Juggertha

Ah, so this didn't get deleted... just moved.

Odd... why won't they allow art in the server forums?

So, where ya been Graver - we missed ya.

It's all done in photoshop.

Here is the start to the colors.

I agree.... wow.

I'm guessing the "cross posting" might have been the issues too... but it's only a guess. Without a PM, that's all we can do.

So, is there to be absolutely no posting of art in those other forums?? Again, it goes back to the OP of supporting the Art Community.

Glad I found this out now.

First off, I want to say hello to Lighthouse , and thank you for making this thread. I really hope my PM did not catch you too off guard and if it sounded nasty in any way, I appologize (I sent off a PM very similar to the post I made yesterday). I can't tell you how happy it makes me to have someone from the red actually come here asking our opinions.

First off, I'd like to write about what sparked my rant. For years (well, at least over a year) I have noticed that this particular forum seems to operate under a type of /hush mode. That if we speak out too much, we just might lose what little freedom we have. Artists here have had PMs from Devs/Mods with warnings about agreement infractions and such.

Over the last few days I posted a picture (note: no nudity or anything wrong with it) in the Justice forums. The picture was of a Justice player and it got great feedback from those forums. It also got deleted three times (with no PM or explanation). I was shocked. Why oh why would a simple post showing a picture of a character on that server be deleted? There was no explanation, and no PM, just deletion.

I thought by posting that picture there I would 1) draw attention to that character and maybe someone would stroll up to him on the server and say "hey, I saw that pic of you!" 2) Get people to come on over to this forum - most people forget it exists. 3) Get some attention for my art (sure, I'm going to admit that I like it when people see my stuff). All that was turfed because some Mod went on a power trip. It's Modding like that that made me finally leave SWG.

/end rant #2

Ok, so what would I like to see?

Honestly, I think the folks above me have already said some great ideas. I would love to see a yearly contest to have works placed "in game" (can anyone else picture themselves walking by one of Dark Jedi's posters up on a billboard??) or something to that extent, but I'm not holding my breath. What I would like is simple - support. Instead of discouraging this community, I would like to see some support of it - and that needs to start with updating the Fan Art page. Anything more, would just be gravy.

Thanks again for listening, and thanks to all those on here that supported my speaking out.

-Juggy

Doh! I was wondering about that. Hmmm, ok, I can chage it.


(too bad, the girls look cute imo)

Thanks man. I hope to have some colors for you to look at tomorrow.

Okies, easy change. Thanks for pointing that out.

Um... do all of them look ok before i start coloring?

Ok, but they occasionally censure - that is my beef as well.

So.. it is BECAUSE this game is of such a cool genre that we can't have support for fanart? Man, why not give it a rest?

Seriously, if you cannot see any inconsistancies in their policy and enforecement, if you cannot see any difference in their level of support verses other companies/games, then we truly are looking at this from totally different perspectives.

/chuckles - no money to be made fomr fantasy art /rolls eyes

No, that is NOt what started the mess with Marvel in the first place (odd, because there were a lot of things named in the suit, and THAT was not it).

As for benifit, if you do not think that promoting player content in a MMO does not help the game, well man, what can I say. If that is your scope of vision, maybe you are on the same level as these guys.

Personally, I think that by promoting the art work, you promote tha game.. FOR FREE!!!

Yup, even in this day and age of internet and cyber chatting, there is still word of mouth. And as a poster said above, it speaks volumes with costomers... that is why NCSoft is not leading the pack... come to think of it, neither is CoH.

Hmmm, might htere be some connection? Personally, I like the game and the community, but is it too much to ask to suggest more?

Or in my case, is it too much to ask for a decent PM explaining why my posts are being deleted?

So, again I ask, why not do that on a regular basis? (pretty sure I said that in the OP)

Then why don't they take it all down? Why do they have Halloween costume contests? Would that not violate the "publicly perform" clause as well?

Seriously, quote the EULA all you want, but anyone who knows law will tell you, if you only enforce something half the time, you'll lose more than half your cases.

Yes it's there, but if you have inconsistant practices then you're leaving yourself open.

Why not just embrace it like so many other gaming companies have?

A little while ago Static Thunder made a thread asking us forum folks to draw up some pics for his son. Apparently his boy had created his own supergroup and wanted them on paper (or screen - I'm so confused these days).

Some great people stepped up and did some amazing stuff.

Here's my (about half way finished so far) version of X-Force

So, if said company says "ok, create all the fan art you want" all is ok? Why wouldn't cryptic do that then? Would it not be so much simpler?



Besides, they HAVE fan art up!! The yHAVE it and - at times - have supported it. My beef is, that it is only when THEY want it.

Yet the new <comic company name that shall not be said here> game that was just released actually put out a bulletin requesting fan art.

There's a way around it if a company so desires I gather.


/shrug

Ok, I have been thinking about this for some time now. I really enjoy this forum and have loved seeing it grow. I think in the last 6 months the surfers and posts have doubled. we've got a really nice community going now (IMHO). But I have to ask; why?

Other than the Cuppa-Fan Art that was posted a month back, the official site has forgotten about us. Other than when a new mod needs an avatar, we are neglected.

It all too often feels like this forum has to operate at a hush. That we have to wisper to each other about the great stuff that is happeneing in here. For some reason it feels like if there is too much joy in here, the parents will walk in and shut us down.

Ok, so maybe that vibe is just me - but I doubt it. What I have to ask is; why? Why doesn't CoH support fan art more? Why are there no contests? No official rewards? Why not set up a gallery and have others enjoy our work?

The truth is, I think a lot of us play this game because we want to play what we see in the comics (or for some, what they see in their heads). ART, is a BIG part of that.

I hope this is not deleted (as three of my previous posts have been over the last day) and I sincerly hope that an active discussion IN this forum ABOUT this forum will help the mods understand that this is a real issue.

That we are proud of our art, and we wish they were too.


-Juggy

Very interesting idea.

WOOT!!

Now it works.. and I LOVE it.

Thanks so much man.

Ok, here is hte basic outline I am going to use. Don't mind the missing hair, it'll be added during coloring.

Where are the pics!?!?!


/nudge

Yeah, that's what I kind of figured. The Art forums have their regulars, but there are lots who do not go there.

I figured some of you might recognize him from the server.