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See now i call exploits getting under a map and shooting foes that cant shoot back.

Not this.

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And shooting comm-ofs from under 20-something forcefields (which pretty much ensures that they never hit) is different how? (And yes, it still could be done, even after Sky Raiders patch.)

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Not everyone had 20 bubbles.

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How can anything be an explote when the system was given to us by the devs, there is nothing stoping you from making a whole map full of EBS now this isnt moaned at as PL its just part of the MA sysem.

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That's pretty much THE definition of exploit, - you're able to do something so overpowered that there ought to be a mechanism for stopping you from doing that, but because of devs' oversight, there isn't.

What is unique about this meow issue is its scale (1-50 in less than a day) and number of users (most players, to an extent), not its nature.

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See now i call exploits getting under a map and shooting foes that cant shoot back.

Not this.

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Simply means if you've completly taken the [censored] with the MA system & leveled a toon 50 levels in a matter of hours.

I seen the warnings, there was a warning before it was even released that the MA system wouldnt be allowed to be used for creating "perfect farms" etc

I don't like the idea & I hope the lose access to the toon is something permanent rather than a temp suspension thing...& I hope it then can't be deleted so it takes up one of the slots permanently

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Thats it mate, laugh it up, all the way to another empty zone.

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Do you REALLY want to end up with no customers?

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It will lose more if it stays as it is, I for one don't like all the zones being turned into farm request lines & would consider leaving because of it..

Farming does have a place in the game, but not to this extreme...

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I agree, and i think if they want to say enough is enough thats fine, but do it from now, 7pm today or whatever.

Dont start talking about demoting/deleting/banning chars because for every 1-50 in 1 day char theres another that some poor sod who was just sick of not having stamina pre 22 going west with it.

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Im not saying i agreed with what was happening and if this is the stance they want to take then thats fine, but dont start talking about "back dating" punnishments.


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It's not back-dataing - there was a clear warning in the MA patch notes that exploiters would be in trouble.

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Read it again, what was "lose access to chars leveled this way" or whatever it was he said.

I think Posi is lining himself up for another shot in the foot.

Making an arc then farming it after being given the tools to do it aint an exploit.

Nor is it unfair, because anyone can do it if they want.

Im not saying i agreed with what was happening and if this is the stance they want to take then thats fine, but dont start talking about "back dating" punishments.

Do you REALLY want to end up with no customers?

I would wait and see what happens once they have nerfed the MA to the point where no one plays it, before you start raising ya blood pressure Saphi.

Nah bad idea, everything has been devalued in this game, without vet rewards as well.

Everything is too easy and quick to get as it is.

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I get concerned because the more farming goes on the less teams there are for "ordinary players" and a vicious circle will form (maybe has formed) that would be very hard to break.

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Well said. This is exactly the problem that the game faces.

Farming has always been around, and even if MA was completely removed from the game, farming would still continue as it used to.

As I've said before, apart from getting blind invites to PI farm teams in the past, I had no real issue with farmers. If they want to farm then let them get on with it.

The problem isn't the farming aspect. It's the hyper levelling and specifically the ease that it can be done with MA now.

When that becomes the normal thing to do, this is where the longevity of the game starts to get into real trouble.

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I have now been playing this game for 51months and farming has been going on as far back as i can remember. One of the first chars to be nerfed to hell the old Fire / Fire Tanker; which now is as end heavy as a sledge hammer and as strong as a glass slipper. Youre saying people will find it hard to find teams due to all the farming going on, Well i dont know about Union as i dont go on there but on Defiant its dead and has been for a long time. PvP on Defiant dead, now like a ghost town, and the amount of people i see screaming for farm teams on there is unreal.

The vicious circle you face is if you stop farming as you have all tried to do for years and eventualy succeed; then get ready for even more people to leave this game. As from the majority i see on the server farming is what makes them happy and makes them pay their subscription each month. Take their fun away from them and you loose their custom and you loose an even bigger chance of finding a team as there is no bugger left on the servers.

What i suggest is you get new contacts to do new story arcs to do and some new powersets in the game. Make the game more enjoyable as for me after 51months i cant face Frostfire or any of the others im sick to the back teeth of them. Get the Devs to get PvP back into action sort out the Market and the prices of IO sets. For a normal person who plays the game say 2hours a night for him to save up 300Million for 1 of the new PvP IOs would probably take him 2 months; to buy the whole set would take him 6 month thats a real insentive for a new player to game not to farm. How else are they supposed to get that sort of money to buy their IOs playing the normal Arcs. Salvage 1 fortune (white) going for 300k lmao, you cant just say no more farming without sorting out the other aspects of the game that are just so stupid.

Sort all the basics out first and farming will take care of itself in dying out as there would be no need for it and wouldnt be a temptation for new players if there is a real chance of them getting to 50 and IO setting out there chars that wont cost them 2Billion +.

You should'nt be moaning at the farmers, their doing what they love to make the game fun for themselves. NOT everyone loves doing the same old story arc's. You should divert youre chritism at the Dev's and make them get some fresh blood in the story lines and get PvP back they are their to give the game a breath of life so all new players are not tempted to farm.

OR you can just ban farming and watch people leave in droves again and then try and find a team thats the vicious circle you face nothing more.

THE COURT REST's

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Good post, well said.

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Shame the cost of common high level salvage has gone through the roof. Get back to the deamons you lot....

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play random ma mish
mash roll salvage button
put it on the market
make millions
repeat

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This is what I'm doing but I've noticed something when i do a random roll and i have recipes in my inventory i very often get the salvage i need to make those recipes now maybe its just a flook but it struck me a s a bit weird.

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I just had that happen twice in a row. Or rather i got the recipe and already had the exact salvage to make it.

Yep, anything new for bases is good i think.

Lag hill on roman SF.

NPC in 1st mission of LRSF.

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Can I just ask why you're choosing to do something you've said you dislike?

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For the sake of scientific experiment.

My old mate Cobra, is one of those selfless, tough job, someones gotta do it , type of guys!

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i see it this way, every game that is level based always have ppl who like RP and elitism.
the RP part is slow and steady, while the elitism is gathering info as quickly as possible and act better then the rest.
there is, at high level caps, one kind of player that is a bit left out here, the casual player.
they don't care about ether of them, but don't want to grind hours and hours just for a small upgrade on there character.
and with a massive grind fest, there are PL players.
it might sound cruel to devs, but grind that takes just this long without anything new trough out the game is simply a bad game design.

personally i don't care about the story's that TF or mission arc's give, just get me a level higher and i'm happy.
enjoying the game is one thing, grinding for around a year is another.

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What is this RP? I hope you don't mean Role Playing, seeing as this is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. And pardon me if there is another Acronym floating around here that I haven't seen yet. Whatever it is, it sounds pretty bad being put up there with Elitism. Which is not included in any official game genre initialism for sure.


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just what i would've expected from elitism, act like they know everything and shout when they can't be right.
thanks for clarifying how they act

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If there is one thing Gravito aint, its an elitist.

No.

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Give a kid a pencil, he will draw you a nice picture. Give a convict a pencil, he will kill his inmates.

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The "people kill people" argument is flawed in so many ways it's almost unbelievable. Don't even go there.

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That would leave the MA as the place to go to experience new story lines.


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The trouble is, with the rewards removed/lowered a lot, no one will bother with it, it will just be another empty zone.

Which means 2 issues wasted.

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The irony is that it's not a "trouble" at all. That would be a good thing, not a "wasted" issue at all. At the moment it is a wasted issue.

Surely it's better for people to be playing the non-virtual content, i.e. the actual game, rather than the MA?

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I think now its here they might as well leave the thing alone or its just been a waste. Waste is when something is unused, at the moment its very popular.

The thing that makes me laugh is now people (players and devs) are saying its being abused, did you REALLY think it was going to end any other way?

Offer 10 people an auto sk and the option to get to 50 quick and 7 of them are going to take it. It dont matter if its to get their 1st level 50 or their 20th, people are going to do it.

Of course i think the whole thing was a mistake, which i said at the time because i knew this was how it was going to end up.

Not that i mind abit of farming, iv done plenty of it myself, i just think the time this was given should have been spent on content.

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That would leave the MA as the place to go to experience new story lines.


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The trouble is, with the rewards removed/lowered a lot, no one will bother with it, it will just be another empty zone.

Which means 2 issues wasted.

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Your post is funny.

The irony...

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Sorry i missed the irony in what i said?

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Because plenty of people are already ignoring(read as not bothering with it) MA and thinks the last 2 issues have been wasted.
Guess it's only a facepalm moment if you are ignoring it.

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Sorry, with you now, lack of coffee

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That would leave the MA as the place to go to experience new story lines.


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The trouble is, with the rewards removed/lowered a lot, no one will bother with it, it will just be another empty zone.

Which means 2 issues wasted.

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Your post is funny.

The irony...

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Sorry i missed the irony in what i said?

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That would leave the MA as the place to go to experience new story lines.


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The trouble is, with the rewards removed/lowered a lot, no one will bother with it, it will just be another empty zone.

Which means 2 issues wasted.

Trouble is if you start removing the rewards from MA, it will end up going from popular feature, to empty zone used by creative people.

They should leave the speeches to you, your better at them.

Good luck mate, sorry to see you go.

We had a few ups and downs but sorry to see you go mate.

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And a few other ideas by the sound of it. She was great =]

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She was great. But you know what? I got a distinct vibe from Posi that was "I'm done with this, let's wheel out the Canadian, they all love her."

He responded to some questions, but ignored any that seemed even vaguely difficult except the PVP questions because he was pressed repeatedly on them. To the question "What is so difficult about touching base wtih the EU from time to time" his reply was simply "I'm here now aren't I?" If he replied to my point that was once in 3 years I didn't hear it.

I overwhelmingly got the impression that Posi thinks it's their game, they know what's best and sod the paying customer.

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Yea well that attitude will eventually [censored] him dont worry.

Worst lag fest iv ever seen.