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Perhaps this is a stupid question, but has anyone been able to use non standard characters in their Toon Name ?

Cheers

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you can use _, -, @ and .

nothing else. and only one of those.

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I'm sure your answer is correct, but since that person asked that question about 13 months ago I hope they got something on that already.

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Does /settitle still work? I can find some guides with updated numbers and such but the command just seems to clear my title

Thanks!

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Yes unfortunately just about every patch update manages to change at least -something- about badges so as to throw off the list order and shift some of badges around to change their number. The badge information at www.cityinfoterminal.com is kept very up-to-date and has all the /settitle numbers associated with them.

Good Luck!

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Developers are people, too. People make mistakes. The purpose of this thread is to point out one specific mistake and ask that they correct it. Personal attacks on Positron or anyone else accomplish nothing.

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Not personally attacking anyone. If anything all that's being pointed out is an unsettling series of apparent misjudgements on his part concerning this game and this game alone. I'm sure he's quite a nice fellow IRL.

This is still a free country, at least where the game's servers are located anyway. Free speech and all that...

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Bolded for emphasis. You are indeed free to say what you like, but in this context it's not necessarily helpful.

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Ah... but when building evidence to support an argument it's always useful to draw on the 'case history' if you will to point out 'why' your position is valid. Had Positron not had a history of questionable whims such as this then your case would have less to go on...

Positron is his own worst enemy in this situation...

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Developers are people, too. People make mistakes. The purpose of this thread is to point out one specific mistake and ask that they correct it. Personal attacks on Positron or anyone else accomplish nothing.

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Not personally attacking anyone. If anything all that's being pointed out is an unsettling series of apparent misjudgements on his part concerning this game and this game alone. I'm sure he's quite a nice fellow IRL.

This is still a free country, at least where the game's servers are located anyway. Free speech and all that...

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Maybe Posi's not -worse- than Statesman was.
Could be he's just -as- 'heavy handed' and 'shortsighted' as Statesman could ever be.
It's all a matter of your point of view...

Let's not forget Posi is the man who brought us RV Isolator.
If that doesn't give you some insight on what we are dealing with then I don't know what will...


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Oh the drama!

You'd think this was politics.

It's just an accolade, chill out guys. Even if the requirement is too hard there's no need for the crap being thrown around. Get a sense of proportion - accolades are small beans even inside the realm of CoH.

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Heh... I could care less about this accolade. I don't even really regularly play CoV anymore.

Doesn't change the fact that both Statesman and Positron have their supporters and detractors.
No drama - just a simple fact.

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Statesman, for all the problems I had with his design philosophy, was someone who never particularly struck me as aloof. Positron? I can't think of a better word for him right now. Much as I think the NI requirement was a mistake rather than the initial intent, I don't think it'll get either changed or even acknowledged by Positron as a problem. He just can't be bothered.

Harsh? Sure, but I've lost count of the former Statesman naysayers who now wish he'd takeover again after a single issue under Posi's "vision". There's a reason I want the Destroyer badge so badly right now...

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I call shenanigans on this post. There isn't a pejorative label thrown at or perceived attitude attributed to Positron that hasn't been thrown at or attributed to Statesman 10 times and counting. In part, it's the nature of the beast when one becomes Lead Designer. "The Buck Stops Here," and all that.

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SHAZAM!

Statesman has been called everything but a Child of God in the past, but now Positron is worse because he won't lower the badge requirements for an accolade?

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Maybe Posi's not -worse- than Statesman was.
Could be he's just -as- 'heavy handed' and 'shortsighted' as Statesman could ever be.
It's all a matter of your point of view...

Let's not forget Posi is the man who brought us RV Isolator.
If that doesn't give you some insight on what we are dealing with then I don't know what will...

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if you look at the new spawn compisitions in AP and GC you will notice that there are a few contaminated in gemini park (i think that is the name, the one by perez gateway), I don't know if they count towards the badge and they are not there all the time but while flying through the zone I found one once.

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Don't worry about it CRICKET_of_Chaos - you aren't the first to think those Infected you saw might count for Isolator and probably won't be the last either.

Why some of those Infected couldn't have been Contaminated in the first place only Positron knows...

Actually with as many people who are getting confused by the AP and GC Infected I'm beginning to see a sneaky 'grand scheme' concerning RV Isolator. As if making RV Isolator laughably ridiculous wasn't enough by itself, Posi perhaps thought it'd be funny to make people who wanted Isolator waste even -more- time zooming around AP and GC sadly looking for Contaminated there amongst the newly placed Infected MOBs.

Will the deviousness of this man ever cease?

Speaking of time sinks and despite ukaserex eloquence, the simple fact of the matter is that there will soon be three ways a character could have used to legitimately earn Isolator in this game:

A) Those created post-I2 who spent 30 minutes, maybe an hour, in Outbreak to defeat 100 contaminated.
B) Those technically created pre-I2 but chose to waste untold hours "rerolling" to do what type As did.
C) Those created pre-I2 but its player decided to waste untold hours camping for RV Isolator to get it.

So, when we compare the times involved we have:

1 hour (type A) versus probably 100s of hours (type B) versus almost certainly 100s of hours (type C)

On top of this illogic we now have the slippery slope situation opened to allow what I'll graciously call the 'ignorant' subset of post-I2 players/characters to have the frankly unprecedented ability to earn Isolator in RV just because they were too lazy or undisciplined enough to earn it when they should and -could- have in Outbreak.

So did Posi promise to screw over pre-I2 players and allow post-I2 'ignorants' a chance to get a badge they really -don't- deserve? Because that's certainly what he's delivered with this sad mess.

'Social class indication' as ukaserex puts it has little to do with the matter when we are talking about a gross unfairness leveled at pre-I2 players/characters. It may just be me but I -still- don't like the feeling of being punished for playing this game since CoH Beta, and this is exactly the way I feel sometimes when I consider how the Isolator situation has been mishandled since day one.

As a pre-I2 player I never wanted or asked to be -given- Isolator, but I don't feel it's fair in the least to ask me to do any thing more for it than post-I2 characters had to when they wanted to earn it.

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It astounds me that people here in both the pro and anti Isolator camps continue to sling arrows at each other over this when it's painfully clear that A) the Devs allowed the pre-I2 toon Isolator problem to happen, B) the Devs let the problem linger and pretended it didn't exist then finally C) in a tacit admittal of the mistake lowered themselves enough to twitch their pinkies on their mice to click a few GUI buttons calling that a day.

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Adding a Contaminated spawn to RV is not a "tacit admission to a mistake". No matter how many times you try to say that, Lothic, it won't make it true. There was *nothing* wrong with Isolator, nor how it was placed in the first place.

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Get back to me on that point when the Devs tell us that the reason they bothered with RV Isolator had -absolutely nothing- to do with the fact that pre-I2 toons were prevented from having the chance to get Isolator in the first place. There's no legitimate reason to offer Isolator outside of Outbreak if you manage to argue away the key design oversight the Devs allowed to happen so many moons ago. Although I obviously don't think they handled the 'fix' situation very well, the fact that one exists now clearly demonstrates that the Devs felt there was *something* wrong with Isolator, and because that fix involves another zone completely it would seem to suggest that the problem was related to where it was placed in the first place. The Devs have re-written it, so let it be done...

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Does no one else see that that Devs have laughed at us -all- over this? No one here really got what they wanted, and we all got to see how they are willing to patronizingly handle the concerns of its player base. People with valid arguments for why badges shouldn't be tinkered with as well as the toon rerollers got brushed aside, and people who pleaded for so long for a sensible solution for the original Isolator oversight got slapped with one of the most insanely simpleminded yet diabolical schemes one could have imagined for this game. Basically no one -won- anything here...

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Really? I don't see the Dev's laughing at anyone over this, and this is another example of you blowing things way out of proportion. And people DID get what they wanted... People like Beef_Cake got their chance at Isolator, which they *ASKED* for. (And stated that they didn't care HOW hard it was).

And as one of the people who didn't want an alternative for Isolator made available, I don't feel like my concerns were "Brushed aside". Nor do I feel like I "lost", as this was never a contest. It was a change based on customer feedback, and while I disagree with it, I can accept it, nor am I gonna Vileify the dev's for it.

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I've never seen a plainer inside joke than RV Isolator...

You can't honestly tell me that people like Beef_Cake *ASKED* for something like RV Isolator at first. I remember people like him arguing in the past that they simply should be -given- Isolator because they -deserved- it or some such nonsense. It was only when it became clear that the Devs were willing to stick to their guns and not change Isolator that the pro-Isolator types got desperate enough to offer their gaming souls to obtain it no matter how hard it would be. Instead of sticking to their reasonable policy of badge integrity, Posi thought it'd be cute to call the pro-Isolators' bluff and hand-wave a hack without considering the ramifications or aggravations involved. If the Devs want to start down the primrose path that will lead to all badges becoming available regardless of the original time or location limitations involved that's fine of course, it's their game to do with as they please. I suppose RV Isolator simply doesn't give me a decent 'warm fuzzy' that any of the other badge diluting or backpedaling will be handled any better in the future.

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I assumed the Devs would ultimately botch a 'fix' like this, that's why I never asked for Isolator outside of Outbreak. At least for me you are preaching to the choir - the idiot pro-Isolators allowed the Devs an opening to set a precedent that will let them get away with more stupid s*** in the future. At this point I could care less about Isolator - I'm just upset that other more significant future player requested items may now be handled in an equally thoughtless way and that's something none of us should be laughing at.

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Anyway I, unlike you, dont see this as "botched" or "thoughtless" so any future predictions of doom dont apply as far as Im concerned. And whatever your opinion of this I happen to think that this qualifies as a rather unique situation and cant really imagine anything in future being handled in a similar manner.

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Gods we can only hope nothing will ever be handled "a similar manner" to Isolator and RV Isolator ever again.

While you may hold the RV Isolator MOB hack in higher esteem than others do, I'll choose to take it in the manner in which it has been presented to the player community. If the Devs decided a five minute knee-jerk effort was an appropriate response to an issue that has raged on this forum for good or bad since the beginning of I2, then clearly I am forced to conclude that Devs are likely to, at some point in the future, respond to other player issues with an equal lack of reasonable respect, effort or concern. I don't find the logic of that prospect very appealing...

Now if my position on this is considered alarmist or an attempt to vilify the Devs over their otherwise outstanding game, then I'm willing to accept those assumptions if it will help slow the downward spiral of badge whining and backpedaling here and now.

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the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way

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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*

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Basically no one -won- anything here...

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Oh I wouldnt say no one won anything. Some of us are getting a very good laugh over seeing some people totally freak out about a completely meaningless badge.



A certain subsection of the population asked for Isolator to be offered outside of Outbreak, "no matter how hard it is". Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

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*sigh* How many times do I have to state that I am -not- pro-Isolator in these threads?
Why does everyone always respond to my constructive criticism as if it where the typical pro-Isolator whine?

You may be having a very good laugh with the Devs getting away with piss-poor offerings to its player base - I’m not. If they are willing to stoop this low for the RV Isolator hack whose to say they won't try it again with something more important?

I assumed the Devs would ultimately botch a 'fix' like this, that's why I never asked for Isolator outside of Outbreak. At least for me you are preaching to the choir - the idiot pro-Isolators allowed the Devs an opening to set a precedent that will let them get away with more stupid s*** in the future. At this point I could care less about Isolator - I'm just upset that other more significant future player requested items may now be handled in an equally thoughtless way and that's something none of us should be laughing at.

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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*

I understand that a key argument/assumption the anti-Isolators have held is that it would take "too much time and effort" for the Devs to implement a "fix" for Isolator. I also understand that the mere existence of RV Isolator fundamentally dismisses that argument because, well, there now -is- a fix for it of sorts. That's fine.

But I would offer that the pro-Isolators have at best a Pyrrhic victory with RV Isolator because a reasonable solution to the problem has in fact proven to actually -be- a "waste of the devs time" as far as they seem to be concerned. They didn't put any significant effort to address the problem in a balanced, thoughtful way at all and that's the real tragedy here.

Long before CoH went live I'm sure the Devs developed editing tools that would simplify their ability to establish MOBs in zones and missions - little GUIs perhaps that let them set spawn points, critter types and levels, spawn frequencies and so on. I'm sure they've used these tools so many times that the average Dev could probably set up a new MOB spawn in a zone in the quick matter of a few seconds.

To think that after well over a year of people arguing about Isolator in the forums, people deciding whether or not to throw hundreds of hours away on rerolls and people coming up with numerous workable scenarios that could've provided positive solutions for everyone concerned that were seemingly ignored, it all came down to a couple of quick RV MOB spawn defines that for all it took could've been done within the first minute of Issue 2 going live in some back corner of AP long forgotten by this point.

The sad idea that people like Beef_Cake have claimed that they've already defeated many dozens of Contaminated since I2 in various 'buggy' mission spawns only screams for that extra little step in logic that if these little buggers were already slipping out of Outbreak it could've been so simple to have just let it happen 'for real' long ago. Gods how much happier this forum would've been if those little misspawns had been intended all along.

It astounds me that people here in both the pro and anti Isolator camps continue to sling arrows at each other over this when it's painfully clear that A) the Devs allowed the pre-I2 toon Isolator problem to happen, B) the Devs let the problem linger and pretended it didn't exist then finally C) in a tacit admittal of the mistake lowered themselves enough to twitch their pinkies on their mice to click a few GUI buttons calling that a day.

Does no one else see that that Devs have laughed at us -all- over this? No one here really got what they wanted, and we all got to see how they are willing to patronizingly handle the concerns of its player base. People with valid arguments for why badges shouldn't be tinkered with as well as the toon rerollers got brushed aside, and people who pleaded for so long for a sensible solution for the original Isolator oversight got slapped with one of the most insanely simpleminded yet diabolical schemes one could have imagined for this game. Basically no one -won- anything here...

Even though the conversation's moved past this LiquidX, I don't see "to get a badge" tacked on after those phrases...

Let's drop the Easter Egg line... it's as useless and irreconcilable as the rest of this thread at this point.

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I have mocked the Devs stupidity for even bringing us to a situation where we even needed RV Isolator in the first place. And that’s a very real reason to call the Devs out on their sad mishandling of this situation…

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No, it isn't. A mishandling of the situation would be if the dev's had somehow enticed people into getting every badge. Or perhaps if they awarded a badge for acheiving every badge. Or maybe if isolator was the key to some sweet acolade.

However, since they never did anything to enforce the isolator lust, they never mishandled anything. Seriously.

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Except for Isolator being the only badge that ever existed that was completely unearnable by a segment of the gaming population.
Seems pretty mishandled to me to have a situation like that linger for well over a year without a reasonable solution.

Seriously, why do you think they ever even bothered offering RV Isolator to us at all? Was it because they -didn't- make a mistake with it?

But alas if only the whiners had fully understood that the cure was going to be far more shortsighted than the disease ever was.

Unlike others here Isolator Lust was never my motivation. I never asked for it - in past months before RV Isolator even hatched I offered reasonable compromises that didn't even involve Isolator.

I suppose we will have to accept this pathetic RV Isolator hack as the only effective apology we are likely ever going to get out of the Devs on Isolator. I don't see it as anything more than that - a cheap token effort. Clearly even now the Devs really never wanted to allow it outside of Outbreak and they should've stuck to their guns on that to save us all the bother.

To my mind this was way too little and far too late... Better luck next time Devs – get back to fixing I7 bugs where your efforts will actually be appreciated.

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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs.

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Get a character to level 11 and don't earn any badges. Then you can say all badges are easter eggs.

Since it's impossible, I submit not all badges are easter eggs.

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Correct.

Thus, some badges are easter eggs, and some are not. Isolator was intended to be one. Your just grasping at straws at this point in order to be angry at the devs for doing something totally legitimate.

They gave you a way to get it, berating them for it being hard (after them issuing a warning that if it was added, it would be ridiculously hard), and then continuing to deride the solution smacks of immaturity.

If it wasn't so funny, it would be sad.

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Review my posts… I am not a whiny pro-Isolator.
If anything I'm probably more anti-Isolator than most of you are...

I've never wanted a way to get it outside of Outbreak 'after the fact'.
I think it should have always been outside of Outbreak from day one.

The fact that Isolator has been confused with being an Easter Egg has only lent angst to this whole thing - had it been treated like a normal kill badge not limited by location there wouldn't be any stigma with it now.

I have never berated the Devs for making RV Isolator hard. I always expected any fix for it to be so.

I have mocked the Devs stupidity for even bringing us to a situation where we even needed RV Isolator in the first place. And that’s a very real reason to call the Devs out on their sad mishandling of this situation…

What’s sad is the hyper–badgers and their insanity will drive them to earn RV Isolator regardless…
They asked for that - I hope they enjoy it.

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Now you’re finally starting to catch on LiquidX – I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldn’t even get to we wouldn’t even have had an Isolator problem in the first place…

Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...

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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.

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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?

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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...

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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?

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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"

Want me to continue?

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No your proved my point... Badges -aren't- Easter Eggs. If you followed LiquidXs assertion you'd have to argue that...

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No...I proved that THOSE badges are not Easter Eggs. Isolator has absolutely no bar, no progress confirmation, and no hint that it is in the game. Therefore, it is an Easter Egg.

Likewise, Jail Bird has no hint towards it being in the game...it doesn't even have an Exploration badge symbol, and thus, it is also an Easter Egg.

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Now you’re finally starting to catch on LiquidX – I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldn’t even get to we wouldn’t even have had an Isolator problem in the first place…

Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...

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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.

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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?

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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...

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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?

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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"

Want me to continue?

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No your proved my point... Badges -aren't- Easter Eggs. If you followed LiquidXs assertion you'd have to argue that they all were...

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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs.

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Get a character to level 11 and don't earn any badges. Then you can say all badges are easter eggs.

Since it's impossible, I submit not all badges are easter eggs.

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And they never were meant to be either. That was my whole point to refute LiquidXs assertion that Isolator was supposed to be an Easter Egg...

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Now you’re finally starting to catch on LiquidX – I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldn’t even get to we wouldn’t even have had an Isolator problem in the first place…

Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...

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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.

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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?

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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...

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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?

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Now you’re finally starting to catch on LiquidX – I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldn’t even get to we wouldn’t even have had an Isolator problem in the first place…

Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...

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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.

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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all? Isolator could've easily been just as much an Easter Egg for you if you could find Contaminated in Outbreak, AP and GC since the beginning of I2 as they are now in only Outbreak and RV at the dawn of I7. As a kill badge Isolator is no more unique than any other kill badge...

And for the record I didn’t really have to do much twisting to take offense at the debacle, its illogic pretty much happened all by itself.

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Those people who had toons pre-I2, as has been stated many times, could have re-rolled. Their choice not to, but still the complaints come in. They made a choice not to re-roll for a badge which, by the complaints, is obviously of game-breaking importance to them. The devs are offering that badge now, but making it difficult. Big deal. Like I said, no sympathy at all for them. If they truly thought it was that big a deal they would have re-rolled.

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Yes pre-I2 toons "could have re-rolled", so from that point of view I've never had much sympathy for Isolator whiners either.

But I think the point you've missed is -why- were pre-I2 toon players forced to even make that choice?
Why were they barred from a badge simply because they were in the game prior to badges being introduced?
What good purpose did it end up serving that couldn't otherwise have been easily avoided by the Devs?
Why did the Devs take so long to give us a fix that amounts to a big 'screw you' to the player base?

The only big deal I've ever had was the real answers to these questions... And I'm still waiting...

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The game didn't keep track of who took out 100 isolators at the time, so it would have either been impossible to find out who "deserved" the badge, and who just earned it for making the character before issue 2, or hard as hell.

And even if the game did keep track, Positron has stated that datamining is very time consuming to do.

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I'm thinking a bit beyond these tired points. Frankly I don't care whether the game tracked contaminated kills pre-I2 or not or how hard datamining supposedly is or not (a flimsier excuse from a software developer I don't think I've ever heard BTW).

Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*

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Besides the fact that if it were made that easy, there would be no point in even leaving the Isolator badge in Outbreak in the first place?

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Now you’re finally starting to catch on LiquidX – I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the existing playerbase at the start of I2 couldn’t even get to we wouldn’t even have had an Isolator problem in the first place…

Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...

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Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*

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Of course, what a brilliant idea!!

And all those 50s out there who want the badge would never farm them with their tier-9 powers and make it impossible for the lowbies to get.

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Read what I said a little bit more closely next time…

If the Devs had put contaminated in AP or GC -since- the beginning of I2, there'd likely be no level 50s around stupid enough not to have picked up the badge long before they ever became 50s… There would have been no Isolator problem at all from square one. How many level 50s currently grief level 10s in PP killing Hellions? Think about it...

But even if the Devs did place them in AP or GC for I7 (something I did not suggest originally mind you) the 50s who still needed Isolator would all have them done within a week or so and leave the poor noobs on their own forever more.

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Those people who had toons pre-I2, as has been stated many times, could have re-rolled. Their choice not to, but still the complaints come in. They made a choice not to re-roll for a badge which, by the complaints, is obviously of game-breaking importance to them. The devs are offering that badge now, but making it difficult. Big deal. Like I said, no sympathy at all for them. If they truly thought it was that big a deal they would have re-rolled.

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Yes pre-I2 toons "could have re-rolled", so from that point of view I've never had much sympathy for Isolator whiners either.

But I think the point you've missed is -why- were pre-I2 toon players forced to even make that choice?
Why were they barred from a badge simply because they were in the game prior to badges being introduced?
What good purpose did it end up serving that couldn't otherwise have been easily avoided by the Devs?
Why did the Devs take so long to give us a fix that amounts to a big 'screw you' to the player base?

The only big deal I've ever had was the real answers to these questions... And I'm still waiting...

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The game didn't keep track of who took out 100 isolators at the time, so it would have either been impossible to find out who "deserved" the badge, and who just earned it for making the character before issue 2, or hard as hell.

And even if the game did keep track, Positron has stated that datamining is very time consuming to do.

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I'm thinking a bit beyond these tired points. Frankly I don't care whether the game tracked contaminated kills pre-I2 or not or how hard datamining supposedly is or not (a flimsier excuse from a software developer I don't think I've ever heard BTW).

Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*

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Those people who had toons pre-I2, as has been stated many times, could have re-rolled. Their choice not to, but still the complaints come in. They made a choice not to re-roll for a badge which, by the complaints, is obviously of game-breaking importance to them. The devs are offering that badge now, but making it difficult. Big deal. Like I said, no sympathy at all for them. If they truly thought it was that big a deal they would have re-rolled.

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Yes pre-I2 toons "could have re-rolled", so from that point of view I've never had much sympathy for Isolator whiners either.

But I think the point you've missed is -why- were pre-I2 toon players even forced to make that choice?
Why were they barred from a badge simply because they were in the game prior to badges being introduced?
What good purpose did it end up serving that couldn't otherwise have been easily avoided by the Devs?
Why did the Devs take so long to give us a fix that amounts to a big 'screw you' to the player base?

The only big deal I've ever had was the real answers to these questions... And I'm still waiting...

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But would be nice is if the spawn timer were reduced some because as it stands now, you will be lucky to get 1-2 kills a day. And to kill 100 of them is a long way away from getting this badge. So you are looking at 2 months or more depending if you get exactly 2 kills a day.


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I see NO problem with the spawn rate as it currently stands. It took me 2+ months to redo all the levels when I rerolled. So, this is perfect compensation. When are you all going to realize this? The way its designed right this minute is to factor in all the pain & suffering that those of us who choose reroll had to go through. Period. End of discussion. I (being one of the adamant anti-isolator crowd) and very pleased with this implementation. Deal.

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My main badge hunter was created during CoH Headstart.
I chose not to waste months of effort with a reroll for the sake of one badge.
Since making that decision I have never once asked/argued for a means to get Isolator.
I made my decision and was willing to live with it.

The only injustice that all pre-I2 characters have had to deal with was being forced to make the choice whether or not to reroll for Isolator in the first place. Now clearly you are a bit bitter about your decision - your tone implies that you are upset that you might have made the wrong choice in rerolling now that there is -some- way to get Isolator outside of Outbreak. Were I in your position I'd probably be upset too. But it was clear there was only going to be two outcomes to this A) the Devs would never change anything or B) they would. By not rerolling I knew I A) would've ended up not wasting any leveling time or B) might have had a second chance to get it whether I wanted it or not.

The RV Isolator hack (I won't grace it with a kinder description) is the way it is because it was perhaps the only way the Devs could ever even attempt to give people like you any kind of adequate "consideration" for the time you've wasted. I understand that. But then again two wrongs never make a right, and the likelihood that I'll step up to beat my head against the wall to get RV Isolator is next to nil at this point. I haven't had Isolator for over two years due to a silly and arbitrary Dev design whim so I think I can live a few more years without it.

It's just that I simply don't buy the argument you make that this is "perfect compensation". Your 2+ months of pain & suffering involved having fun doing things in a open enjoyable PvE environment doing various things with all the game had to offer. The pain & suffering involved in RV Isolator couldn't be farther from anything I'd ever consider fun or enjoyable if it tried. I honestly don't think anyone should be "very pleased with this implementation" because even if you think there's some kind of justification for it, it only foretells the lack respect and low level of effort the Devs are now willing to stoop to. The Devs had well over a year to come up with a solution for Isolator that could've been hard as heck to achieve -and- be something that was not mind numbingly frustrating and too heinous to even think about doing. RV Isolator is all they could come up with? Thanks but no thanks.

If other people are happy about this that's fine, I guess there's no real accounting for taste. But if RV Isolator is what people get for being in the game since day one then as far as I'm concerned they could've put the 5 minutes of effort they spent on this to better use fighting I7 bugs.