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Exactly. At least admit there is a weakness when it comes to end burn using SOs - but he won't even go that far.

...actually polls do count, as we had many responses that explained thoughts on the idea and set as a whole... and there was math to back it up.

If the resists are so uberomgwinnzorz then DR would be OP.

Yeah but I think that end cost is justified - keep on going and you will probably fix that issue too - maybe go for Body Mastery.

I haven't done anything but address end use. I suggested buffing resists so that DR isn't required as much, I've also been asked to poll the playerbase in regards to cutting end use + heal in half for DR and we got the results we wanted from that poll. It's always been about normalizing end use to other sets.

Actually for several pages all I've done is basically address the end use comparisons - that's it. It's been such an obvious weakness of the set for years that it is almost always the number one problem people complain about. How one can argue against it when speaking about SOs is beyond me. Other sets have weaknesses, so why argue against Dark's? It has always been about the use of endurance - that's all I've ever been trying to address. Arguing how a set is fantastic in comparison to others when using IOs to build around the main weakness isn't valid when we are speaking about a set as a whole, as you should always discuss it with using SOs in mind for the freebies, with no incarnate abilities to assist.

Ooh I like the SJ idea quite a bit - I may do that. I put the Hecatomb in Incinerate simply because it's my favorite power of the set and I can keep proccing with other stuff while it works it's magic. It comes up really fast anyway now. Yeah I went for Aegis since I can get all the major resists within 4 slots and no I never hurt for end - it's rare I ever use Consume which is why I never bothered with Perf Shifter procs or anything like that. That's also the reason I took all but the end mod for Consume since it's the last thing I need. I fully plan on getting the Armageddon triple anyway even if I don't do yet another respec for those ideas - I have the money but figured I would wait until I sell another purple so that I can keep my billionaire status haha.

EDIT: I did those things - changed those 3 to the Titanium piece, grabbed the Blessing kb io, and tossed another LOTG in Weave. I will probably just grab the Armageddon recipe once I get enough dough to still hover above a billion.

Thanks so much for your help so far!

Sweet, I get to repeat myself yet again:

because your entire argument was taking the first toggle on all sets and looking at those only, which is a pretty warped sense of logic.

Third time's the charm perhaps?

Without even going back, I even counter it with the quote you grabbed:

No, already disproved that, but maybe you missed it, because your entire argument was taking the first toggle on all sets and looking at those only, which is a pretty warped sense of logic.

I don't think that is fair really, since comparing what SA is with Granite vs running OG + CoF isn't even close.


I was addressing that scenario, and those are the two heals, so there really isn't anything else to compare it to that makes sense. Thankfully, that makes it a completely valid comparison at all levels.


True, I don't consider defeat from overall weakness of a set as a weapon or tool when doing comparisons. That's probably the big difference in opinion right there - maybe I am doing it wrong, and I should run in with the goal of dying in order to use Soul Transfer to stun enemies from now on - is that your secret to success? Invul has some end drain resist but since it already burns less than Dark, it doesn't need as much.


...and if it did, since it gives you far more HP than Dark, there would be an outcry due to imbalance, right?


Agreed, and they both have their weaknesses. For some reason, a few in this thread are blind to any DA weaknesses.


No, I just said if they raised the resists and kept the rest as-is, you would need to rely on DR less, and magically use less endurance because of it.

Yes, true.

...and now, let's see who runs out of end faster by hitting the heal when needed... yeah, again, DA will burn far more than SA.

Are you talking about Karmas? Man you must have hit them on a bad week. Sometimes I can get them for 100 grand.

It would be interesting to hear why you think Fear was removed. Also, blasters are forced to take an immobilize power which fixes the issue without going into pools.

Yeah, it's like that IO was designed with Dark Regen in mind!

Ok, there is no reason to run Acro if you slot CJ and Weave for kb protection, and I don't run Weave or Cloak at all. The real culprit is Dark Regen's end cost.

The problem with that argument is that it doesn't consider the reason why fear was removed from Burn in the first place. Everyone benefitted except Scrappers. The problem the Fear caused was never resolved for Scrappers at all.

Exactly. I am not saying it is unplayable, but a few in this thread seem to imply the weaknesses don't exist.

You already know how this is going to go, as Healing Flames costs far less than DR, Invul has auto armors and has a decent amount of defense so you use DP less often (and it costs less than DR,) Elec uses less end in Energize that gives an end discount on top of PS, all of them have less toggles than DA, sooooo again, manipulation like this gets tossed right out the window.

Thanks for giving me permission to reply at the end of your post, I guess.