun. To let people slander each other, lie, and cheat their governments.
In their world, it is common practice to steal from the government that protects you. We practice gratitude. Gratitude for the shield of our City: The Praetoian Police Department. Gratitude for the lifeblood of our City: You. And, of course, gratitude for the eternal protection from danger that is provided by our fearless Emperor Cole.
For want of chaos and high wire justice, they would rip from us our very safety! Imagine a world where you must lock your doors every night and arm yourself as you sleep. A world where you may not have the dignity and honor of an office job, but are forced to work in the sewers, cleaning excrement and blood while people spit on you for not using your "free will" to better your lot. Their people live in the streets, while we live in a shelter for each and every one.
Your lot is good here. You will always have food. You will always have warmth, and you will always have Emporer Cole.
Do not let them take this from us! Tell them to try! Tell them to come at us with their zealous and fervent ways. Bring their guns soaked in blood and hands worn and calloused from cruel work. We will defend what we hold dear with our intelligence, with our honor, and with our compassion for a system that works.
Eschew them! The Primal and the Resistant, and any other that may not understand.
We are the strong! We are the many and one! We are, with pride, valor, and unending strength...
The Loyalists!
Now, who's with me?
~Marcian Tobay~
* <3 Consider this a love letter.
Edit:Previously spelled Emperor incorrectly. -
Quote:Well, it will make you happy (and me sad) to know the Developers have more than once said the Loyalists are the Villains and the Resistance the Heroes.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Well, yes, obviously. What Golden Girl is trying to point out is that they're wrong.
Look, this is a game based on superhero comics. For all that GR is supposed to be about moral ambiguity, moral ambiguity is not a theme that plays particularly well in superhero comics. It loads them up with a lot of philosophical claptrap that frankly belongs in some other genre. As such, I for one hope that GR's writing goes really light on it.
A superhero comic is about punching bad guys in the face, and in such comics, iron-fisted hyper-authoritarians are bad guys regardless of in which precise way they wave their hands around while explaining to you why they do it while waiting for the deathtrap you're caught in to finish warming up. Anything else is just overintellectualizing a genre whose chief charm is its refreshing lack of intellectual crap.
The concept of "Freedom=Good" will be used. While I hope they do have arcs that go deeper than that, that will be, I suspect, their guiding stick as they draw out the world of Praetoia. -
Quote:Normal?Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But it is evil to normal people - so the Praetorians are the evil ones
I think they think that we are crazy, evil, and decadent. They think that we are immoral for letting criminals get off so easy. For condoning wicked thoughts. For allowing people to "science" to irresponsible ends.
Hell, maybe we are.
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Quote:You aren't strictly a "Hero" in Praetoia, because they don't use such definitions. I'm fairly certain that you are a vandal or terrorist, in their most literal terms.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
NPCs targetable by Heroes = various levels of less than good morality
So unless the Praetorians can't be attacked in GR, then they are the baddies
The Clockwork are maintenance workers in Pra. The developers beat one up for the Lulz at the GR Demo.
"Hero" and "Villain" are tied to the incredibly nebulous and intangible concepts of "Good" and "Evil". Those concepts are faint whispers of vague ideas in the minds of Praetoian people. For that reason, acts that fall or are, what we could in Primal "Evil", are more acceptable.
I.e.: Killing a maintenance worker for the lulz (Who cares? They aren't really human!). Or killing your boss to "Earn" a promotion. That was explicitly stated in the panel as "Acceptable". It was neither good nor evil. It was demonstrating the virtue of natural selection condoned by their government. -
Quote:It was stated at the Con that they aren't "just evil". The developers crafted a world in which what the choices they made were justified. The central focus of this expansion is moral ambiguity.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
We're more tolerant than that
And the Praetorians aren't an alien race - there's no communcation problem - they're just evil
It's really easy to argue that Emporer Cole is, in fact, what's best for that world. In fact, the developers did. Really effectively. -
Quote:Originally Posted by biomechanic
My guess would be resources, with the DE being so much more prevalent, I imagine that getting natural resources would be a PITA.
Devouring Earth a LOT scarier in Praetoia, just like Clockwork are a lot scarier here.
You know how scientists in this world tend to be irresponsible and make things "Just 'cuz"? In Pra, you can multiple that by twenty. Hamidon happened a long time ago their, as opposed to how recently it is here.
Ergo, the Hamidon problem is significantly more severe in their world. Given what a scary concept Hami would be to those people, I doubt they would seek it out. -
I asked at HeroCon and Posi gave the expected "No comment" on this, acknowledging that it was a worthy question.
What will be the event that kicks off Going Rogue and compels us Primals to rent in room in the Praetoian DoubleTree Hotel, where cookies cost $5?
New features are added via story features constantly. Jeepers creepers, even Powerset Proliferation got justified through story (Kudos to the one who knows what it is!). So, what will cause us to throw open the doors and take it upon ourselves to sort out a mess that isn't ours (Heroes) and exploit people that haven't experienced our brand of villainy (Villains)?
My theory:- Statesman is killed:
Why I think this: "We need something epic" meets up with "A large portion of the forum community has requested Statesman be removed somehow" and makes sweet, sweet sweaty Lore-love.
What I think will happen: Tyrant kills Statesman. Not sure how, but it starts that way. The rest of Statesman's crew, reluctantly led by Positron, decide that this cannot stand. Seeking justice, they head to Praeotia intending to arrest Tyrant and make him stand trial. After some recon, however, they learn that Tyrant isn't "the baddie of the week"... he's the main gear in the well oiled machine that is the city of Praetoia. It would actually be gravely irresponsible for them to simply pluck him out of the picture, assuming they even have the fire power. The only viable way to dethrone Tyrant is to help Praetoia do it itself. Contacts are made with the Resistence. Heroes are urged to assist in the effort as well.
Villains discover that Praetoia's idea of "good" actually suits them. They follow through the gate to take advantage of this opportunity.
My non-theories:- Lord Recluse: The developers spoke in a way at the Con that caused me to believe that Lord Recluse was relatively irrelevant to this storyline. Ergo, I don't think he'll play into it.
- Dr. Aeon: Dr. Aeon's not the type of character that you can use for a storyline this epic and serious, in my opinion.
- Lord Nemesis: The developers said that, more than likely, Praetorian Nemesis is a normal person who died a simple and happy clockmaker. Primal Nemesis is really really overdone. Between these two, we're practically out of candidates.
(Oops! Have to head out! I'll post more theories and non-theories when I get back. In the mean time... chat!) - Statesman is killed:
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Now the second plug doesn't work... do these things short out?