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"Gee, let's have 2 superhero MMOs! We'll compete with ourselves!"

Thus diluting both player bases.


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Doesn't Sony have like 4 different fantasy MMOs?

That's like saying Lineage II's fanbase dilluted Lineage 1's...

Or that everytime Marvel releases a superhero game for PS2, it's diluting the fanbase.

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Other than wireless device manufacturing (in general), I think that OLG may be the fastest growing industry on the planet.

There should be plenty of titles to go around.

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"Gee, let's have 2 superhero MMOs! We'll compete with ourselves!"

Thus diluting both player bases.


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Doesn't Sony have like 4 different fantasy MMOs?

That's like saying Lineage II's fanbase dilluted Lineage 1's...

Or that everytime Marvel releases a superhero game for PS2, it's diluting the fanbase.

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The only real dilution is in $$/month.

I can afford one MMO, plus I don't want to have altitis across two MMOs.

Wake me when there's an MMO that A) allows me to be *a* Green Lantern and B) doesn't stick me with only energy blast, force field and flight.

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Can you even imagine?
What an awful, awful thought....

Team member levels?

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/signed.

HF should be 25% heal with a 1-2 second activation.

Not a 17% heal with a 4 second activation.

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The "post heal" inanimation REALLY chaps my hide.

I'd like to know more on how SD tests.

For Brutes SD has an inherent taunt component and the range is indeed NMT 10 ft.
Unless those elements were changed for the Corruptor version, I would beware taking this power.

Being rooted for 2.4 seconds amongst 3-8 baddies while taunting AND drawing aggro is no place for a Corruptor to be.
You may be able to trigger [insert your favorite 'Nova' power here], but will you survive its 2-3 second activation time with all that attention on ya?

I'm gonna write a nice song about Arcanaville. A little 70's folkish number, perhaps.

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I just did my own test with Zapp. Here's what I came up with.

Target: Bane Spider Commando
Buffs:5 IoPs for damage only

Zap: Description:Extreme
Enhancement:+30%
Dealt:100
w/o enhancemet:apx 77

Focus: Description:High
Enhancement:+72.9%
Dealt:140
w/o enhancement:apx 81

Thus Zapp is underpowered unless the Banes have energy resist. On top of all that, the activation time for the Mu version of Zapp is about 1.5x to 2x as long as the blaster version. This needs to be fixed since all the info given about the power in game is incorrect and misleading.

Of course, since I only use it on things that can see through stealth and for pulling, I got it for the range. *shrug*

Edit: I'm going to bug it in game in the morning.

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Things change on test w/o notice or notes sometimes, but last week, upon one round of testing, it appears that Banes resist Smashing to the tune of ~42-43%.

Bane do not resist Negative Energy and I will test Energy later today.

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I've even given up on chum spray

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Noooooooooooo

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Once I hit lvl 50 I'll determine which patron powers to keep and which to do without but for now, I sorta wish I didn't push myself to level this fast.

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Watching you level so fast was very exhausting for me.
Thanks though for providing us with great data and information!

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Reference for Brutes..
Gloom
* Unenhanced damage @ lvl 40: 44 (N. Energy, DoT)
* Foe -ACC
* Range: 80
* END: 11
* Recharge: 12 secs


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~ Brawl Damage ? Corruptor Gloom should be doing ~180 @ L40 and costs 8.5 Endurance. So 20% the damage and 130% the cost ? aka, Freaking Brawl damage and costs 11 endurance. What IS the point ?

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Do NOT use Brawl numbers here. They will be HORRIBLY wrong. Brawl Indicies DO NOT WORK for Patron OR Epic powers. See my post here.

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so i dont use brawl numbers. it still only does twice the dmg of my brawl. it's crap

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Yeah, Brutes "naturally" do 33% less damage on our ranged attacks when compared to our melee.

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I'm going on 4 hrs of sleep here, but isn't that near 5x Brawl (ranged comparison)?

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Reference for Brutes:

Mu Lightning
* Unenhanced damage @ lvl 40: 33 (Energy)
* Immobilize; -END
* Range: 40
* END: 13
* Recharge: 20 secs

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BI: 3.602

Again, the damage listed does not fit neatly into the dev's own damage scales. What's up with that? It may be a rounding issue I guess. Anyway, for an attack with a BI of 3.602, that endo use and recharge are way high.

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Yeah, I agree. 3.6667 would be more familiar.

FWIW, I have yet to see a rounded number in the combat log, so most likely any Cryptic listed damage number is rounded (up or down, I dunno). Numbers from someone with the power may help to narrow the sig figs.

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Reference for Brutes..
Gloom
* Unenhanced damage @ lvl 40: 44 (N. Energy, DoT)
* Foe -ACC
* Range: 80
* END: 11
* Recharge: 12 secs


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~ Brawl Damage ? Corruptor Gloom should be doing ~180 @ L40 and costs 8.5 Endurance. So 20% the damage and 130% the cost ? aka, Freaking Brawl damage and costs 11 endurance. What IS the point ?

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Do NOT use Brawl numbers here. They will be HORRIBLY wrong. Brawl Indicies DO NOT WORK for Patron OR Epic powers. See my post here.

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so i dont use brawl numbers. it still only does twice the dmg of my brawl. it's crap

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Yeah, Brutes "naturally" do 33% less damage on our ranged attacks when compared to our melee.

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as per usual i'm starting to have second thoughts about my previous comments, but I'll hold my judgement till i've slotted it with atleast 1 acc and 3 dam.

That recharge is a definate put off to the pet powers though. I hope the feedback we provide promotes a positive change in this PPP.

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Hey...didn't ask ya in-game, but can you "slide" him inspirations?

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Agreed, this is BY FAR the best thread for testing of the PPPs.

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Thanks! We have a strong devotion to duty here.

Awesome, Cos!
Now will you get some sleep?

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you gonna make a new planner that shows damage at lvl 40 for each power in each AT or something? that'd be cool

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Yeah, the idea is for anyone to be able to determine accurate damage at any level, for any power once this work is done. Apparently, ShreikSilver (I think I'm misspelling that) is already onboard with a willingness to retool his planner based upon this new system.

My small role (many others are helping) is just to help gather data. But yes, any planner based upon this new system should be very cool and extremely helpful to all.

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Anyone else not able to get in the first mission for captain mako???

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FWIW, from the broadcast log and other forums, the problem seems to be global and not just Mako. Bug it each time, unless it's noted as a known issue.

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Well I dont really know any good testing methods, so if you guys have any suggestions, ill try itand post my results here.

Anyway, i took this power out for a test drive in RV, and... not too helpfull lol. It seems that any hero who has any kind of mez protection is completly unaffected by it except for the low dmg it does, but when its not knocking them around it just sits on them and turns into a steady DoT, only like 2-4 dmg per tick though.

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Actually, what is your primary? I couldn't tell from the screen shots.
I'd like to get numbers on your entire primary, if possible.

I'll save you the long explanation (it deals with a new system of determining damage and such, that is MUCH more accurate than BI numbers. The links below are for the long explanation).

Soooo....if you have the time, go to Mercy and attack any minon baddies you want, but ensure they are the same level 1, 2 or 4...it doesnt matter, just choose a level and stick with it.

Attack with brawl and all of your primaries.
Do not use any buffs.

Note...
-your level
-baddies level (again should be the same for each test)
-attack used
-whether that attack is classified as 'range' or 'melee'
-damage per attack (from your combat log, decimal point and all)
-and your total damage enhancement percentage from each attack (go to the "manage" [enhancements] screen and roll your mouse over each power to get this number. again, decimal point and all).

I don't think "scourge" occurs on one-shots, but if it does then please re-test that particular attack until it doesn't.

All of this will give you/me a nice baseline.
PM this info to me and I will do all of the math for you and will post the Mako numbers here, and post your primary numbers here (Power Data Standardization [data]).
The system behind the link above is explained here Power Data Standardization [what is it?].

For everyone...this effort will greatly help the community at-large and it really only takes 10-15 minutes to get to Mercy, test and record the numbers.
Note: For Brutes wishing to participate, ensure that fury is ZERO when you test each attack.


Folks are doing this because the Brawl Index as it exists on paper and in the hero/villain planners 1) doesn't differentiate between melee and ranged attacks, 2) nor does it account for the same power across different ATs.

Thanks!

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Well here is the info on Shark Skin
Self Toggle
Effect - Self +Res (Smashing, Leathal, Cold) *All 20% base restiance*
Recharge - 4 Seconds
Activation - .67 Seconds
End Cost - 1/Second

And here are the pics.
Shark Skin Off - Shark Skin On

As you can see it is sort of like Temp Invulnerability but with a blue glow. As for the lightning bolt type symbol it pulses in and out. Personally I love it.

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So that's about 32% with 3 even SOs.
Sounds good, but in exploring GV yesterday I saw Crey Tanks, more Commandos, CoT and there will be LBs in missions, I assume. That's a lot of Energy, Negative Energy and Fire.
Point being, I think either Energy or Fire should be included.

I don't know of many cold damaging baddies, although I assume that when the underwater zone comes online, there will be.
Nevertheless, the first wave of 40s running up to 50, probably won't be able to fully leverage 32% cold RES, assuming most will hit 50 before I8 hits the production servers.

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If you don't fail, after McKnight, he gives you another arc, starting with "Defeating Circle Guardians" or something.

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I didn't fail.
Defeated McCraneKick and Mako had nothing for me, and won't until 45.

Maybe b/c I beat McCraneKick so convincingly that I've proven myself beyond all doubt.

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Devs I know I'm asking for a bit much but could Bile Spray have a secondary effect? Something like -def or -res.

PLEASE OH PLEASE DEVS! I'M ON MY KNEES!!!

*Begs for a REALLY long time*

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Heck yeah! -DEF would soooo lovely

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No you'll probably just see the Mako logo (the one on his statue) glowing on your chest or something. At least that's what it looked like in the I7 preview with a supposed Black Scorpion shield (the hourglass looking thing.)


Anyway, does anyone know if Captain Mako's first mission impacts your "path" in any way if you fail it or pass it? or does he give you the same set of missions regaurdless?

I failed it and I got a "get the file from longbow" mission after. Anybody else?

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I completed the first mission, and got the same mission. did you get "framed" after this?

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Well, if you complete the first timed mission, he won't "use" you for the other half of the arc you would have gotten. At least, according to IBM you won't, cause he didn't.

Assuming he's right, we'll get the same missions until after we fight McKnight and get the Bloodletter accolade. After that, we differ in paths. You would be told to come back at lvl 45, and I will be told to do some other stuff for him, and later to find out that he's only using me, in the end, kicking his asss for it, and thentelling me to come back at lvl 45.

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She gottblamit!!!!


...and I'm always right

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Test subject: Fortunata [Arachnos Minion]; Level 41 (-2)
Fury: None or extremely minimal
Enhancements: 2 accuracy 3 Power 1 recharge

Initial damage: 66.92 (log) / 67 (on screen)
DoT (per hit): 6.68 (log) / 7 (on screen) [4 DoT ticks total]

Total damage (log): 66.92 + (6.68*4) = 93.64
Total damage (screen): 67 + (7*4) = 95

Air Superiority [2 accuracy 2 recharge] - 60.77
Brawl [1 accuracy] - 22.92

Gonna go maul some low level enemies after test to show bigger numbers

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Awesome, Cos!
Too busy with work this week to keep up with ya.
Next week though...look out!

Those are some pretty good numbers, too!
With fury and a buff or two...
Will help with pulling SpecOps when soloing as well.

Definitely gonna pass on SoS come live and take SS instead.

My data is for Brutes, sorry for not making that clear.
My Corruptor is still a little young.

Test subject #2a: Fortunata [Arachnos minion]; Level 41 (even)
Fury: None or extremely minimal
Enhancements: Base slotted for accuracy

Initial damage: 3.48 (log) / 3 (on screen)
DoT (per hit): 2.58 (log) / 3 (on screen) [8 DoT ticks total]

Total damage (log): 3.48 + (2.58*8) = 24.12
Total damage (screen): 3 + (3*8) = 27

Brawl: 13.95
Shadow Punch: 24.77 Smash / 36.48 N. Energy
Smite: 19.01 Smash / 59.44 N. Energy

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The Sharks around the Feet is the DoT?

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Yes.
I would like to see them nibble at the toes, but...